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Hooray for non-equilibrium thermodynamics!

Done some measurements as requested.
But again didn't dare the 1.3V. (maybe tomorrow)
But i am pretty sure that with 1.3V the 450Mhz could be doable.
The stabilizing effect of voltage adjustment is obvious with this dataset.
Core Voltage can be adjusted in fine steps just like your GPU, not just 1.1/1.2/1.3 like planned before.
The Water cooler did not have the impact i had hoped for.
But the undervolting tests were encouraging.
See for yourself:

ambient: 25°C, water temperature 26°C
Chip Frequency - Chip surface temp, cgminer board-temp, Core voltage, power consumption, comments

Air cooling:
282 - 45.8, 40.5, 1.2, 46W, stable
340 - 50, 43, 1.2, 56W, stable
372 - 51.5, 45, 1.2, 61W, stable
390 - 52.5, 46, 1.2, 2% hw errors
390 - 53.3, 47.5, 1.25, 70W, stable
409 - 55, 48.5, 1.25, 2% errors
409 - 56.5, 51, 1.28, 77W, stable
434 - 57, 52, 1.28, 82W, 10% hw errors

Water cooling by Anfi-Tec:
282 - 40, 30, 1.016V, 33W, stable 170Mhash/watt undervolting
282 - 42, 30, 1.085V, 37W, stable
282 - 45, 30, 1.20V, 46W, stable stock 122Mhash/Watt
340 - 48, 30, 1.20V, 56W, stable
372 - 50, 30, 1.20V, 61W, stable
390 - 53, 30, 1.25V, 70W, stable
409 - 54, 30, 1.28V, 77W, stable
434 - 57, 31, 1.28V, 82W, 4% hw errors

Project status:
First batch of boards is in production so I can react immediately when the chips are shipped.
Website - almost ready to launch.


Wow, those are some seriously impressive numbers! Congratulations burnin, these are going to be some really impressive devices Grin. Hurry up Avalon!!!!!

Does anybody have a feeling for how overclocking might affect the longevity of the Avalon chips/board? I'd be really happy if my GPUs ran at 55 oC and would expect them to last for ages at that temp. However, I guess that they are engineered to withstand higher temps. Is there any reason why the Avalons would degrade quickly at these (relatively low) temps (I'm afraid that I'm no EE)?


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Now the question is whether Avalon will deliver the chip orders on time or not Smiley
they are already late.
For orders made in April, yes, a week or two behind '10 week delivery'. But I think Avalon did not place each  batch order immediately at the fab - 10000 chips can be produced on 3 wafers. They probably waited and made an order for bigger quantities. In latest 'newsletter update' they said chips are done, and shipping will start mid-July. So let's hope first batches will be here soon.
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Now the question is whether Avalon will deliver the chip orders on time or not Smiley



they are already late.
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I am going on vacation Friday to Monday and with my luck I can bet that's when the site will be opened for orders... :DDD

Now the question is whether Avalon will deliver the chip orders on time or not Smiley
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@burnin, these are promising measurements. did you try undervolting with aircooling too or are there specific reasons you didn't? Am I right guessing you just didn't wanted to rollback your setup to aircooling?

and..

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Project status:
First batch of boards is in production so I can react immediately when the chips are shipped.
Website - almost ready to launch.

great news, that's fantastic!!
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That's damn impressive, 409 MH/sec @ 56.5C, 1.28V, 3A dead on the money if you assume 100% efficiency (77W / 20 / 1.28V ) = 3.0078A.  2.7A with 90% efficiency, so probably around 2.6-2.7A in reality

Too bad about water cooling, but it looks like the limiting factor here isn't cooling, since the air cooling did almost equally as well.  The main thermal resistance is probably in the PCB.  Was that with forced airflow on the heatsink?
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Fyi, the K16's of BkkCoins are finished. Looking eagerly to see Bitburners get into production

I hope some overclocking tests are done too. And i would like if burnin could make a overclocking test with watercooling so one could check if its worth.

Done some measurements as requested.
But again didn't dare the 1.3V. (maybe tomorrow)
But i am pretty sure that with 1.3V the 450Mhz could be doable.
The stabilizing effect of voltage adjustment is obvious with this dataset.
Core Voltage can be adjusted in fine steps just like your GPU, not just 1.1/1.2/1.3 like planned before.
The Water cooler did not have the impact i had hoped for.
But the undervolting tests were encouraging.
See for yourself:

ambient: 25°C, water temperature 26°C
Chip Frequency - Chip surface temp, cgminer board-temp, Core voltage, power consumption, comments

Air cooling:
282 - 45.8, 40.5, 1.2, 46W, stable
340 - 50, 43, 1.2, 56W, stable
372 - 51.5, 45, 1.2, 61W, stable
390 - 52.5, 46, 1.2, 2% hw errors
390 - 53.3, 47.5, 1.25, 70W, stable
409 - 55, 48.5, 1.25, 2% errors
409 - 56.5, 51, 1.28, 77W, stable
434 - 57, 52, 1.28, 82W, 10% hw errors

Water cooling by Anfi-Tec:
282 - 40, 30, 1.016V, 33W, stable 170Mhash/watt undervolting
282 - 42, 30, 1.085V, 37W, stable
282 - 45, 30, 1.20V, 46W, stable stock 122Mhash/Watt
340 - 48, 30, 1.20V, 56W, stable
372 - 50, 30, 1.20V, 61W, stable
390 - 53, 30, 1.25V, 70W, stable
409 - 54, 30, 1.28V, 77W, stable
434 - 57, 31, 1.28V, 82W, 4% hw errors

Project status:
First batch of boards is in production so I can react immediately when the chips are shipped.
Website - almost ready to launch.
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Eros:
If you want to 11 000 Gh then use BitFury device, electricity company will thank you.
Also i am sure that if you will order 40000 avalon chips and pay to burnin $200000 plus delivery then you will get on your plate everything you want.

Yes, but I think order only ~10pcs bare pcb. And like to get ethernet version, but I have also junk computers with usb if ethernet are not availabe.
 10000pcs avalons need ~30kw. Over 50A three phase 400volt mains are needed. 40000pcs avalos needs so big mains that only rare places have it. And I don't have 40000pcs avalons and no ideas how to get them in my hand Wink
 btw 200000$ is not enough for 40000pcs if follow burning list price but maybe he can give some bulk price..

bitfury standard size is 400Ghash. I'll like to get them say few containers but lack some 10⁶ euros..
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Vice versa is not a meal.
Fyi, the K16's of BkkCoins are finished. Looking eagerly to see Bitburners get into production

Finished ? Did you read the Thread entirely ?
The only thing i read there is that they are currently not able to get higher than 250 - 300 mhz without having a lots of Hardware errors.
Nothing is finished there in my point of view.
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Fyi, the K16's of BkkCoins are finished. Looking eagerly to see Bitburners get into production

I hope some overclocking tests are done too. And i would like if burnin could make a overclocking test with watercooling so one could check if its worth.

Actually i think that's exactly what he is doing now. I feel/hope that an update will come very soon.
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Fyi, the K16's of BkkCoins are finished. Looking eagerly to see Bitburners get into production

I hope some overclocking tests are done too. And i would like if burnin could make a overclocking test with watercooling so one could check if its worth.
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Fyi, the K16's of BkkCoins are finished. Looking eagerly to see Bitburners get into production
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How do you come to $420? Insurance of some kind?

Check out this website: http://www.posttip.de/ Its for shipment from germany to other countries and to calculate the options available.
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..yeah
Are you going to use DHL Express within germany the same day the unit gets assembled? maybe overnight express? Otherwise I'm tempted to take a trip of 1300km..
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I see that you are shipping with DHL. I am trying to calculate the shipping cost to the US. I entered about 4 Kg for my 7 or eight boards and parts to the USA. The total was around $420 USD. I was looking at the DHL import express service.

I am assuming you will have setup a bulk discount rate with DHL. What type of shipping cost and time do you anticipate? some people have claimed their regular mail service can be 2-4 weeks shipping time, which would kill potential profits. 
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Vice versa is not a meal.
Im do some planning on how to arrange my cooling and i need some further details.

Could you tell me the exact dimensions of the Product itself and the size of the aluminium heatsink ?

Aslo: Which connector can i use to connect each board ? How long can this connector be ?
I would probably need a cable length of 20 - 40 cm depending on how the boards are stored.


btw: are there any news burnin about the watercooled device bitburner : ) ?
Please tell us its fucking unbelievable awesome and can be extremely overclocked : }!
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I have 40 chips ordered, so there will only be 2 Bitburner XX for me.
A watercooling setup would be a very small one, seems like this doesnt make sense.

Will I be able to cool them by air well enough for OC or is watercooling required then?
Any idea yet?

These are only $110 and you should be able to fit 3 boards on it. Simple solution for those with only a few boards.

Looks like a good, simple solution.  I only have 4 boards myself so I'm def. after something like this as well.

They make longer versions as well. Don't know what the best price per inch/mm is though.
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I have 40 chips ordered, so there will only be 2 Bitburner XX for me.
A watercooling setup would be a very small one, seems like this doesnt make sense.

Will I be able to cool them by air well enough for OC or is watercooling required then?
Any idea yet?

These are only $110 and you should be able to fit 3 boards on it. Simple solution for those with only a few boards.

Looks like a good, simple solution.  I only have 4 boards myself so I'm def. after something like this as well.
sr. member
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I have 40 chips ordered, so there will only be 2 Bitburner XX for me.
A watercooling setup would be a very small one, seems like this doesnt make sense.

Will I be able to cool them by air well enough for OC or is watercooling required then?
Any idea yet?

These are only $110 and you should be able to fit 3 boards on it. Simple solution for those with only a few boards.
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RISE WITH RAYS FOR THE FUTURE
Also, i dont believe it to be interesting to reinvent the wheel. Raspberry Pi is a perfectly cheap solution for running CGminer from out of. It will be much more expensive to have this on each and every board..

Ethernet mac chip for pic32mx7xx cost ~0.99$ (in reel), rj45 socket less 0.5$, some xtal, res, caps etc and ~2cm² PCB area. Say total max 4$. RJ45 socket can leave unpopulated so customer can solder it if need. Other parts pnp machine lay board <0.1s.

One board can act master and chain other 16.
I see raspi ~50$ vs. ~4$ (plus onetime code/firmware generation = port cgminer to mips and some micro tcp stack).

If burning boards are done say 2000pcs and every 16 needs raspi -> 125 x 45$=5600$. I can't say is it enough to modify board now. Atleast it reduce one board + wires when suitable firmware are done.

I see it good option, not reinvent wheel.
A raspberry pi is $25. and its a fully fledged computer running on archlinux, you connect your chain of Bitburners to the USB port, and cgminer on the PI does the work for you.
Where would cgminer be running in your option?
I definetly see it as an option, just not a necessary one for me at all. Especially, when he starts shipping, the difficulty will be way up, and second generation chips would already be taking orders.
Keep it simple!
Driksson:
Raspberry pi is 25$ only for A model without ethernet. 45$ is with delivery.
Delivery will be split between 125 raspies but still.
If you are answering message-read it first(about cgminer porting to one master plate with ethernet)

Eros:
If you want to 11 000 Gh then use BitFury device, electricity company will thank you.
Also i am sure that if you will order 40000 avalon chips and pay to burnin $200000 plus delivery then you will get on your plate everything you want.
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