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Sukki

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Quote from: AMD FTW on July 09, 2013, 01:17:34 PM

It would probably be smart of Burnin to only accept either BTC or LTC. Reason being is paypal could always be reversed and I'd hate to see him get screwed by one shady person. This is why cryptocurrency is so great. Once a vendor/person has established they're trustworthy, they don't have to worry about a chargeback for numerous reasons from shady customers.

Why? I am from Germany too and when he needs the money, he gets it from 1 day to another per banktransfer.
I dont need paypal for that.

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Quote from: Sophokles on July 09, 2013, 02:16:16 PM

Do you have an idea what causes the extra power consumption?

When chip gets hot it starts consuming more at the same frequency and voltage. Semiconductor basics.

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Quote from: burnin on July 08, 2013, 09:44:58 PM

And i have some more overclocking figures for you guys.
Note: I expect that future versions will be more stable due to a few changes.
341 Mhz 1.2V 57.5W - passed long term tests with 0.2% hw-errors.
409 Mhz 1.2V 68.04W - hw-errors increase to 3%
448 Mhz 1.2V 74.4W - not stable
448 Mhz 1.25V 81.6W - unstable 50% hw-errors
448 Mhz 1.28V 84.016W - unstable 50% hw-errors

Great job! Thanks for the numbers. The power draw when overclocking is higher than I expected. With fixed voltage, I would assume the power draw increases linearly with clock rate.

So calculating with [email protected]: 40W, that would be:
calculated measured
clock/MHz P/W P/W
282 40
341 48.4 57.5
409 58.0 68.0
448 63.5 74.4

Do you have an idea what causes the extra power consumption?

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Quote from: AMD FTW on July 09, 2013, 01:17:34 PM

It would probably be smart of Burnin to only accept either BTC or LTC. Reason being is paypal could always be reversed and I'd hate to see him get screwed by one shady person. This is why cryptocurrency is so great. Once a vendor/person has established they're trustworthy, they don't have to worry about a chargeback for numerous reasons from shady customers.

Some people (like me) have difficulty getting enough fiat quickly into bitcoins for the size of their order. Google checkout might be a good solution as they aren't very shady like paypal.

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Quote from: burnin on July 08, 2013, 09:44:58 PM

And i have some more overclocking figures for you guys.
Note: I expect that future versions will be more stable due to a few changes.
341 Mhz 1.2V 57.5W - passed long term tests with 0.2% hw-errors.
409 Mhz 1.2V 68.04W - hw-errors increase to 3%
448 Mhz 1.2V 74.4W - not stable
448 Mhz 1.25V 81.6W - unstable 50% hw-errors
448 Mhz 1.28V 84.016W - unstable 50% hw-errors

Burnin when you say "future versions", are you referring to the hardware or software?

I personally could wait for revised hardware that could run at a stable 448Mhz.

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It would probably be smart of Burnin to only accept either BTC or LTC. Reason being is paypal could always be reversed and I'd hate to see him get screwed by one shady person. This is why cryptocurrency is so great. Once a vendor/person has established they're trustworthy, they don't have to worry about a chargeback for numerous reasons from shady customers.

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Quote from: dani on July 09, 2013, 10:28:38 AM

Quote from: nemercry on July 09, 2013, 10:18:59 AM

Quote from: CumpsD on July 09, 2013, 10:10:36 AM

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Another option is also to just base the position in queue by order time, and not payment.

If your position is reached, and payment hasn't arrived yet, it's simply on hold. If it has arrived, it goes through.

Good idea, the best so far. +1

+10

+1

Sophokles

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burnin,
look how desperate people are in figuring out how to throw wads of cash at you the quickest possible way! Wink

You can be proud of your product!

(will order quite a few myself, already have the btc ready Grin

)

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..yeah

Quote from: nemercry on July 09, 2013, 10:18:59 AM

Quote from: CumpsD on July 09, 2013, 10:10:36 AM

...
Another option is also to just base the position in queue by order time, and not payment.

If your position is reached, and payment hasn't arrived yet, it's simply on hold. If it has arrived, it goes through.

Good idea, the best so far. +1

+10

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Vice versa is not a meal.

Quote from: CumpsD on July 09, 2013, 10:10:36 AM

...
Another option is also to just base the position in queue by order time, and not payment.

If your position is reached, and payment hasn't arrived yet, it's simply on hold. If it has arrived, it goes through.

Good idea, the best so far. +1

Sukki

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Hey burnin, i would like to shake your hands personally Grin

.

Is there a option to drive to Hamburg for pickup the miners and pay them?

But i think u need the money before u build it, right?

Well i can garantee you, you will get your money for 100% :-) .

And u have allready the chips, which are payed, so there would be no risk anyway Wink

Regards Sukki

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Quote from: krasnolud on July 09, 2013, 10:06:38 AM

Quote from: CumpsD on July 09, 2013, 10:04:34 AM

I wouldn't mind regular EU bank transfer, I mean, that's how all my business (and personal) things are payed for. Doesn't cost anything anyway inside EU

But takes time.
And the order of assembly is going to be based on payments order.

If burnin offers it as an option, next to BTC, you still have a choice, and you can decide for yourself.

Also, by law it may only take 1 day for a SEPA wire transfer to arrive.

I don't see the argument, it's not like it's an "or or" choice. Burnin can offer multiple options, each having its advantage/disadvantage

BTC: quick, but would require for some people to convert fiat -> BTC beforehand anyway
SEPA: slower, but uses regular fiat circuit, with easy invoicing

Another option is also to just base the position in queue by order time, and not payment.

If your position is reached, and payment hasn't arrived yet, it's simply on hold. If it has arrived, it goes through.

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Vice versa is not a meal.

Quote from: CumpsD on July 09, 2013, 10:04:34 AM

Quote from: Schrankwand on July 09, 2013, 09:24:05 AM

Quote from: nemercry on July 09, 2013, 09:14:39 AM

I agree with other peoples, stating not to accept paypal.
If most of the transactions are processed by paypal you could run into liquidity problems if paypal seizes your account.
Even if you do have a good lawyer it could take months to get your account unfrozen.
Check out Danis proposal, it should be a more accurate and safer option.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2688244

Except that all customers need to in fact allow Sofort Bank to take a full look at your account history the moment you enter your details. It is a great working, but from privacy point of view insane system.

I wouldn't mind regular EU bank transfer, I mean, that's how all my business (and personal) things are payed for. Doesn't cost anything anyway inside EU

There is no need to make the Moneytransfer faster than 3 to 5 days due to the reason that the chips are not shipped yet.

Why isnt it aligned with the ordering Queue ? We could give payments an one week time window in which the Orderqueue counts ?

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I would prefer to send paypal as well. Most of the people having issues with paypal are doing things against the tos. I don't see any reason he would have any issues. Maybe google checkout instead?

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Quote from: CumpsD on July 09, 2013, 10:04:34 AM

I wouldn't mind regular EU bank transfer, I mean, that's how all my business (and personal) things are payed for. Doesn't cost anything anyway inside EU

But takes time.
And the order of assembly is going to be based on payments order.

CumpsD

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Quote from: Schrankwand on July 09, 2013, 09:24:05 AM

Quote from: nemercry on July 09, 2013, 09:14:39 AM

I agree with other peoples, stating not to accept paypal.
If most of the transactions are processed by paypal you could run into liquidity problems if paypal seizes your account.
Even if you do have a good lawyer it could take months to get your account unfrozen.
Check out Danis proposal, it should be a more accurate and safer option.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2688244

Except that all customers need to in fact allow Sofort Bank to take a full look at your account history the moment you enter your details. It is a great working, but from privacy point of view insane system.

I wouldn't mind regular EU bank transfer, I mean, that's how all my business (and personal) things are payed for. Doesn't cost anything anyway inside EU

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Quote from: krasnolud on July 09, 2013, 09:25:02 AM

From consumer point of view, PayPal is good.

It is... but if the assembler gets in trouble it will affect customers too.

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From consumer point of view, PayPal is good.

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Quote from: nemercry on July 09, 2013, 09:14:39 AM

I agree with other peoples, stating not to accept paypal.
If most of the transactions are processed by paypal you could run into liquidity problems if paypal seizes your account.
Even if you do have a good lawyer it could take months to get your account unfrozen.
Check out Danis proposal, it should be a more accurate and safer option.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2688244

Except that all customers need to in fact allow Sofort Bank to take a full look at your account history the moment you enter your details. It is a great working, but from privacy point of view insane system.

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Quote from: nemercry on July 09, 2013, 09:14:39 AM

I agree with other peoples, stating not to accept paypal.
If most of the transactions are processed by paypal you could run into liquidity problems if paypal seizes your account.
Even if you do have a good lawyer it could take months to get your account unfrozen.
Check out Danis proposal, it should be a more accurate and safer option.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2688244

I've used sofort once, I was impressed how well it was integrated with my bank!

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