[Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service - page 39.

jlsminingcorp

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Hooray for non-equilibrium thermodynamics!

Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 03:46:14 PM

Quote from: jlsminingcorp on September 15, 2013, 03:39:32 PM

Burnin bitfury board + chips + heatsink + postage + VAT (> 40 GH/s) = 895.40 Euro = 9.95 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.02 GH/s/BTC
H-boards + VAT + postage (25GH/s) = 483.6 Euro = 5.37 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.66 GH/s/BTC

I'm assuming the worst case scenario on burnin's bitfury boards (40 GH/s) as nothing significantly higher has been demonstrated publicly yet. I think if anybody can OC these things to the max then burnin can, but without evidence we can't take this into account when comparing products.

Don't you need an M-board in order to use the H-board?

Yes, you do indeed (unless you're a hardcore hacker and can whip up your own Wink

). We have an M-board coming in October, so this is the calculation that matters for us. Obviously this wouldn't be the case for everybody, but cryptx jumped on my comment so quickly I felt it important to reply.

cerebellum

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Quote from: burnin on August 29, 2013, 08:46:09 PM

More details on the refunds:
Shipping - 100%
VAT - will be calculated and refunded partially
Power supplies - 100%
BitBurner Boards - 50%
Stacking Cables - 50%

New thread for BitFury related questions: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283992.new#new

Does this still hold up, or did burnin decide to go back on his word and take the entire order as the calculation basis?

The wording from the cryptx newsletter sounds a lot like this is the case.

Quote

50% Refund of your entire order by mid-October

RicRock

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So a NanoFury USB stick appears to be a better deal for US anyway.

0.4BTC for 2 gh/s = 0.2 BTC/Gh/s = 5 GH/s/BTC

or is my math wrong?

RoadStress

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Quote from: jlsminingcorp on September 15, 2013, 03:39:32 PM

Burnin bitfury board + chips + heatsink + postage + VAT (> 40 GH/s) = 895.40 Euro = 9.95 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.02 GH/s/BTC
H-boards + VAT + postage (25GH/s) = 483.6 Euro = 5.37 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.66 GH/s/BTC

I'm assuming the worst case scenario on burnin's bitfury boards (40 GH/s) as nothing significantly higher has been demonstrated publicly yet. I think if anybody can OC these things to the max then burnin can, but without evidence we can't take this into account when comparing products.

Don't you need an M-board in order to use the H-board?

jlsminingcorp

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Hooray for non-equilibrium thermodynamics!

Quote from: cryptx on September 15, 2013, 03:29:22 PM

Quote from: jlsminingcorp on September 15, 2013, 03:18:30 PM

It makes more sense to keep buying H-boards from bitfurystrikesback (unless burnin can really get 80 GH/s out of these).

The cheapest option at Bitfurystrikesback is 6500€ for 400 GH/s

We offer 512 Gh/s for 5499€

Burnin bitfury board + chips + heatsink + postage + VAT (> 40 GH/s) = 895.40 Euro = 9.95 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.02 GH/s/BTC
H-boards + VAT + postage (25GH/s) = 483.6 Euro = 5.37 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.66 GH/s/BTC

I'm assuming the worst case scenario on burnin's bitfury boards (40 GH/s) as nothing significantly higher has been demonstrated publicly yet. I think if anybody can OC these things to the max then burnin can, but without evidence we can't take this into account when comparing products.

RoadStress

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Quote from: cryptx on September 15, 2013, 03:29:22 PM

Quote from: jlsminingcorp on September 15, 2013, 03:18:30 PM

It makes more sense to keep buying H-boards from bitfurystrikesback (unless burnin can really get 80 GH/s out of these).

The cheapest option at Bitfurystrikesback is 6500€ for 400 GH/s

We offer 512 Gh/s for 5499€

I don't want to be rude but instead of advertising your boards maybe you wish to respond to questions on your dedicated thread. Thank you.

shapemaker

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I run Linux on my abacus.

Quote from: cryptx on September 15, 2013, 03:29:22 PM

Quote from: jlsminingcorp on September 15, 2013, 03:18:30 PM

It makes more sense to keep buying H-boards from bitfurystrikesback (unless burnin can really get 80 GH/s out of these).

The cheapest option at Bitfurystrikesback is 6500€ for 400 GH/s

We offer 512 Gh/s for 5499€

Where is proof of this? Is that hash speed guaranteed? Do you include extra boards in the deal if the unit you deliver hashes at less than 512, like punin does?

edit: You don't offer that speed at your site, you offer 320 GH/s – 640 GH/s. Where is the guarantee that the unit hashes at 512 at least?

edit 2: If your unit actually hashes at only 320, the Bitfurystrikesback unit is _better_ than this deal. 320/400 = 0,8. 0,8 x 6500 = 5200.

shapemaker

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 03:14:21 PM

Quote from: shapemaker on September 15, 2013, 02:52:35 PM

Maybe that's what they're counting on. Squeeze just so much as to make most people think "oh well, this loss is easier to swallow than going to the courts".

First 30% loss at least, now overpriced boards...

Yes but i find that a very very bad decision from a business point of view. He will have less new clients and old clients will buy the minimum that they can so they will sell just a few boards instead of selling in bigger numbers.

Looks like greed took over. Besides, burnin hasn't said a thing about these new developments even though he's been reading the forum.

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I don't think that we should be too hard on burnin for this. If you use a distributor then they will want to take their cut, which may be the problem here.

There is "reasonable cut", and then there is this. 200 euros per board? ROFL.

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where is the proof (demonstrated ) they mention on the site and we need to be convinced more as to how much hashing can be squeazed out of the bitburner fury boards, i mean how likely is 80ghs really? if it can be pulled off that would make it bearable.

Even with 80 Ghash/s ROI is iffy. At 64 it starts to look zero sum at best. At 40, it's always a loss. Better count on the pessimistic side...

Besides, there's no mention of overclocking versus warranty. Do we even _get_ a warranty?

Besides 2: the heatsink costs 10 euros extra per board...

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Quote from: jlsminingcorp on September 15, 2013, 03:18:30 PM

It makes more sense to keep buying H-boards from bitfurystrikesback (unless burnin can really get 80 GH/s out of these).

The cheapest option at Bitfurystrikesback is 6500€ for 400 GH/s

We offer 512 Gh/s for 5499€

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where is the proof (demonstrated ) they mention on the site and we need to be convinced more as to how much hashing can be squeazed out of the bitburner fury boards, i mean how likely is 80ghs really? if it can be pulled off that would make it bearable.

awaiting reply from cryptx.

jlsminingcorp

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Hooray for non-equilibrium thermodynamics!

I don't think that we should be too hard on burnin for this. If you use a distributor then they will want to take their cut, which may be the problem here.

Still, at nearly 900 Euros per board (including VAT and shipping) I'm definitely out. It makes more sense to keep buying H-boards from bitfurystrikesback (unless burnin can really get 80 GH/s out of these).

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Quote from: shapemaker on September 15, 2013, 02:52:35 PM

Maybe that's what they're counting on. Squeeze just so much as to make most people think "oh well, this loss is easier to swallow than going to the courts".

First 30% loss at least, now overpriced boards...

Yes but i find that a very very bad decision from a business point of view. He will have less new clients and old clients will buy the minimum that they can so they will sell just a few boards instead of selling in bigger numbers.

shapemaker

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:24:58 PM

Quote from: shapemaker on September 15, 2013, 02:16:13 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:09:40 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: Grinny on September 15, 2013, 01:18:26 PM

700 EUR is really hardcore...
hopefully those of us (including me) who requested a refund will get the 70%+X instead of 50%... would be really nice.
we'll see..

Yes, I also want 70% refund but I'm afraid all we can to get from cryptx is 50% (in mid october).
In truth I do not believe that 50% is the part that burnin lost from avalon orders.
I am totally disappointed.

You will get 70% if you ask for a voucher for a BitFury board. The 50% is only if you want cash.

Well, since they're price gouging on the new boards, I don't feel much loyalty towards burnin anymore. As I said, it's starting to look like it's time for courts and 100% refund...

I don't like it either. My take on this is buy 1-2 boards from the voucher money and get out of this mess. I'm not defending burnin but i think going in court for 400 EUR is a bit useless and it might take a while to solve it while keeping all your funds stuck. If you buy the minimum amount of boards with the voucher money you won't have money stuck and you won't have to spend lots of money in court. A lot less headache with minimum losses. Remember that BitSyncom is guilty for this mess, not burnin. He is just a collateral victim.

Maybe that's what they're counting on. Squeeze just so much as to make most people think "oh well, this loss is easier to swallow than going to the courts".

First 30% loss at least, now overpriced boards...

RoadStress

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Quote from: CumpsD on September 15, 2013, 02:28:56 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:26:04 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 02:16:23 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:09:40 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: Grinny on September 15, 2013, 01:18:26 PM

700 EUR is really hardcore...
hopefully those of us (including me) who requested a refund will get the 70%+X instead of 50%... would be really nice.
we'll see..

Yes, I also want 70% refund but I'm afraid all we can to get from cryptx is 50% (in mid october).
In truth I do not believe that 50% is the part that burnin lost from avalon orders.
I am totally disappointed.

You will get 70% if you ask for a voucher for a BitFury board. The 50% is only if you want cash.

But i dont want to buy this expensive boards with questionable ROI. Because i think realistic date to get this device in hands - november http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/05945f0b55

cryptx promissed first week of Octomber delivery, not November. He will receive chips on 20 September so it's doable.

I miss the adventure of burnin his post on designing the board. We didn't see any posts on the bitfury adventure Sad

True! I miss that too, but oh well times seem to change very fast in the bitcoin mining business considering just some months ago i was waiting for Avalon's posts.

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No, he isn't going to receive chips on the 20th.
The chips will be SHIPPED by punin on 21st, AND THAT IS IF EVERYTHING GOES FINE.
Then they need to be sent for assembly.
Then the assembled boards need to be sent to CryptX
Then eventually the assembled boards are going to be shipped to customers.
And THEN you will have them in your hands.
And you estimate all this happening in less than 10 days?
Wish you best of luck

But freel free to take the bet if you are confident.

Then, eventually, if ALL OF THE ABOVE PANS OUT and you get your board on 1st of October with the current trend of difficulty rising and KNC miner/Cointerra/Whoever else starting to ship devices your most OPTIMISTIC profit after break even is .5 BTC.

YES.
HALF BTC.
That would equate to less than 10% of your investment with you taking all the risk.
Gamblers be gamblin'

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Quote from: CumpsD on September 15, 2013, 02:28:56 PM

I miss the adventure of burnin his post on designing the board. We didn't see any posts on the bitfury adventure Sad

+1

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:26:04 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 02:16:23 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:09:40 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: Grinny on September 15, 2013, 01:18:26 PM

700 EUR is really hardcore...
hopefully those of us (including me) who requested a refund will get the 70%+X instead of 50%... would be really nice.
we'll see..

Yes, I also want 70% refund but I'm afraid all we can to get from cryptx is 50% (in mid october).
In truth I do not believe that 50% is the part that burnin lost from avalon orders.
I am totally disappointed.

You will get 70% if you ask for a voucher for a BitFury board. The 50% is only if you want cash.

But i dont want to buy this expensive boards with questionable ROI. Because i think realistic date to get this device in hands - november http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/05945f0b55

cryptx promissed first week of Octomber delivery, not November. He will receive chips on 20 September so it's doable.

I miss the adventure of burnin his post on designing the board. We didn't see any posts on the bitfury adventure Sad

RoadStress

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Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 02:16:23 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:09:40 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: Grinny on September 15, 2013, 01:18:26 PM

700 EUR is really hardcore...
hopefully those of us (including me) who requested a refund will get the 70%+X instead of 50%... would be really nice.
we'll see..

Yes, I also want 70% refund but I'm afraid all we can to get from cryptx is 50% (in mid october).
In truth I do not believe that 50% is the part that burnin lost from avalon orders.
I am totally disappointed.

You will get 70% if you ask for a voucher for a BitFury board. The 50% is only if you want cash.

But i dont want to buy this expensive boards with questionable ROI. Because i think realistic date to get this device in hands - november http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/05945f0b55

cryptx promissed first week of Octomber delivery, not November. He will receive chips on 20 September so it's doable.

RoadStress

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Quote from: shapemaker on September 15, 2013, 02:16:13 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:09:40 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: Grinny on September 15, 2013, 01:18:26 PM

700 EUR is really hardcore...
hopefully those of us (including me) who requested a refund will get the 70%+X instead of 50%... would be really nice.
we'll see..

Yes, I also want 70% refund but I'm afraid all we can to get from cryptx is 50% (in mid october).
In truth I do not believe that 50% is the part that burnin lost from avalon orders.
I am totally disappointed.

You will get 70% if you ask for a voucher for a BitFury board. The 50% is only if you want cash.

Well, since they're price gouging on the new boards, I don't feel much loyalty towards burnin anymore. As I said, it's starting to look like it's time for courts and 100% refund...

I don't like it either. My take on this is buy 1-2 boards from the voucher money and get out of this mess. I'm not defending burnin but i think going in court for 400 EUR is a bit useless and it might take a while to solve it while keeping all your funds stuck. If you buy the minimum amount of boards with the voucher money you won't have money stuck and you won't have to spend lots of money in court. A lot less headache with minimum losses. Remember that BitSyncom is guilty for this mess, not burnin. He is just a collateral victim.

blo

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 15, 2013, 02:09:40 PM

Quote from: blo on September 15, 2013, 01:35:03 PM

Quote from: Grinny on September 15, 2013, 01:18:26 PM

700 EUR is really hardcore...
hopefully those of us (including me) who requested a refund will get the 70%+X instead of 50%... would be really nice.
we'll see..

Yes, I also want 70% refund but I'm afraid all we can to get from cryptx is 50% (in mid october).
In truth I do not believe that 50% is the part that burnin lost from avalon orders.
I am totally disappointed.

You will get 70% if you ask for a voucher for a BitFury board. The 50% is only if you want cash.

But i dont want to buy this expensive boards with questionable ROI. Because i think realistic date to get this device in hands - november http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/05945f0b55

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