[Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service - page 75.

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Update again.
I've added to the cgminer API the ability to change the Core Volts and Frequency whenever you like
So basically java API "ascset|0,mv,1280" will set the first ASIC to 1280mV
and java API "ascset|0,freq,400" will set the frequency to 400Mhz and adjust the timeout to the required value
(for 400 it is 31)

So basically the same as when you start cgminer, but you can now change it on the fly.
Default limits are 1000-1310 - I've no idea if 1310 will kill it - but if you feel the urge to go higher than 1310 you'll have to edit the constant and recompile
Frequency limit is the same as before 256-450

I've run an almost 13hr run at 400Mhz and got:

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cgminer version ****** - Started: [2013-08-08 02:25:35]
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(5s):7.590G (avg):7.774Gh/s | A:81228 R:409 HW:1183 WU:110.1/m
ST: 2 SS: 25 NB: 101 LW: 95546 GF: 1 RF: 0
Connected to au.ozco.in diff 8 with stratum as user ***
Block: 0048594bd9a0cb3e... Diff:37.4M Started: [14:58:34] Best share: 42.8K
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[P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
BTB 0: 46/ 46C 1221mV | 7.558G/7.774Gh/s | A:81228 R:408 HW:1183 WU:110.1/m
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[2013-08-08 15:05:16] Accepted 051dac50 Diff 50/8 BTB 0 pool 0

So, much closer to the maximum 8GH/s at 400Mhz with the latest firmware
WU:110.1 = 7.88GH/s
Error rate is 1.4%

I did try 450MHz for a short while before I started this long run and got about 50% errors.
Also I set the voltage to 1280 and it didn't blow up but I changed it back straight away

The temp of 46C+ seems to be the relevant number determining the error rate
I'll do some voltage/MHz adjustments later to see if I can speed things up (without destroying it or getting too many errors)

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Quote from: northcape on August 07, 2013, 11:10:44 AM

What parts are holding back the shipping time for the batch 1 boards?
The rumours of an impending a 2.1 million chip deployment make me wonder if I’ll even make ROI with my batch 1 boards. Roll Eyes

Batch 1 was held back by a missing component but is now complete and i will start shipping tomorow.

Now to the whole Refund issue:
My official Refund policy as stated by the TOS on my website is:

Products that are individually manufactured for you like the BitBurners, can't be canceled or refunded after the order was paid.

Explanation:
I have to order a lot of material far in advance and most of it CANNOT BE RETURNED OR REFUNDED in case its not needed.
Once an Order is paid i immediately make sure the materials needed for it are in stock or buy them if not.
By placing your order and paying it you made me buy material thus you are responsible for the financial loss that happens if you cancel that order.

That being said, i am a nice and fair guy, i do refunds, within my financial bounds.
A refund means a canceled order.

Asic chip delivery issues:
I don't have more information then you guys, probably less because i don't have the time to read all threads in here.
Maybe the high demand exceeded the production capability of TSMC in that particular process node/foundry and that is causing the long backlog.
That would by my guess.

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Quote from: warhawk187 on August 07, 2013, 06:12:28 PM

Has anyone considered actually contacting the foundry where these chips are being made? Maybe TSMC has people that can possibly have more answers. Avalon is definitely pulling a BFL and costing the lot of us a lot of money for each day our chips are late while the difficulty continues to climb 25% every month.

Quote from: bitcoiner49er on August 07, 2013, 07:46:20 AM

I tried to see if there was anyone at TSMC that could at least confirm a completed order. (Yes I embellished, but as a whole the community did make a substantial investment, so representing it, I am not far off.)

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I am not aware of bitsyn as a customer of tsmc. It may be one of the many start ups that tsmc' design alliance is helping to design into our processes. If this company were a customer it should have a tsmc sales person designated to serve it.

Elizabeth

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寄件者： Bitcoiner 49er [[email protected]]
寄件時間： 2013/08/06 下午 02:27 EST
收件者： YWSUN
主旨： Investor question

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Elizabeth,

I received your email from your company's website. I have perhaps an unusual question. I am invested with a customer of yours, Yifu Guo, CTO http://bitsyn.com 1-(347)-370-9069. I and many others have been unable to contact him regarding our investment with his SC chips that were manufactured by your company.

I don't want any sensitive info, which I know you or anyone at TSMC could not provide, however I would like to ask if the order placed, has been completed. This will allow me to know that the product is in his possession and I should possibly consult legal action to find out more.

Thank you for your time, I do not wish to inconvenience you, but I am running out of options to get information on a substantial investment.

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Quote from: warhawk187 on August 07, 2013, 06:12:28 PM

Has anyone considered actually contacting the foundry where these chips are being made? Maybe TSMC has people that can possibly have more answers. Avalon is definitely pulling a BFL and costing the lot of us a lot of money for each day our chips are late while the difficulty continues to climb 25% every month.

TSMC was contacted by some members of the forum, their contact person said they never heard of BitSyn.com or Avalon. It is expected answer, Avalon is TSMC's customer and their job is to protect their customers.

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Has anyone considered actually contacting the foundry where these chips are being made? Maybe TSMC has people that can possibly have more answers. Avalon is definitely pulling a BFL and costing the lot of us a lot of money for each day our chips are late while the difficulty continues to climb 25% every month.

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Quote from: northcape on August 07, 2013, 11:10:44 AM

What parts are holding back the shipping time for the batch 1 boards?
The rumours of an impending a 2.1 million chip deployment make me wonder if I’ll even make ROI with my batch 1 boards. Roll Eyes

Umm...the chips from Bitsyncom?!

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Quote from: robix on August 07, 2013, 04:53:04 PM

Why do you guys not consider to take legal action against BitSyncom/Yifu/Avalon? Is it so absurd? In the German thread of sebastianJu's groupbuy there's just a discussion on this topic. We must react against these people, that think they can do what they want while their pockets are full with our money.

good idea! its an american company, class action lawsuit.

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Why do you guys not consider to take legal action against BitSyncom/Yifu/Avalon? Is it so absurd? In the German thread of sebastianJu's groupbuy there's just a discussion on this topic. We must react against these people, that think they can do what they want while their pockets are full with our money.

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Burnins been great and completely professional throughout the entire design phase. He doesn't control shipment or production of Avalon chips. I paid for 35 of Burnins 20 chip boards and that's a risk I took to make some money. I'm completely happy with the way Burnins gone through this entire process. On the other hand I'm pretty pissed about the Avalon chips not shipping like they were suppose too. Hopefully my bitfury order goes smoother with them honoring their deadlines.

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What parts are holding back the shipping time for the batch 1 boards?
The rumours of an impending a 2.1 million chip deployment make me wonder if I’ll even make ROI with my batch 1 boards. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: kano on August 07, 2013, 10:31:56 AM

Quote from: bitcoiner49er on August 07, 2013, 08:22:26 AM

Quote from: nemercry on August 07, 2013, 05:00:35 AM

FYI where the chips could be. No proof at all but sounds like a reasonable story.
If its true, our chips will take a lot more time to arrive than thought.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2881320

BS

IF.. if it's true; then Yifu Trollol should have amended his "NO BS" policy on the chip order page to include the extra time it would take to get chips made. Unless you believe someone talented enough to design an ASIC chip for SHA-256 and wanting to produce his own brand tablet can't compute "X" number of chips ordered * TSMC production = "Y" time for delivery.

YiFu is a PR guy - he doesn't know shit about designing chips ...

Well, true; zhang seems to be the chip designer. But YiFu has the mental capabilities to understand his decisions.

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Quote from: bitcoiner49er on August 07, 2013, 08:22:26 AM

Quote from: nemercry on August 07, 2013, 05:00:35 AM

FYI where the chips could be. No proof at all but sounds like a reasonable story.
If its true, our chips will take a lot more time to arrive than thought.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2881320

BS

IF.. if it's true; then Yifu Trollol should have amended his "NO BS" policy on the chip order page to include the extra time it would take to get chips made. Unless you believe someone talented enough to design an ASIC chip for SHA-256 and wanting to produce his own brand tablet can't compute "X" number of chips ordered * TSMC production = "Y" time for delivery.

YiFu is a PR guy - he doesn't know shit about designing chips ...

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I think everyone should stop trying to speak for Burnin - he's pretty level headed and capable of deciding things for himself.

it's not unlikely that Yifu took some big bucks to deliver chips and decided to stiff the little buyers in favor of the big-bucks buyers - knowing full well that he could destroy some up and coming competitors at the same time and knowing that there isn't the slightest thing the little guys can do about it. I think he took some business lessons from Josh here - "if you make them wait long enough, they'll be greatful if they get anything at all."

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Quote from: CumpsD on August 07, 2013, 10:14:52 AM

Might be better to all try to get Yufi to deliver the ships

Agreed. Or why not Zhang, or any or the former members of Bitsyncom, before they broke-up? What about that guy, the former team member that posted the pictures of that massive chip order in multiple boxes equating to millions of chips?!

One guy may have the key to the wallet, but the others all know the date of order, expected delivery, and the likely whereabouts of the chips.

Zhang, more than likely knows the whereabouts of Yifu as well. It's not like they don't speak!

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Quote from: CumpsD on August 07, 2013, 10:14:52 AM

Might be better to all try to get Yufi to deliver the ships

I agree there..

Also, burnin never said that you need to prepay before your chips arrive.
When you pay your order, your chips will be mounted, in place of order and when your chips arrive.

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Might be better to all try to get Yufi to deliver the ships

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Quote from: maxmint on August 07, 2013, 10:05:20 AM

Quote from: turtle83 on August 07, 2013, 09:57:23 AM

I paid burnin to build boards out of ASIC chips that im supposed to send him. If (for whatever reason) I cant send him the chips, then its me in violation ... not Burnin. He may have spent most of that money with securing components and equipments for speedy fab which we expect from him. In fact burnin can, if he wants, ask for penalty cause now his entire scheduling is messed up cause of my failure to provide him the chips.... but he wont do that since hes a nice guy.

Totally right. Everyone who ordered from burnin is responsible for providing Avalon chips. Burnin is only selling boards, so if we fail to deliver our own chips than it's just bad luck for us.
Take a look at burnin's order pages, there's a statement in bold letters:

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Warning: You need to supply the required amount of Avalon Asic chips yourself.

I can imagine that burnin may be willing to give refunds as an act of kindness, if this is financially possible for him. But I don't see any reason that he is bound to refund anyone.

All I'm saying is it clearly won't be financially possible to give complete refunds as understandably monies have been used to fund the project and acquire equipment and fabricate thus far.

Tarmi stamping his feet demanding a full refund won't get one and needs to acknowledge his responsibility in assuming risk knowing full well how this was being financed and what was at stake.

If this was payment by by credit card, your issuing bank insures you and hedges risk against the interest and transaction fees they charge for using their products to make payment. That comes from their own pool of funds, not the merchant. Sure they would try and claw back what they could, but if the merchant provides proof that funds were used fairly and correctly for the design, development and manufacture and thus already spent, the remaining balance the issuing bank swallows.

This is not the case here, the buyers have chosen to assume the risk. This was never hidden, just people do neither inform themselves, nor acknowledge responsibility and their part in the process. They just make irrational purchases and investments...

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Quote from: turtle83 on August 07, 2013, 09:57:23 AM

I paid burnin to build boards out of ASIC chips that im supposed to send him. If (for whatever reason) I cant send him the chips, then its me in violation ... not Burnin. He may have spent most of that money with securing components and equipments for speedy fab which we expect from him. In fact burnin can, if he wants, ask for penalty cause now his entire scheduling is messed up cause of my failure to provide him the chips.... but he wont do that since hes a nice guy.

Totally right. Everyone who ordered from burnin is responsible for providing Avalon chips. Burnin is only selling boards, so if we fail to deliver our own chips then it's just bad luck for us.
Take a look at burnin's order pages, there's a statement in bold letters:

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Warning: You need to supply the required amount of Avalon Asic chips yourself.

I can imagine that burnin may be willing to give refunds as an act of kindness, if this is financially possible for him. But I don't see any reason that he is bound to refund anyone.

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 07, 2013, 09:50:30 AM

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Quote from: tarmi on August 07, 2013, 07:26:39 AM

Great work burnin. One question for you.

I paid in advance for more then 30 boards. If my avalon chips dont show up really soon, I will have to ask for a full refund from you.

What is your refund policy?

I asked the same thing via mail yesterday. I'm still waiting for an answer.

I'm going to be honest, I think you'll have to share the burden of Burnin's financial loss. He didn't deserve this, and you and he all thought it was a sure bet, no one forced you to buy the chips and you all chomped at the bit to have someone create the products around them. I don't see why he should be out into financial difficulty or bankruptcy because of Bitsyncom's behaviour and lack of integrity. Burnin's has been Stella and transparent the entire way. If it was a Credit Card payment the issuing bank would have insured the loss, but to ask for him to find the money to repay everyone in BTC, which would have been used to pay for inventory and already depleted is not fair. Certainly he could give a partial refund covering the remainder of BTC once his costs and time have been taken...

I admire your honesty, but who da.fak are you to talk about burnins financial loss?

I paid in advance for 700 chips and got fukd by Yifu the man, and paid for 30 boards, again in advance. The way.i see it: no chips = no preordered boards = no financial loss for burnin.

30 boards = 3500 €

Ok I'm just taking a logical standpoint. Burnin' has been the textbook professional with respect to project progression and updates, regularly keeping all those involved with him upto speed.

He had to take payment in advance so he could quit what he was doing before, afford to live and pay for all the inventory required to design, develop, test and manufacture all the boards and associated components ahead of the proposed chip delivery. He's had to pay in advance for the labour involved and a sizeable order to be taken seriously by his board fabricators. He now has those items in stock. You asked, he's done his part, it' involved your cash and everyone else that put him upto it.

You all, Burnin' and yourself included thought it was a great idea. What could go wrong? The last people in the supply chain that anyone thought would intentionally mislead and refuse to acknowledge anyone was Yifu and Zhang. This is not Burnin's fault and I see no other choice than for your to take responsibility for some of your own risk if you chose this path and a payment method that's not covered by consumer protection and insured by a credit card issuer. I'm all for Bitcoin, obviously I wouldn't be here otherwise, but there's areas in which I would never use Bitcoin. Pre-ordering is definitely one, and payment protection is precisely for security in buying products and/or services that are delivered in future, i.e. travel, holidays, etc. This is not Burnin's fault and it's as much your risk as his. Sorry if you don't want to hear that, but you have to take responsibility for your own actions and not try and dump the blame on someone else...

Your premise is false. Burnin wasnt asked to do anything, he was offering his skills and service for the assembly of th boards with avalon chips.

No chips = no assembly business for burnin. Sorry thats th way it is.

Burnin did a great ob, I agree on that.

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 07, 2013, 09:50:30 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on August 07, 2013, 08:29:46 AM

Quote from: gravito on August 07, 2013, 08:07:14 AM

Quote from: tarmi on August 07, 2013, 07:26:39 AM

Great work burnin. One question for you.

I paid in advance for more then 30 boards. If my avalon chips dont show up really soon, I will have to ask for a full refund from you.

What is your refund policy?

I asked the same thing via mail yesterday. I'm still waiting for an answer.

I'm going to be honest, I think you'll have to share the burden of Burnin's financial loss. He didn't deserve this, and you and he all thought it was a sure bet, no one forced you to buy the chips and you all chomped at the bit to have someone create the products around them. I don't see why he should be out into financial difficulty or bankruptcy because of Bitsyncom's behaviour and lack of integrity. Burnin's has been Stella and transparent the entire way. If it was a Credit Card payment the issuing bank would have insured the loss, but to ask for him to find the money to repay everyone in BTC, which would have been used to pay for inventory and already depleted is not fair. Certainly he could give a partial refund covering the remainder of BTC once his costs and time have been taken...

I admire your honesty, but who da.fak are you to talk about burnins financial loss?

I paid in advance for 700 chips and got fukd by Yifu the man, and paid for 30 boards, again in advance. The way.i see it: no chips = no preordered boards = no financial loss for burnin.

30 boards = 3500 €

Ok I'm just taking a logical standpoint. Burnin' has been the textbook professional with respect to project progression and updates, regularly keeping all those involved with him upto speed.

He had to take payment in advance so he could quit what he was doing before, afford to live and pay for all the inventory required to design, develop, test and manufacture all the boards and associated components ahead of the proposed chip delivery. He's had to pay in advance for the labour involved and a sizeable order to be taken seriously by his board fabricators. He now has those items in stock. You asked, he's done his part, it' involved your cash and everyone else that put him upto it.

You all, Burnin' and yourself included thought it was a great idea. What could go wrong? The last people in the supply chain that anyone thought would intentionally mislead and refuse to acknowledge anyone was Yifu and Zhang. This is not Burnin's fault and I see no other choice than for your to take responsibility for some of your own risk if you chose this path and a payment method that's not covered by consumer protection and insured by a credit card issuer. I'm all for Bitcoin, obviously I wouldn't be here otherwise, but there's areas I'm which would never use Bitcoin for pre-ordering, and payment protection is just that. This is not Burnin's fault and it's as much your risk as his. Sorry if you don't want to hear that, but you have to take responsibility for your own actions and not try and dump the blame on someone else...

+1 agree

I paid burnin to build boards out of ASIC chips that im supposed to send him. If (for whatever reason) I cant send him the chips, then its me in violation ... not Burnin. He may have spent most of that money with securing components and equipments for speedy fab which we expect from him. In fact burnin can, if he wants, ask for penalty cause now his entire scheduling is messed up cause of my failure to provide him the chips.... but he wont do that since hes a nice guy.

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