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Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.

Yes. These things aren't important to Putin. The west doesn't understand Putin's Ukraine obsession. He is after the land, he is after the wealth, he is after power. He sees it as a soviet-era trend. There is a return to Soviet-era thinking, and it is about territory, wealth and power. Putin is at the center of the story, and this small group of people around him. They are basically the last remnant of Soviet elites. People like these sincerely believe that the West is hostile, who sincerely believe that the West denies Russia its rightful place in the world.

Can sanctions and boycotts stop Putin and end Russia's war in Ukraine? I would say that is unlikely. Just think about the Olympic boycott of Russia. That was a symbolic gesture, even though there was a weak economic impact. But don't forget that it is a huge signal. It may not be enough to win over Putin, but in terms of Russia's international reputation it played an important role.

This doesn't mean that sanctions will be the only way to resolve the crisis. But it is a powerful symbolic signal, and Russians can't ignore it. In the event that Putin leaves the scene, the sanctions and boycotts will disappear. That's my way of thinking.


It is very unlikely that Putin will leave the scene. He will lead the Russian till his death.
My question is more reasonable if this war between Ukraine and Russia comes to an end, will the sanctions on Russia be lifted? Even with Putin in power, will bodies like Olympic and FIFA allow Russians to participate?
I don't hear or know any gambling platform that puts sanctions on Russians. Is there any?
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Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.

Yes. These things aren't important to Putin. The west doesn't understand Putin's Ukraine obsession. He is after the land, he is after the wealth, he is after power. He sees it as a soviet-era trend. There is a return to Soviet-era thinking, and it is about territory, wealth and power. Putin is at the center of the story, and this small group of people around him. They are basically the last remnant of Soviet elites. People like these sincerely believe that the West is hostile, who sincerely believe that the West denies Russia its rightful place in the world.

Can sanctions and boycotts stop Putin and end Russia's war in Ukraine? I would say that is unlikely. Just think about the Olympic boycott of Russia. That was a symbolic gesture, even though there was a weak economic impact. But don't forget that it is a huge signal. It may not be enough to win over Putin, but in terms of Russia's international reputation it played an important role.

This doesn't mean that sanctions will be the only way to resolve the crisis. But it is a powerful symbolic signal, and Russians can't ignore it. In the event that Putin leaves the scene, the sanctions and boycotts will disappear. That's my way of thinking.
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Not sure if the root of the war is about politics but what I heard before is about country related stuff, I think Russia got angry because it wasn't included, something like that but whatever reason it is, they are only doing what they can to punish Russians.
Yes, it's all about politics. A war always being triggered due to politics and the division starts from the disagreement of both ends. The Russia is angry because of Ukraine's decision to join EU and NATO. But there's the latest news that Ukraine won't be pursuing its desire to join NATO anymore. But they've signed and requested to be part of EU and I think that's still another factor why Russia is angry because these two countries are like brothers but not anymore now.
I feel like no matter what, Russia should have tried and solve the dispute with talks and maybe threats. But actually attacking a country and the way they're doing, cannot be approved at all. I wasn't even aware what their dispute was but after reading some articles I got to know the real dispute was Ukraine's desire to join NATO. For anyone who doesn't know why NATO is a problem, basically if any country joins NATO then if attacked by anyone, all the NATO members will attack that country together and Russia obviously close to Ukraine don't want that threat.

As far as boycotting websites or services, I don't think it helps the cause at all, if not make the situation worst.
Putin doesn't care about all of those. Even there are threats, sanctions, and rewards for him to be taken, he doesn't care. He's the kind of leader that will push whatever he liked. From what I've read at first when the war has started, everyone is saying that you should start to learn about their history.
But even if we understand their history, we don't like the attacks and we condemn the invasion because no one wants to be in a war, and no one wants to be a casualty during a war.
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It seems strongly that Putin does not care at all about all the sanctions imposed, and just continues with his actions and warfare. That in turn could have the effect that Europe thinks they should impose even stricter sanctions on Russia, where is this going? I also see it happening in the long run that all Russian athletes are no longer allowed to exercise outdoors. And the next stage would be Russian workers, who work in enough countries in Europe anyway. Where is the border? It is especially unfortunate because those athletes can do nothing about it and are often also against Putin's regime.
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Not sure if the root of the war is about politics but what I heard before is about country related stuff, I think Russia got angry because it wasn't included, something like that but whatever reason it is, they are only doing what they can to punish Russians.
Yes, it's all about politics. A war always being triggered due to politics and the division starts from the disagreement of both ends. The Russia is angry because of Ukraine's decision to join EU and NATO. But there's the latest news that Ukraine won't be pursuing its desire to join NATO anymore. But they've signed and requested to be part of EU and I think that's still another factor why Russia is angry because these two countries are like brothers but not anymore now.
I feel like no matter what, Russia should have tried and solve the dispute with talks and maybe threats. But actually attacking a country and the way they're doing, cannot be approved at all. I wasn't even aware what their dispute was but after reading some articles I got to know the real dispute was Ukraine's desire to join NATO. For anyone who doesn't know why NATO is a problem, basically if any country joins NATO then if attacked by anyone, all the NATO members will attack that country together and Russia obviously close to Ukraine don't want that threat.

As far as boycotting websites or services, I don't think it helps the cause at all, if not make the situation worst.
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I mean that there are men in this casinos that are paid for reading the board. If they see that a lot of gamblers decided to boycott - the decision to stop withdraw and steal deposits looks logical. If you decided to boycott - firstly withdraw your money.

Wait a minute. What exactly do you think "a boycott" means?
Don`t use these platforms.

Do you think they are registered in Russia? No, they pay taxes to Panama, Bahamas, Cyprus, etc.

There are many multinational companies owned by Russian oligarchs whose assets are being frozen around the world.
The casinos which you want to boycott are in this list? This casinos based in Russia?

If you really want to boycott Russia - don`t use or minimize using of gas and petrol.
Are you implying that all oil and gas comes from Russia?
Do you can use non-Russian oil and gas, or, probably, you can detect it before buying?

If you really want to help Ukraine - don`t gamble but send you money to the Ukraine, host refugees from Ukraine.

In fact, I can do both. I have already donated, and I am organizing a humanitarian action locally in cooperation with the Red Cross. Refugees have not yet reached my country yet, but once they do, I will be happy to offer them all the help I can.
It`s good that you do both. But before in this thread i saw an idea like "if i win i can donate more".
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^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/russia-going-offline-5389189. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.

But according to the link that you have posted, wasn't it only for March 11 ?
Will Russia be connecting to the global internet again on March 12 ?
What are they going to achieve by cutting off from the global internet just for 24 hours ?
Why they do cut off itself off from the internet? It is because of "continous cyberattacks"
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/russia-may-cut-off-internet-cyberattacks-b2031793.html

But as mentioned on the link that they have no plans to disconnect the internet from the inside.
Too much on being paranoid about boycotting on why people do really have this kind of reaction towards things.If they would consider out on cutting it off
then i cant think that much unto its huge effect in overall.

If it is because of the cyber attacks then the question arises until when will Russia decide to cut off the internet to the outer world.
The cyber attacks can start as soon as when they start the connection to the global internet again.
I guess it will be a while before all the dust settles. The recent events are really devastating.
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Not sure if the root of the war is about politics but what I heard before is about country related stuff, I think Russia got angry because it wasn't included, something like that but whatever reason it is, they are only doing what they can to punish Russians.
Yes, it's all about politics. A war always being triggered due to politics and the division starts from the disagreement of both ends. The Russia is angry because of Ukraine's decision to join EU and NATO. But there's the latest news that Ukraine won't be pursuing its desire to join NATO anymore. But they've signed and requested to be part of EU and I think that's still another factor why Russia is angry because these two countries are like brothers but not anymore now.
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Should be a good initiative as a form of peaceful rally.

However, Putin won't likely feel the negative effect of it. Prior to the start of the invasion, Putin already anticipates that some boycott or any related thing might happen on the process not just in gambling platforms but for the other sectors, businesses, industries etc. as well. He surely knows about it and the consequences their country will face once he push on that war which he actually did.

Russia might not feel the impact of it on their economy for a short-run but it should be if the on-going invasion won't be stopped for long.

Like what I previously mentioned, this movement is not about letting Putin realize the impact of his decisions but to unify forum members that there exists such movement against Russia. It is more on the fact that there are people who are willing to support Ukraine in this war. We all know that by boycotting Russian gambling websites, it will be very minuscule to such effect but having a designated number of people who support such movement will impact the thing as a whole.

Again, such war is very unnecessary and unfortunate. The least thing that we can do is to support Ukrainians on this war and hope that everything will be solved in the end.
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I mean that there are men in this casinos that are paid for reading the board. If they see that a lot of gamblers decided to boycott - the decision to stop withdraw and steal deposits looks logical. If you decided to boycott - firstly withdraw your money.

Wait a minute. What exactly do you think "a boycott" means?

Do you think they are registered in Russia? No, they pay taxes to Panama, Bahamas, Cyprus, etc.

There are many multinational companies owned by Russian oligarchs whose assets are being frozen around the world.

If you really want to boycott Russia - don`t use or minimize using of gas and petrol.

Are you implying that all oil and gas comes from Russia?

If you really want to help Ukraine - don`t gamble but send you money to the Ukraine, host refugees from Ukraine.

In fact, I can do both. I have already donated, and I am organizing a humanitarian action locally in cooperation with the Red Cross. Refugees have not yet reached my country yet, but once they do, I will be happy to offer them all the help I can.
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China has done this before (closed off to the outside world) so this is nothing new. In addition, VPN and the Tor network have also contributed greatly to citizens whose countries have closed themselves off from the outside internet, for example China and North Korea. boycotting a gambling platform originating from russia is not a wise act imo.

It's not as simple as you think. Disconnecting from the global Internet and creating its own separate internet is possible if Russia decides to do so. Despite the fact that VPNs and TOR have been used to gain access to censored sources before, a properly implemented set of controls could effectively prevent their use in the future. Russia already experimented with disconnecting from the Internet in 2019. [source]

As a result, refraining from using any financial services from the territory of Russia makes perfect sense, especially in light of recent events. Who would want their money stuck on the other side of the great Russian digital wall?
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^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/russia-going-offline-5389189. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.
China has done this before (closed off to the outside world) so this is nothing new. In addition, VPN and the Tor network have also contributed greatly to citizens whose countries have closed themselves off from the outside internet, for example China and North Korea. boycotting a gambling platform originating from russia is not a wise act imo.
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^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/russia-going-offline-5389189. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.

But according to the link that you have posted, wasn't it only for March 11 ?
Will Russia be connecting to the global internet again on March 12 ?
What are they going to achieve by cutting off from the global internet just for 24 hours ?
Why they do cut off itself off from the internet? It is because of "continous cyberattacks"
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/russia-may-cut-off-internet-cyberattacks-b2031793.html

But as mentioned on the link that they have no plans to disconnect the internet from the inside.
Too much on being paranoid about boycotting on why people do really have this kind of reaction towards things.If they would consider out on cutting it off
then i cant think that much unto its huge effect in overall.
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there is a little error here, Don't really agree with the boycott doesn't mean we are pro to a country, right?
I think it's okay to do Boykot on everything related to Russia, but that doesn't mean we have to force other people who don't want to deal with it. because it's good to boycott or not, it's up to each individual and indeed we can't force what we want on other people.

When you say the invasion of Russia and Ukraine, it's clearly purely about politics and the sanctions that are given as a form of solidarity are to give something of a deterrent effect to those who do it. But on the other hand we also have to see who should be attacked and who should not because even if we see that not everyone there agrees with the invasion, there are even those who tend to vehemently oppose it. My point is don't generalize everything because of one mistake. what is done due to political problems because business and politics will still be different
Yes your pro to it if you disagree but what I don't get is the error you that your trying to say. The op sound like he wants other people to join him on his advocacy but we can see that not all people on this thread are with him because they also know that it was not totally the fault of Russian citizens but they are only a victim here. They are already suffering in other forms of sanction given to them but aren't we contented with that? Because, we want more.

Not sure if the root of the war is about politics but what I heard before is about country related stuff, I think Russia got angry because it wasn't included, something like that but whatever reason it is, they are only doing what they can to punish Russians.
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And how the gamblers will withdraw their money? The support willn`t work, the casinos willn`t work. I don`t see any problems to anyone except gamblers from this boycott. The best choice is to withdraw your money and boycott after that. Possible that the OP did so.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. How can a customer withdraw money if both the website and customer support are unavailable?
I think withdrawing all funds and abandoning all Russian-based platforms is the best thing we can do before the Russian government decides to completely cut itself off from the rest of the Internet. Just as I suggested in my OP.
I don`t think that it will be Russian government initiative, but it doesn`t matter.
I mean that there are men in this casinos that are paid for reading the board. If they see that a lot of gamblers decided to boycott - the decision to stop withdraw and steal deposits looks logical. If you decided to boycott - firstly withdraw your money.
Yes you are right if they know that many people will boycott it seems that they will go advance and hold the withdrawal and make it difficult so we need to be vigilant and have a advance mindset over them.
 And I think that's a good idea when in terms of boycott you need to withdraw your money first in order to be safe and good,
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^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/russia-going-offline-5389189. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.

But according to the link that you have posted, wasn't it only for March 11 ?
Will Russia be connecting to the global internet again on March 12 ?
What are they going to achieve by cutting off from the global internet just for 24 hours ?
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And how the gamblers will withdraw their money? The support willn`t work, the casinos willn`t work. I don`t see any problems to anyone except gamblers from this boycott. The best choice is to withdraw your money and boycott after that. Possible that the OP did so.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. How can a customer withdraw money if both the website and customer support are unavailable?
I think withdrawing all funds and abandoning all Russian-based platforms is the best thing we can do before the Russian government decides to completely cut itself off from the rest of the Internet. Just as I suggested in my OP.
I don`t think that it will be Russian government initiative, but it doesn`t matter.
I mean that there are men in this casinos that are paid for reading the board. If they see that a lot of gamblers decided to boycott - the decision to stop withdraw and steal deposits looks logical. If you decided to boycott - firstly withdraw your money.

If you so want to boycott - boycott real things and real men. These gambling sites - is a profit of 20-50 men, and they don`t pay anything to Russia.

Again, I don't understand, what do you mean by "they don't pay anything to Russia"?
All legal businesses must pay taxes in their home countries. Licensed casinos pay even more since gambling is subject to additional laws and regulations.

Do you think they are registered in Russia? No, they pay taxes to Panama, Bahamas, Cyprus, etc.
If you really want to boycott Russia - don`t use or minimize using of gas and petrol.
If you really want to help Ukraine - don`t gamble but send you money to the Ukraine, host refugees from Ukraine.

It looks silly - to boycott russian casinos, cry about war and continue gambling.
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And how the gamblers will withdraw their money? The support willn`t work, the casinos willn`t work. I don`t see any problems to anyone except gamblers from this boycott. The best choice is to withdraw your money and boycott after that. Possible that the OP did so.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. How can a customer withdraw money if both the website and customer support are unavailable?
I think withdrawing all funds and abandoning all Russian-based platforms is the best thing we can do before the Russian government decides to completely cut itself off from the rest of the Internet. Just as I suggested in my OP.

If you so want to boycott - boycott real things and real men. These gambling sites - is a profit of 20-50 men, and they don`t pay anything to Russia.

Again, I don't understand, what do you mean by "they don't pay anything to Russia"?
All legal businesses must pay taxes in their home countries. Licensed casinos pay even more since gambling is subject to additional laws and regulations.
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^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/russia-going-offline-5389189. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.
And how the gamblers will withdraw their money? The support willn`t work, the casinos willn`t work. I don`t see any problems to anyone except gamblers from this boycott. The best choice is to withdraw your money and boycott after that. Possible that the OP did so. If you so want to boycott - boycott real things and real men. These gambling sites - is a profit of 20-50 men, and they don`t pay anything to Russia.
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there is a little error here, Don't really agree with the boycott doesn't mean we are pro to a country, right?
I think it's okay to do Boykot on everything related to Russia, but that doesn't mean we have to force other people who don't want to deal with it. because it's good to boycott or not, it's up to each individual and indeed we can't force what we want on other people.

No one said we should force people into anything they don't want to do. We are not in Russia.  Smiley
From the title, you can see that this topic is framed as a question to encourage an exchange of views. Of course, each individual has the right to decide how they want to proceed.

When you say the invasion of Russia and Ukraine, it's clearly purely about politics and the sanctions that are given as a form of solidarity are to give something of a deterrent effect to those who do it. But on the other hand we also have to see who should be attacked and who should not because even if we see that not everyone there agrees with the invasion, there are even those who tend to vehemently oppose it. My point is don't generalize everything because of one mistake. what is done due to political problems because business and politics will still be different

I never intended to generalize or claim that all Russians were to blame. Their government should be held responsible, not ordinary citizens.
The boycott is in protest. Similar to other companies withdrawing their services and activities from Russia, and similar to the boycott of Russian athletes from sports competitions.



^ I saw on meta about this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/russia-going-offline-5389189. Russia will be going offline, they completely disconnect global internet, so how those gambling casinos that based on Russia? There is no boycott anymore, they decided already to cut down their global internet and they only access their local website which is I don't think how they can communicate other outside websites like casinos, not unless someone will use VPN all of these is useless implementation. Anyone could share their thought on this.

If this is true, then Mr. Putin is ahead of us. Instead of voluntary boycotting some Russian services, he will force us to boycott them all, and he will force his people to boycott the rest of the digital world. Imagine that! This is how a true leader behaves.  Wink
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