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Quote from: acener on March 08, 2022, 03:26:43 AM

Why would others have to suffer because of their country?
Even though we know that those given gambling platform have negative trust but what about other platforms from Russia that are giving their customer a good service?
We don't even know if their owner is participating or in favor for the war or just wants to live in peace.

That happens when you start a war out of nowhere.A lot of innocent people from the country starting the war usually suffer consequences although not all countries starting invasions do so,but in this specific case they do.The whole world is against what Putin is doing and they are putting all sort of sanctions and even further strengthening them that they are all inclusive when they hit the "targets" in this scenario all the Russians citizens pro and against this war.

It may be wrong but Europe is in support of all big IT businesses in Europe which collectively have said to Russians normal citizens: "Not a single job ever you will get again from us."

Most other big businesses are following by cutting business relations in Russia completely.The innocent civilians in Russia are paying a really high price too from this war.

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Quote from: Naficopa on March 07, 2022, 06:53:52 PM

Quote from: livingfree on March 07, 2022, 06:08:50 PM

I am not sure if Putin is going to count that for.

He looks eager in continuing the war and doesn't mind the damages that Russia's economy is taking. I don't know if I've read it correctly elsewhere that the upend for this war is about to be seen due to the help of China regarding their economy.

As China is one of the top in the economy right now.

Of course, China is a giant at the moment, but it is not involved in this dispute.
If the boycotts and sanctions do not work for Putin, they should work for Russian billionaires and the citizens. If he cannot understand that he is leading his country to a catastrophe, other Russians should understand and remove him from the presidency chear. In my opinion, that would be the best solution. Except, of course, to stop the war immediately.

Those Russian billionaires have been complaining already that they're losing a lot of money due to the war.

He understands that he's the one who's causing ruckus with their economy. He's the main reason why countries putting sanctions to their economy and while China is backing him up through making up with their economy, he's still going to ignore the sanctions.

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Why would others have to suffer because of their country?
Even though we know that those given gambling platform have negative trust but what about other platforms from Russia that are giving their customer a good service?
We don't even know if their owner is participating or in favor for the war or just wants to live in peace.

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Well done to Russia. It's Biden's fault

How is it Biden fault for Russia invasion of Ukraine can you give out more information to support that claim, why are some people blaming US for this Rusia Ukraine war are.you guys expecting Biden to pronounce war against Russia for Ukraine invasion?

Can't say for sure on who's at fault over it but we don't know the real thing since they hide it publicly, some say it was just staged. I don't think that's what LEVSKI7 trying to portray for US to announce a war with Russia, it has to have a process and it wouldn't be just Biden that will say the word, this has to be decided by the Congress and not just solely by Biden.

The news flying every day on tv are all just destructions in Ukraine like its something new. We've seen alot worse destructions in the wars of middle east. No one bats an eye, no Reuters or BBC coming even to just flash images on tv.

No news these days talks about the nevotiations before the war. People will not seek the reason any more or whos fault. No tv station explains why Ukaine wants to Join NATO and why Russia oppose it. But some TV stations reports how many brothers were established overnight because of many sexy Ukrainian runaways.

Its all around broadcasted all over the world and the people dont want this war happen thats why they make an immediately peace talk the both president of the country with bidens face each other to make sure they can make an agreement for having a ceasefire for a while because many people affected and they dont have a choice but to evacuate the area to make themselves secured. The people of both country does not want this war.

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Quote from: livingfree on March 07, 2022, 06:08:50 PM

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Quote from: livingfree on March 06, 2022, 04:19:46 PM

Stopping cash flow is really going to cleave their economy.

Well, there have been a lot of companies that have left Russia already. So, to sum it up, there go the sanctions, companies leaving Russia, and as well as this plan of ignoring these companies.

That's really going to be hard for the Russia if this is going to keep happening on their economy for a long time.

This is the purpose of economic sanctions. The economic losses Russia will experience due to the product boycott, restrictions and sanctions must be bigger than any possible profit from the war that goes on . Once Putin realizes this he will end the invasion. Lets hope it will happen as soon as possible.

I am not sure if Putin is going to count that for.

He looks eager in continuing the war and doesn't mind the damages that Russia's economy is taking. I don't know if I've read it correctly elsewhere that the upend for this war is about to be seen due to the help of China regarding their economy.

As China is one of the top in the economy right now.

Of course, China is a giant at the moment, but it is not involved in this dispute.
If the boycotts and sanctions do not work for Putin, they should work for Russian billionaires and the citizens. If he cannot understand that he is leading his country to a catastrophe, other Russians should understand and remove him from the presidency chear. In my opinion, that would be the best solution. Except, of course, to stop the war immediately.

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Quote from: Naficopa on March 07, 2022, 05:21:25 PM

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Quote from: Slow death on March 04, 2022, 12:41:12 AM

when a people choose a president, people must be aware that they are choosing someone who will fight to ensure their well being, what other countries are doing when putting sanctions against russia and precisely to remind the russian people that they must remove the cause of all evils that in this case would be its leader, the other countries are right to put sanctions against Russia, about boycotting gambling sites that the owners are Russians is something that needs to be analyzed in each case, for example if the site is located in the USA so person needs to follow what the US government determines if they are banning people from russia to have gambling sites there then it makes sense not to use the site, if the person is american and the site is located in russia it also makes sense the person from america does not use the site, it will depend on each person if they will respect the law and if they will have morals

What you are saying makes sense, however can the Russian population do that? I mean Putin has been the leader of Russia now for a very long time, so I think we can assume there is not a true democracy at Russia for their citizens to remove him peacefully, which means that the only way to get him out of power would be for other powerful officials to see what is going on and decide to start a revolt against him, but when every single public officer is his friend and has been bought then the chances of a change of leadership at Russia seem to be very low.

There are also very rich Russians who have already lost billions by this war and are losing more with each passing day. I think Putin was wrong because he thought he would get Ukraine in 3-4 days and not suffer financial losses. Blocked funds by Russian billionaires around the world are changing the situation. I think Putin's removal is very likely, and it is precisely actions such as sanctions and boycotts that will lead to it. (Because I do not allow the thought that this war could flow over the whole world.)

Everything could really lead into this situation if this war would continue to hold for long.Sanctions would be everywhere and cutting off ties would be also there which it would really hurt the economy so

bad which would really result into some sort of total u-turn of events on kicking out Putin into its current position.They are really putting their country at bad shape which it is really just the consequences
on what he had done on UK or due to his own ambitions and things that circling out into his mind on resulting to this war.

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 04:19:25 PM

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

These are scammers and nonreputable platforms. I never use them because of so many scam accusations. Better not to use them.

Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 04:19:25 PM

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

We can support the victims, but by boycotting, it will also make victims also for the Russian people? I heard that not all Russian people also want this war. Will this kind of boycott really work to decrease the income of the country?
The war is about politics between the government and certain parties. I also heard that Russia doesn't attack the civilians. Well, don't know the turth excatly. Hopefully they will exactly face the peace deal soon

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Quote from: Naficopa on March 06, 2022, 05:40:06 PM

Quote from: livingfree on March 06, 2022, 04:19:46 PM

Stopping cash flow is really going to cleave their economy.

Well, there have been a lot of companies that have left Russia already. So, to sum it up, there go the sanctions, companies leaving Russia, and as well as this plan of ignoring these companies.

That's really going to be hard for the Russia if this is going to keep happening on their economy for a long time.

This is the purpose of economic sanctions. The economic losses Russia will experience due to the product boycott, restrictions and sanctions must be bigger than any possible profit from the war that goes on . Once Putin realizes this he will end the invasion. Lets hope it will happen as soon as possible.

I am not sure if Putin is going to count that for.

He looks eager in continuing the war and doesn't mind the damages that Russia's economy is taking. I don't know if I've read it correctly elsewhere that the upend for this war is about to be seen due to the help of China regarding their economy.

As China is one of the top in the economy right now.

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Quote from: Slow death on March 04, 2022, 12:41:12 AM

when a people choose a president, people must be aware that they are choosing someone who will fight to ensure their well being, what other countries are doing when putting sanctions against russia and precisely to remind the russian people that they must remove the cause of all evils that in this case would be its leader, the other countries are right to put sanctions against Russia, about boycotting gambling sites that the owners are Russians is something that needs to be analyzed in each case, for example if the site is located in the USA so person needs to follow what the US government determines if they are banning people from russia to have gambling sites there then it makes sense not to use the site, if the person is american and the site is located in russia it also makes sense the person from america does not use the site, it will depend on each person if they will respect the law and if they will have morals

What you are saying makes sense, however can the Russian population do that? I mean Putin has been the leader of Russia now for a very long time, so I think we can assume there is not a true democracy at Russia for their citizens to remove him peacefully, which means that the only way to get him out of power would be for other powerful officials to see what is going on and decide to start a revolt against him, but when every single public officer is his friend and has been bought then the chances of a change of leadership at Russia seem to be very low.

There are also very rich Russians who have already lost billions by this war and are losing more with each passing day. I think Putin was wrong because he thought he would get Ukraine in 3-4 days and not suffer financial losses. Blocked funds by Russian billionaires around the world are changing the situation. I think Putin's removal is very likely, and it is precisely actions such as sanctions and boycotts that will lead to it. (Because I do not allow the thought that this war could flow over the whole world.)

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Quote from: Slow death on March 04, 2022, 12:41:12 AM

when a people choose a president, people must be aware that they are choosing someone who will fight to ensure their well being, what other countries are doing when putting sanctions against russia and precisely to remind the russian people that they must remove the cause of all evils that in this case would be its leader, the other countries are right to put sanctions against Russia, about boycotting gambling sites that the owners are Russians is something that needs to be analyzed in each case, for example if the site is located in the USA so person needs to follow what the US government determines if they are banning people from russia to have gambling sites there then it makes sense not to use the site, if the person is american and the site is located in russia it also makes sense the person from america does not use the site, it will depend on each person if they will respect the law and if they will have morals

What you are saying makes sense, however can the Russian population do that? I mean Putin has been the leader of Russia now for a very long time, so I think we can assume there is not a true democracy at Russia for their citizens to remove him peacefully, which means that the only way to get him out of power would be for other powerful officials to see what is going on and decide to start a revolt against him, but when every single public officer is his friend and has been bought then the chances of a change of leadership at Russia seem to be very low.

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Quote from: sovie on March 07, 2022, 02:52:51 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on March 07, 2022, 02:01:10 PM

Quote from: sovie on March 07, 2022, 01:49:00 PM

Are you guys saying that nobody should care about what is happening in Ukraine?
What is happening there is a crime that should not happen anywhere in the 21st century! Boycotting casinos is a banal thing compared to the punishment that the Russian government should pay! Cutting off the flow of tax money from casinos to support this war is a drop in the ocean, but we should at least in this way protest against murdering people for no reason.

You are missing the point. It's not like they don't care. Instead, they don't want to harm innocent Russians who don't support this war which makes complete sense since they are the ones who suffer along with the innocent Ukraine citizens.

If sanctions and restrictions actually worked, Putin would have stopped the invasion in the early stages itself. However, that clearly didn't happen since he isn't scared of anything.

The purpose of boycotts and sanctions is not to destroy the country. It is only a tool to put pressure on the decision to stop the war. If the current sanctions and boycotts do not work, they must be increased until they are effective. If not Putin himself understand that, the oligarchs and society should understand this and remove Putin from the presidency. If this does not happen, there will be a war between Russia and NATO, and this is what the Russian people certainly does not want.

I know that NATO is doing quite a great job in making sure that the war ended soon. The sanction was to put an end to the Russian aggressive attack on the Ukrainians soil. I am very happy that the war had ended which is a good effort. Now that the war had ended, we shouldn't use this means to attack the Russians because of the scene which I know that many of them never supported this act.

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Quote from: Haunebu on March 07, 2022, 02:01:10 PM

Quote from: sovie on March 07, 2022, 01:49:00 PM

Are you guys saying that nobody should care about what is happening in Ukraine?
What is happening there is a crime that should not happen anywhere in the 21st century! Boycotting casinos is a banal thing compared to the punishment that the Russian government should pay! Cutting off the flow of tax money from casinos to support this war is a drop in the ocean, but we should at least in this way protest against murdering people for no reason.

You are missing the point. It's not like they don't care. Instead, they don't want to harm innocent Russians who don't support this war which makes complete sense since they are the ones who suffer along with the innocent Ukraine citizens.

If sanctions and restrictions actually worked, Putin would have stopped the invasion in the early stages itself. However, that clearly didn't happen since he isn't scared of anything.

The purpose of boycotts and sanctions is not to destroy the country. It is only a tool to put pressure on the decision to stop the war. If the current sanctions and boycotts do not work, they must be increased until they are effective. If not Putin himself understand that, the oligarchs and society should understand this and remove Putin from the presidency. If this does not happen, there will be a war between Russia and NATO, and this is what the Russian people certainly does not want.

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Quote from: Haunebu on March 07, 2022, 02:01:10 PM

Quote from: sovie on March 07, 2022, 01:49:00 PM

Are you guys saying that nobody should care about what is happening in Ukraine?
What is happening there is a crime that should not happen anywhere in the 21st century! Boycotting casinos is a banal thing compared to the punishment that the Russian government should pay! Cutting off the flow of tax money from casinos to support this war is a drop in the ocean, but we should at least in this way protest against murdering people for no reason.

You are missing the point. It's not like they don't care. Instead, they don't want to harm innocent Russians who don't support this war which makes complete sense since they are the ones who suffer along with the innocent Ukraine citizens.

If sanctions and restrictions actually worked, Putin would have stopped the invasion in the early stages itself. However, that clearly didn't happen since he isn't scared of anything.

Innocent Russian citizens are also suffering in this war. If people around the globe will cut them off from any possible source of income, how they will survive in this crisis? They are also human beings who want to live. The unfortunate situation is that they have a leader who doesn't want to hear the begging of his people to stop. There are so many rallies inside Russia also but seems that their leader won't stop now. Maybe, what we need is just respect to everyone. Let them do their thing to survive in this battle.

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Quote from: sovie on March 07, 2022, 01:49:00 PM

Are you guys saying that nobody should care about what is happening in Ukraine?
What is happening there is a crime that should not happen anywhere in the 21st century! Boycotting casinos is a banal thing compared to the punishment that the Russian government should pay! Cutting off the flow of tax money from casinos to support this war is a drop in the ocean, but we should at least in this way protest against murdering people for no reason.

You are missing the point. It's not like they don't care. Instead, they don't want to harm innocent Russians who don't support this war which makes complete sense since they are the ones who suffer along with the innocent Ukraine citizens.

If sanctions and restrictions actually worked, Putin would have stopped the invasion in the early stages itself. However, that clearly didn't happen since he isn't scared of anything.

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I also don't see it as a right way to support Ukraine because it won't make things better but rather affect innocent people who are just trying to run a gambling business. There are other ways to support Ukraine and ruining businesses isn't a good idea and it won't also bring down Russia. Their economy is too strong to be affected by this boycott.

I think you are right cause supporting Ukraine by scrapping gambling platform that originated from Russian is not the best way to tackle this situation. We don't need to follow aggression to follow this scene. We all know that we have my Russians on this platform which are potential members of this forum. We all need to focus on different ways to tackle this situation, not by using aggressive means to create more problem here.

This is right, that any boycotts against people or organizations that you personally do not know and in general have not done anything bad to you cannot be necessary.
I believe that, of course, everyone decides for himself what to do, but keep in mind that a boycott of people unknown to you, who may not deserve it at all, is morally unfair and, in my opinion, wrong.

Are you guys saying that nobody should care about what is happening in Ukraine?
What is happening there is a crime that should not happen anywhere in the 21st century! Boycotting casinos is a banal thing compared to the punishment that the Russian government should pay! Cutting off the flow of tax money from casinos to support this war is a drop in the ocean, but we should at least in this way protest against murdering people for no reason.

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Quote from: Desmong on March 07, 2022, 01:19:57 PM

Quote from: Cling18 on March 03, 2022, 10:06:49 AM

I also don't see it as a right way to support Ukraine because it won't make things better but rather affect innocent people who are just trying to run a gambling business. There are other ways to support Ukraine and ruining businesses isn't a good idea and it won't also bring down Russia. Their economy is too strong to be affected by this boycott.

I think you are right cause supporting Ukraine by scrapping gambling platform that originated from Russian is not the best way to tackle this situation. We don't need to follow aggression to follow this scene. We all know that we have my Russians on this platform which are potential members of this forum. We all need to focus on different ways to tackle this situation, not by using aggressive means to create more problem here.

This is right, that any boycotts against people or organizations that you personally do not know and in general have not done anything bad to you cannot be necessary.
I believe that, of course, everyone decides for himself what to do, but keep in mind that a boycott of people unknown to you, who may not deserve it at all, is morally unfair and, in my opinion, wrong.

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Quote from: Cling18 on March 03, 2022, 10:06:49 AM

I also don't see it as a right way to support Ukraine because it won't make things better but rather affect innocent people who are just trying to run a gambling business. There are other ways to support Ukraine and ruining businesses isn't a good idea and it won't also bring down Russia. Their economy is too strong to be affected by this boycott.

I think you are right cause supporting Ukraine by scrapping gambling platform that originated from Russian is not the best way to tackle this situation. We don't need to follow aggression to follow this scene. We all know that we have my Russians on this platform which are potential members of this forum. We all need to focus on different ways to tackle this situation, not by using aggressive means to create more problem here.

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Quote from: RILWAN on March 07, 2022, 08:07:08 AM

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Well done to Russia. It's Biden's fault

How is it Biden fault for Russia invasion of Ukraine can you give out more information to support that claim, why are some people blaming US for this Rusia Ukraine war are.you guys expecting Biden to pronounce war against Russia for Ukraine invasion?

Can't say for sure on who's at fault over it but we don't know the real thing since they hide it publicly, some say it was just staged. I don't think that's what LEVSKI7 trying to portray for US to announce a war with Russia, it has to have a process and it wouldn't be just Biden that will say the word, this has to be decided by the Congress and not just solely by Biden.

The news flying every day on tv are all just destructions in Ukraine like its something new. We've seen alot worse destructions in the wars of middle east. No one bats an eye, no Reuters or BBC coming even to just flash images on tv.

No news these days talks about the nevotiations before the war. People will not seek the reason any more or whos fault. No tv station explains why Ukaine wants to Join NATO and why Russia oppose it. But some TV stations reports how many brothers were established overnight because of many sexy Ukrainian runaways.

Because if it's America that trying to invade a nation it's called a liberation but if other country does it's an act of aggression. Yosemite (pun intended)? You would just mbe surprised how media these days operate, we may never know how to spot the right from wrong.

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Quote from: Marvelman on March 06, 2022, 05:32:09 PM

Quote from: Erdogan on March 06, 2022, 04:09:29 PM

The conversation is about 1xbet, when it comes to who owns them and where they are registered, no one should have any doubts, unless you want to undermine the credibility of all sources presented on this forum and in internet.
It is clearly written everywhere that 1X Corp N.V. (owner of 1xbet) is a company from Cyprus.
So it is foolish to boycott a company that is not Russian, unless the purposes of the boycott are different than what you described in the topic and opening post.

Ps. If 1xStavka is website of 1X Corp N.V. it means that it still is website of company from Cyprus.

OK, I don't know if you have trouble reading or what? It is clear from the source you referred to that 1X Corp N.V. company filled for bankruptcy. What does it matter where it was registered if it is no longer operational?

PS You are confused. It wasn't me who wanted to undermine the credibility of the source but you.

It is important that 1X Corp N.V. (owner of 1xbet) was never Russian company.

So could you explain why you want to boycott a non-Russian company that, from what you say, doesn't even exist?

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on March 07, 2022, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: RILWAN on March 07, 2022, 08:07:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Well done to Russia. It's Biden's fault

How is it Biden fault for Russia invasion of Ukraine can you give out more information to support that claim, why are some people blaming US for this Rusia Ukraine war are.you guys expecting Biden to pronounce war against Russia for Ukraine invasion?

Can't say for sure on who's at fault over it but we don't know the real thing since they hide it publicly, some say it was just staged. I don't think that's what LEVSKI7 trying to portray for US to announce a war with Russia, it has to have a process and it wouldn't be just Biden that will say the word, this has to be decided by the Congress and not just solely by Biden.

The news flying every day on tv are all just destructions in Ukraine like its something new. We've seen alot worse destructions in the wars of middle east. No one bats an eye, no Reuters or BBC coming even to just flash images on tv.

No news these days talks about the nevotiations before the war. People will not seek the reason any more or whos fault. No tv station explains why Ukaine wants to Join NATO and why Russia oppose it. But some TV stations reports how many brothers were established overnight because of many sexy Ukrainian runaways.

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