Topic: Would you support a collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms? - page 43. (Read 6237 times)
March 03, 2022, 08:03:09 AM
I don't think it's the right idea, that's just a gambling platform so for me, I will continue to support a gambling site even if it's operating from Russia, but now 1xbit or 1xbet for sure as I am not using them due to their reputation. That's just my personal thoughts, we are free to do anything we want though.
March 03, 2022, 07:21:11 AM
I am not sure if boycotting would have an effect but I think if we are going to do something we should do it in good ways, not with boycotting or not buying products, etc. We can offer financial support to Ukraine or to its people rather than boycotting Russian gamlbing sites it has no effect and waste of time. As a gambler what I can do is to offer 10% of my winnings daily or weekly to donate to Ukraine I think that's much better.
Exactly and there is already an online donation through cryptocurrency, I have been against the call for boycott because the businesses are owned and operated by individuals who have no involvement with the Moscow invasion. There have been a lot of sections on Russian own businesses and even Chelsea football club is one of such Rusian origin football club which stands a sanction due to the Rusian Ukraine unrest. 
March 03, 2022, 07:09:48 AM
I believe we must think of this thoroughly first before coming to a decision because boycotting can affect so many people that are innocent and are also struggling to survive.
Why would boycotting several Russian casinos affect people who are "struggling to survive"? That doesn't make sense, and I think you're overanalyzing it.
So Boycotting is my stand also , and there is a thread created yesterday about the list of gambling from Russia .
March 03, 2022, 06:51:38 AM
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Thanks for this, I wasn't aware that the Russian online casinos are being owned by billionaires. You are right that probably most of the Russian oligarch have strong connections to the governments. As such boycotting the casinos will be another pressure point for the billionaires of losing money. That is also why many of the oligarchs are included personally in the sanctions against Russia. Increasing the pressure on their personal wealth is the strategy, so that they in return crease pressure on Putin to end the war.
That's exactly my point. These sanctions against oligarchs are the centerpiece of this pressure campaign, they will ultimately increase pressure on Putin to end this madness.
We shouldn't forget however, that there are normal people working on these casinos and boycotting them could lead to bankruptcy of the casinos. I am sure the average citizen in Russia doesn't want the war and for them losing their jobs is also a bad thing on top of economic downturn.
I agree. Not all Russians are responsible for the war, and the "little guy" is most likely to suffer the most from its consequences. However, many Russians do not even realize what is going on in Ukraine. They have been indoctrinated with Russian propaganda for years, and heavily censored media do not convey accurate information from the conflict area. If you live in Russia, it’s easier to be blindsided by false information, while listening to views from Moscow that are often divorced from reality. For instance, Russian President Vladimir Putin recently said Ukraine has been "taken over by fascist thugs" who want to "seize Kiev and eliminate Russian-speaking populations." This statement is logically absurd.
That's why I think it's important for people like us, to spread the word, in the hopes that people will become more aware of the facts and make informed decisions on their own.
I believe we must think of this thoroughly first before coming to a decision because boycotting can affect so many people that are innocent and are also struggling to survive.
Why would boycotting several Russian casinos affect people who are "struggling to survive"? That doesn't make sense, and I think you're overanalyzing it.
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March 03, 2022, 06:00:59 AM
Compared to the population of all gamblers to general population I think we can't have much effect in their economy if we managed to unite since only few percentages are gamblers. I think it will be more effective if we wouldn't buy goods or products we can see on stores that came from Russia, I think I see the list of it in Twitter.
It is their choice because if the goods from Russia are important for that person, they will still buy even if there is still a war.If other countries stop importing products or goods from Russia, maybe that will work as the Russian government can sell their product to other countries and they can feel difficult to sell at their country. To support the boycott or not, it will depend on each gambler but I am sure they already have their own favourite casinos to play gambling.
March 03, 2022, 04:43:01 AM
Compared to the population of all gamblers to general population I think we can't have much effect in their economy if we managed to unite since only few percentages are gamblers. I think it will be more effective if we wouldn't buy goods or products we can see on stores that came from Russia, I think I see the list of it in Twitter.
I think it's useless. I draw your attention to the fact that in addition to the countries of the "golden billion" that are now in information hysteria from this military operation, there are another 7 billion inhabitants of the planet, all of Africa, Latin America, most of Asia, including China, where people generally do not care how it goes operation, and many generally believe that all these are the consequences of US imperialist policy, they provoked the conflict. I don't think this would have happened under Trump.
And this Joe - the old senile is very old, he generally does not care about the fate of the world.
March 03, 2022, 04:42:04 AM
Compared to the population of all gamblers to general population I think we can't have much effect in their economy if we managed to unite since only few percentages are gamblers. I think it will be more effective if we wouldn't buy goods or products we can see on stores that came from Russia, I think I see the list of it in Twitter.
More efficient for what? To complicate the already difficult life of the russian citizens? A strange boycott offers Marvelman. Not because 1xBET and 1xBit have a dubious reputation, but because their owners are from the Russia. Maybe should stop doing nonsense and produce such topics?
March 03, 2022, 04:29:50 AM
Compared to the population of all gamblers to general population I think we can't have much effect in their economy if we managed to unite since only few percentages are gamblers. I think it will be more effective if we wouldn't buy goods or products we can see on stores that came from Russia, I think I see the list of it in Twitter.
March 03, 2022, 03:50:57 AM
I am neutral at this but from what I have seen at Linkedin,mostly European connections working in the IT area were posting a lot of posts with this meaning "To all the Russians and Belarussians out there,you won't get ANY business from us at all,ever",most of such connections are in Germany but I think it shows where it is going.Unfortunately the citizens have already started to see the consequences of the war which president of US,Biden said will be felt even more as time passes.
Sometimes I stop to wonder if Russia President Putin ever stop to consider the many negative impacts of this war on the Russian economy both the public and the private sectors, this devastating incident have shattered away what took the whole Russian Federation many years to build and I know things may not get back to normal again ever. I am not an expert on this, but I believe that Putin did not consider the economic consequences of his actions; he believes that the other country will go to war, as evidenced by the sending of troops, tanks, and other military equipment, rather than economic sanctions. At first, I thought that economic sanctions would have little effect on them or that they would be insignificant, but in the long run, I could see that Russia is struggling, which is a good thing because if all of the countries send troops, I am confident that a nuclear war will erupt.
They are relying on China now, as the majority of media reports, but I am not sure if this is true because I heard on the news that the pipeline going to Europe has not been closed, despite the fact that President Biden had said something about economic sanctions. It is already the seventh day, and there are still no signs of a halt. I'm not sure what to say, but we could see widespread support from civilians all over the world in support of or willingness to volunteer to go to war with Russia. I'm not sure why Putin is still not concerned about the sanctions, but I believe he has a contingency plan in place with his economy.
March 03, 2022, 03:35:50 AM
Russian military is harming the Ukraine soldiers sonthe whole world is now going to harm the Russian civilians, seems to be unfair and leaders are not getting bothered about the sanctions. I already expressed my opinion in other board so I don't want to bring the political discussion here, just want to remain don't harm people financially or physically.
March 03, 2022, 03:32:51 AM
Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?
Boycotting and sanctioning the greatest effect will be felt by citizens, unfortunately the people who wage war and finance it will not feel the impact too much, and it needs to be questioned whether by boycotting the Casino owned by the Russians will help Ukraine, I am worried if the steps taken will only make more people suffer and in no way affect Putin who declared war.
We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?
Maybe no one mentioned Yobit yet, Yobit was also Dice in their exchange so they could be included in the Casino category. March 03, 2022, 03:03:50 AM
Ops can you add a link to the source of the screenshot you shared thank you. Back to the discussion.
Moscow Ukraine invasion to a far extent is not a war but genocide, as the Russian President is using military weapons to destroy key infrastructure in Ukraine and a lot of civilians casualties, have been recorded over the past one week since the invasion started, the Russian people have been in solidarity with Ukraine but their government seems to have lost control and are overzealous to go to war because of the nuclear and military powers the excess display of such power without following due process will attract penalties from the international court of justice.
But the topic is just about boycotting sites, of course. This can be done emotionally. You may or may not do this. It's your personal choice.
I also think no one will notice the difference, because there will be those who, on the contrary, will access these sites, although they have not used them before.
So the balance will still be approximately preserved.
March 02, 2022, 04:36:29 PM
Most of the news that we get is from the west and anything that comes from Russia is unsure if it's really coming from them or it's already been changed and modified by any source that covers that.
I am not sure where you got that idea. There are many pro-Russian and pro-Kremlin media outlets online. And, of course, there is a massive propaganda machine in Russia to support their view of the world.
Keep in mind, though, there is no such thing as "free media" in Russia. All media is subject to state control.
The Russian federal organization responsible for controlling and censoring the media, Roskomnadzor, recently issued a statement [1] instructing the media to "only use information and data received from official Russian sources."
So, if you're already skeptical of Western media, you should be doubly skeptical of any media that is controlled by the same people who created this conflict.
[1] - https://rkn.gov.ru/news/rsoc/news74084.htm
Thank you, it's really making me think more about the authenticity of the news that comes here and there and that's why we have to validate news coming from any source.
March 02, 2022, 03:44:27 PM
above is an open letter from Abramovich to chelsea saying to hand over the chelsea loan money from him> to Ukraine. Abramovich is an example of a boycott by the UK government, it must have hurt him because his love for Chelsea had to be broken because of the war. The Russian government is the cause of war, their citizens are affected, I think it's very excessive (by boycotting the product and people coming from Russia)
Moscow Ukraine invasion to a far extent is not a war but genocide, as the Russian President is using military weapons to destroy key infrastructure in Ukraine and a lot of civilians casualties, have been recorded over the past one week since the invasion started, the Russian people have been in solidarity with Ukraine but their government seems to have lost control and are overzealous to go to war because of the nuclear and military powers the excess display of such power without following due process will attract penalties from the international court of justice.
March 02, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
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A big confect is there between the Russian people and their government. Their government arrested a number of people because they were protested against their government and wants them to stop the war again Ukrain. therefore we should protest and do boycott against their government and not against their innocent people.source: https://twitter.com/JoePompliano/status/1499092815569109004
above is an open letter from Abramovich to chelsea saying to hand over the chelsea loan money from him personally > to ukraine. Abramovich is an example of a boycott by the UK government, it must have really hurt him because his love for Chelsea had to be broken because of the war. The Russian government is the cause of war, their citizens are affected, i think it's very excessive (by boycotting the product and people coming from Russia)
March 02, 2022, 03:02:05 PM
Well to some extent the Russian citizens are not supporting the war according to the news so why then ban them, the war is political. Not as if Russia is at war with Ukraine but the military who are controlled by the government is involved in the war. I don't believe any civilian Russian citizen has carried arms to support the ongoing war. I may have a different opinion on the call to boycott Russian Businesses unless the one that has a direct connection with the government.
A big confect is there between the Russian people and their government. Their government arrested a number of people because they were protested against their government and wants them to stop the war again Ukrain. therefore we should protest and do boycott against their government and not against their innocents people. 
March 02, 2022, 12:51:10 PM
Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?
We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?
I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.
We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?
I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.
I don't really think it would be a nice idea to boycott the gambling platforms that are owned by Russian people because after all, not every Russian wants war. Perhaps there's only a very small population that wants their country and Ukraine to have a conflict because it either amuses them or the possibility of war happening in a long period of time will benefit them. And with this being said, maybe these people are the elites that won't be hurt as much if we boycott anything related to Russia. I believe we must think of this thoroughly first before coming to a decision because boycotting can affect so many people that are innocent and are also struggling to survive.
Its not really nice knowing that there are innocent people will be hit on this sanction but its one of the best thing to do temporarily since it could make realize the russian government that they are badly hit with those sanctions impose at them and for sure there business sector will badly react towards this implementation.
I will show my support on this and will revoke this decision once we see Russian government and troops stop this war and comeback on their country peacefully
Ukraine will now come easy. Russia made a wrong move!
March 02, 2022, 11:48:32 AM
Of course it's unfair.
All these sites are opened by ordinary people who simply have the ability to entrepreneurial activities and who have knowledge and skills in the IT field. Most of these sites have international devs teams, and by boycotting them you should understand that you are insulting international teams, which is generally wrong, but I’m generally disgusted.
All these sites are opened by ordinary people who simply have the ability to entrepreneurial activities and who have knowledge and skills in the IT field. Most of these sites have international devs teams, and by boycotting them you should understand that you are insulting international teams, which is generally wrong, but I’m generally disgusted.
Can you give me an example of a gambling website that operates from Russia and is run by ordinary people with entrepreneurial skills, as you say?
It's absurd to compare Russia with the rest of the free world. Russian legislation on gambling is extremely strict, and I believe that only a small number of platforms have gambling licenses there. With the exception of illegal, anonymous, online casinos, the vast majority of Russian casinos are associated with high-profile, wealthy individuals with strong political ties.
But that's again imposed by the government on the citizens who operate a gambling casino.
Almost all the people operating gambling casino would be ordinary people not having any direct relationships with the government of Russia.
I wonder how boycotting Russian gambling sites would benefit Ukraine or anybody else.
March 02, 2022, 11:38:11 AM
Boycott gambling sites won't have any effect on Russia. Swift stops operation in russia, and the whole western world is in a mood to boycott russia, in these times gambling sites means nothing at all.
This is not the war between Russia and Ukraine, it is more of a war between Russia and USA & alliances named as West. Ukraine is just used as a puppet and unfortunately, innocent Ukrainian people are paying the price for the war they never went in it, at the first place. The beneficial of this war is the US but I am confident that USA stands no chance of winning against Russia.
Just remember this time Russia, China and Pakistan will give a strong answer to USA. This time is different.
What are we achieving from this WAR?
This is not the war between Russia and Ukraine, it is more of a war between Russia and USA & alliances named as West. Ukraine is just used as a puppet and unfortunately, innocent Ukrainian people are paying the price for the war they never went in it, at the first place. The beneficial of this war is the US but I am confident that USA stands no chance of winning against Russia.
Just remember this time Russia, China and Pakistan will give a strong answer to USA. This time is different.
March 02, 2022, 08:36:35 AM
I am neutral at this but from what I have seen at Linkedin,mostly European connections working in the IT area were posting a lot of posts with this meaning "To all the Russians and Belarussians out there,you won't get ANY business from us at all,ever",most of such connections are in Germany but I think it shows where it is going.Unfortunately the citizens have already started to see the consequences of the war which president of US,Biden said will be felt even more as time passes.
Sometimes I stop to wonder if Russia President Putin ever stop to consider the many negative impacts of this war on the Russian economy both the public and the private sectors, this devastating incident have shattered away what took the whole Russian Federation many years to build and I know things may not get back to normal again ever. I am not an expert on this, but I believe that Putin did not consider the economic consequences of his actions; he believes that the other country will go to war, as evidenced by the sending of troops, tanks, and other military equipment, rather than economic sanctions. At first, I thought that economic sanctions would have little effect on them or that they would be insignificant, but in the long run, I could see that Russia is struggling, which is a good thing because if all of the countries send troops, I am confident that a nuclear war will erupt.
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