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Quote from: delfastTions on March 02, 2022, 05:38:53 AM

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Quote from: delfastTions on March 02, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

Of course it's unfair.
All these sites are opened by ordinary people who simply have the ability to entrepreneurial activities and who have knowledge and skills in the IT field. Most of these sites have international devs teams, and by boycotting them you should understand that you are insulting international teams, which is generally wrong, but I’m generally disgusted.

Can you give me an example of a gambling website that operates from Russia and is run by ordinary people with entrepreneurial skills, as you say?

It's absurd to compare Russia with the rest of the free world. Russian legislation on gambling is extremely strict, and I believe that only a small number of platforms have gambling licenses there. With the exception of illegal, anonymous, online casinos, the vast majority of Russian casinos are associated with high-profile, wealthy individuals with strong political ties.

Here is an example for you:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59399509

Thank you. 1XBET is exactly the type of casino I had in mind.

Here's an article you may find interesting. So I find it absurd that you consider Russian billionaire Roman Semiokhin or notorious Artur and Vadim Mildov, who are on Interpol's watch lists for their ties to organized crime, and/or the Russian mafia, ordinary people who simply have entrepreneurial abilities.

Quote from: delfastTions on March 02, 2022, 05:38:53 AM

Don't get hysterical about this.

You have nothing to worry about. I won't.

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What about a boycott of USA companies for invading Iraq and the arab spring? What about boycott for ukranians companies because they attacked Donetsk and they don't give the people their right to self determination? What about banning Spain companies because they don't let Catalunia as a independent country!? What about a boycott for France for what happens in Mali!? What about a boycott for China because of the Tibet?

What about a boycott for India and Pakistan because of the Kashmir conflicts?

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Quote from: FatFork on March 02, 2022, 02:52:31 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on March 02, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

Of course it's unfair.
All these sites are opened by ordinary people who simply have the ability to entrepreneurial activities and who have knowledge and skills in the IT field. Most of these sites have international devs teams, and by boycotting them you should understand that you are insulting international teams, which is generally wrong, but I’m generally disgusted.

Can you give me an example of a gambling website that operates from Russia and is run by ordinary people with entrepreneurial skills, as you say?

It's absurd to compare Russia with the rest of the free world. Russian legislation on gambling is extremely strict, and I believe that only a small number of platforms have gambling licenses there. With the exception of illegal, anonymous, online casinos, the vast majority of Russian casinos are associated with high-profile, wealthy individuals with strong political ties.

Here is an example for you:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59399509

In continuation of the discussion, I would like to note that not only Russia is the largest supplier of wheat in the world. Ukraine also had a large share of the wheat market last year. And it is not known how the sowing campaign will go in Ukraine and whether there will be a corresponding harvest? So all this threatens with a shortage of bread on world markets.

So the issue with the Russian casino owners who are proposed to be boycotted here is generally nonsense, not a question.
Don't get hysterical about this.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on March 02, 2022, 04:23:36 AM

I can't say that we should boycott the online russian casinos or not. Its not that only russia is starting the war, the Ukraine are equally responsible for intensify the overall situation.

Physical casinos in Russia can still operate since they are not the one that is being destroyed their country was the one destroying others but they would likely have less players due to the sanctions given by the other countries. Also, I am not sure if you know what you are saying but could you please tell why would the Ukraine is equally responsible to overall situation? Do they start the war? Do they threatened the Russia? as far as I know they are just planning to join the NATO?

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 04:19:25 PM

Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

The two casinos mentioned by you are already scam and no one should play there.
Also i am sure that due to war situation, it's highly possible that the physical casinos may either close or may fave very less attendance.
I can't say that we should boycott the online russian casinos or not. Its not that only russia is starting the war, the Ukraine are equally responsible for intensify the overall situation.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on March 01, 2022, 08:44:43 AM

Anything that currently finances the Russian state, which can effectively be considered all businesses in Russia and operating out of Russia for the state or for Russian investors/Businessmen can be and should be considered Russian state funds. Remember, Russia is NOT a democracy. The people have no rights, no freedom and certainly no vote. If Russian state decides they need your money, then thats their money now.

So in short, yes I would boycott Russian gambling platforms as well.

Indeed mate, those who supports this war must be Boycott and Banned , they are not for freedom but for territorial claims in which same as what China is Doing now.

Ukraine is a peaceful country and has been in the development before this invasion , so We will support all the movement towards hating what Russian is doing now.

Boycott the Gambling sites so please to all those concern , Put all the russian gambling that operates and advertised here in forum.

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I am neutral at this but from what I have seen at Linkedin,mostly European connections working in the IT area were posting a lot of posts with this meaning "To all the Russians and Belarussians out there,you won't get ANY business from us at all,ever",most of such connections are in Germany but I think it shows where it is going.Unfortunately the citizens have already started to see the consequences of the war which president of US,Biden said will be felt even more as the time passes.

Sometimes I stop to wonder if Russia President Putin ever stop to consider the many negative impacts of this war on the Russian economy both the public and the private sectors, this devastating incident have shattered away what took the whole Russian Federation many years to build and I know things may not get back to normal again ever.

I am not an expert on this, but I believe that Putin did not consider the economic consequences of his actions; he believes that the other country will go to war, as evidenced by the sending of troops, tanks, and other military equipment, rather than economic sanctions. At first, I thought that economic sanctions would have little effect on them or that they would be insignificant, but in the long run, I could see that Russia is struggling, which is a good thing because if all of the countries send troops, I am confident that a nuclear war will erupt.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 02, 2022, 03:21:54 AM

I am neutral at this but from what I have seen at Linkedin,mostly European connections working in the IT area were posting a lot of posts with this meaning "To all the Russians and Belarussians out there,you won't get ANY business from us at all,ever",most of such connections are in Germany but I think it shows where it is going.Unfortunately the citizens have already started to see the consequences of the war which president of US,Biden said will be felt even more as the time passes.

Sometimes I stop to wonder if Russia President Putin ever stop to consider the many negative impacts of this war on the Russian economy both the public and the private sectors, this devastating incident have shattered away what took the whole Russian Federation many years to build and I know things may not get back to normal again ever.

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Quote from: Wiwo on March 02, 2022, 03:15:37 AM

Well to some extent the Russian citizens are not supporting the war according to the news so why then ban them, the war is political. Not as if Russia is at war with Ukraine but the military who are controlled by the government is involved in the war. I don't believe any civilian Russian citizen has carried arms to support the ongoing war. I may have a different opinion on the call to boycott Russian Businesses unless the one that has a direct connection with the government.

That is the problem in Russia,there is no free media at first and of course the businesses are independent,at least they look so but let me take you an industry which they are heavily relied on to make money which is the grain,mainly wheat exports where Russia has been the nr 1 exporter in the world for the last couple of years,before it was the US.The government imposed tax on exports making the price of 1 ton go more the same amount as the tax was,so if the price of 1 ton was 300 USD and the tax was 80 USD,the price got to 380 USD,what I want to say with this that the government can interfere with any business there that they see fit.

I am neutral at this but from what I have seen at Linkedin,mostly European connections working in the IT area were posting a lot of posts with this meaning "To all the Russians and Belarussians out there,you won't get ANY business from us at all,ever",most of such connections are in Germany but I think it shows where it is going.Unfortunately the citizens have already started to see the consequences of the war which president of US,Biden said will be felt even more as the time passes.

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Well to some extent the Russian citizens are not supporting the war according to the news so why then ban them, the war is political. Not as if Russia is at war with Ukraine but the military who are controlled by the government is involved in the war. I don't believe any civilian Russian citizen has carried arms to support the ongoing war. I may have a different opinion on the call to boycott Russian Businesses unless the one that has a direct connection with the government.

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Quote from: Marvelman on March 01, 2022, 04:52:49 PM

Are you sure about that? According to online sources, 1XBET, and its subsidiaries, were founded by Russian billionaire Roman Semiokhin, Dmitry Kazorin, and Sergey Karshkov. Karshkov has government connections, having once worked for the Regional Ministry of Internal Affairs. Besides, It is well known that the oligarchs brought Putin to power, and that today he controls the oligarchs and, together, they control and exploit the criminal world to their mutual advantage.

edit: If you are interested in learning more about this topic, I suggest reading "The Vory: Russia's Super Mafia" by Mark Galeotti

Thanks for this, I wasn't aware that the Russian online casinos are being owned by billionaires. You are right that probably most of the Russian oligarch have strong connections to the governments. As such boycotting the casinos will be another pressure point for the billionaires of losing money. That is also why many of the oligarchs are included personally in the sanctions against Russia. Increasing the pressure on their personal wealth is the strategy, so that they in return crease pressure on Putin to end the war. We shouldn't forget however, that there are normal people working on these casinos and boycotting them could lead to bankruptcy of the casinos. I am sure the average citizen in Russia doesn't want the war and for them losing their jobs is also a bad thing on top of economic downturn.

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Quote from: delfastTions on March 02, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

Of course it's unfair.
All these sites are opened by ordinary people who simply have the ability to entrepreneurial activities and who have knowledge and skills in the IT field. Most of these sites have international devs teams, and by boycotting them you should understand that you are insulting international teams, which is generally wrong, but I’m generally disgusted.

Can you give me an example of a gambling website that operates from Russia and is run by ordinary people with entrepreneurial skills, as you say?

It's absurd to compare Russia with the rest of the free world. Russian legislation on gambling is extremely strict, and I believe that only a small number of platforms have gambling licenses there. With the exception of illegal, anonymous, online casinos, the vast majority of Russian casinos are associated with high-profile, wealthy individuals with strong political ties.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 02, 2022, 12:47:25 AM

Even though the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is still ongoing and many parties are still making boycotts about Russia, it is the same as what others have said before.
This is a business and most are individuals (in the sense that it does not refer to the government) although indeed gambling sites are not completely independent from the government but this is very unfair to civil society there.

Of course it's unfair.
All these sites are opened by ordinary people who simply have the ability to entrepreneurial activities and who have knowledge and skills in the IT field. Most of these sites have international devs teams, and by boycotting them you should understand that you are insulting international teams, which is generally wrong, but I’m generally disgusted.

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Even though the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is still ongoing and many parties are still making boycotts about Russia, it is the same as what others have said before.
This is a business and most are individuals (in the sense that it does not refer to the government) although indeed gambling sites are not completely independent from the government but this is very unfair to civil society there.
Politics and governments that do this do not mean that their civilians should also be affected. In Russia there are also many people who definitely don't want something like this to happen. So, don't let mistakes made at one point cause losses in all areas. It's not that I support what Russia is doing at the moment, but indeed on the other hand we also have to think about other things, not just war and government politics.

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 01, 2022, 01:11:37 PM

Being a Russian is definitely not a crime as people are saying here, am from Ukraine but the essential part is : Making sure there is literally nothing that's increasing the economic value of Russia at the moment because at the end of the day, they have to cut all the money going there with Belarus as well trying to Join the war, the situation is dire. Therefore I do think it won't be a bad idea to block the Russian websites at the moment. There are other Gambling alternatives that you can use. You can also check for the online book makers as well. It is hard to track Russian sites I understand but boycotting or no, let's see what's going to happen.

I think we should not underestimate the economic value of Russia. Many fossil natural materials are mined in its vast territory. At the same time, there are quite unique ones, and in the event of a boycott of Russia on the world market, their prices will increase many times over. The same gas for Europe. All this will greatly accelerate inflation, which is not good.
And whether or not to boycott sites from Russia does not matter at all. This empty worthless stupidity

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 04:19:25 PM

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

Without this war, these two sites and also other similar platforms are accused of scammers. So, why should use them?

This war has had a very negative impact, not only on Ukraine but also on the Russians. This may be the conflict between the stakeholders, officials, or government in the country, as well as various political or other interests from both parties.
And again the victims are citizens, both from Ukraine and Russia. As long as both are still with their own interests and their unwillingness to make peace, then this conflict and war will continue and even get worse.

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Both of the gambling website mentioned are somehow being boycotted by the forum DT's itself as they are known scammers. I don't even know why they are allowed on this platform even having that much of a bad reputation.

As per the boycott, I don't agree with this action as the gambling platforms or casinos are not the one involved on this conflict but rather it's their government. I might change my mind if they start sponsoring or providing assistance with their government to gain more edge on this conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 28, 2022, 05:26:25 PM

...the Russian government and their military are without a doubt committing a criminal act and as such they need to be punished, however why every single person living at Russia needs to suffer as well?

You're putting words in my mouth. I have never said that every single person living in Russia needs to suffer.

Quote from: Mauser on March 01, 2022, 02:36:59 AM

It's not like the Russian casinos are run by Putin himself.

Quote from: Cookdata on March 01, 2022, 03:52:48 PM

...If intervention is by boycotting Russian casinos, did presidency owned them?

Are you sure about that? According to online sources, 1XBET, and its subsidiaries, were founded by Russian billionaire Roman Semiokhin, Dmitry Kazorin, and Sergey Karshkov. Karshkov has government connections, having once worked for the Regional Ministry of Internal Affairs. Besides, It is well known that the oligarchs brought Putin to power, and that today he controls the oligarchs and, together, they control and exploit the criminal world to their mutual advantage.

edit: If you are interested in learning more about this topic, I suggest reading "The Vory: Russia's Super Mafia" by Mark Galeotti

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Quote from: Marvelman on March 01, 2022, 03:04:07 PM

I can't believe you think that way. If you saw a bully attacking a weaker kid in the schoolyard, would you not intervene?

I don't know much about the history and I don't want to change the topic of discussion but Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons to Russia for a reason, you can't sign a deal and want to change it afterwards, If intervention is by boycotting Russian casinos, did presidency owned them? it still doesn't make sense for the poor to suffer at the hands of political decisions, both Russia and Ukraine need to end it.

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Putin cannot be the only responsible party, he could not have done all this by himself. You can learn more about State responsibility under International law here.

Putin is a leader but of course surrounded by a round table that makes decisions but casino or any other business didn't order the invasion of Ukraine, they are already suffering from inflation and other sanctions.

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