Would you support a collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms? - page 45.

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Quote from: mindrust on March 01, 2022, 01:24:27 PM

Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 05:19:25 PM

Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

I wouldn't support that. First of all, how do we know that these casinos are Putin supporters or not? Maybe they don't like Putin at all. This whole thing is becoming a Nazi campaign. Being a Russian is not a crime. I see news people beating up other people just because they are Russians. These stuff will only make the situation worse. If we follow this same logic, we should boycott all the German companies too because they let Hitler rise in power.

I wouldnt also support this thing too on which there are some generalization speaking on what nationality you do have which it isnt right that those business would be affected and its true that they are running off a business on a particular country but doesnt mean that they do always agree nor follows. Business is business and it has nothing to do nor being attached with these things.
As for 1xbit then it already have bad reputation on this forum which it isnt really needed for such manner.

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I apologize, I didn't expect so many replies in such a short amount of time. I will try to respond to those who directly referred to my post.

Quote from: GamblingBro on February 28, 2022, 05:01:37 AM

Instead of boycotting any Russian online services (which will only harm the businesses and people that are not supporting the war), it might be a better idea to focus your intentions on supporting the Ukrainian civilians, that are in need of food and petrol.

I agree, that would be better. Unfortunately, there is more than a 1,000 km between me and the nearest Ukrainian border so I can't just go there and help. I am however collecting donations for local Red Cross and I'm offering accommodation for refugees, if needed. I think every good deed counts, no matter how small.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on February 28, 2022, 01:45:58 PM

I guess the compromise to this kind of situation is just to avoid, for the time being, associating yourself with these websites until everything gets resolved.

What do you mean by "avoid associating yourself with these websites"? If you mean to avoid using their services, that's exactly what I suggested.

Quote from: Cookdata on February 28, 2022, 03:16:38 PM

If you are unaffected by war, you should not take sides and instead appeal for peace between the sides.
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I can't believe you think that way. If you saw a bully attacking a weaker kid in the schoolyard, would you not intervene?

Quote from: Cookdata on February 28, 2022, 03:16:38 PM

...Besides, Putin is the one that triggered the war, he is the one to be blamed and not any function casino from Russia.

Putin cannot be the only responsible party, he could not have done all this by himself. You can learn more about State responsibility under International law here.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on February 28, 2022, 05:20:05 AM

After all, the boycott has reasons for doing so, so what are your reasons for boycotting gambling sites operating in Russia, What if Russian supporters oppose your boycott, this forum is democracy/freedom, don't think in this forum everyone supports Ukraine, you can boycott but not in this forum, but in your region live with your support, our country a lot in this forum, thoughts are also different.

I don't understand your reasoning. You say this forum is about democracy / freedom, but I'm not allowed to invite forum members to the collective boycott of Russian casinos? That's not democracy and freedom then.

I did not say that boycotting should be mandatory or that everyone should participate. I simply expressed my personal opinion and asked for other members' opinions on the subject.

Quote from: YOSHIE on February 28, 2022, 05:20:05 AM

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15 Russian betting sites
• Liga Stavok
• 1xBet
• Winline
• BetCity
• 888 (no relation to 888.com)
• Fonbet
• Olympus
• Baltbet
• Leon
• BingoBoom
• PariMatch
• Marathon
• Zenit
• Bwin

Thanks for this information. I'll check out these websites and add them to the OP.

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Being a Russian is definitely not a crime as people are saying here, am from Ukraine but the essential part is : Making sure there is literally nothing that's increasing the economic value of Russia at the moment because at the end of the day, they have to cut all the money going there with Belarus as well trying to Join the war, the situation is dire. Therefore I do think it won't be a bad idea to block the Russian websites at the moment. There are other Gambling alternatives that you can use. You can also check for the online book makers as well. It is hard to track Russian sites I understand but boycotting or no, let's see what's going to happen.

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Both the platforms are boycotted by me already by default. Because both of these sites are most likely sister site and operated by the same scammer. They have huge bad records from the past.
Anyway, back to the topic, I don't know which site is Russian and which isn’t. I would be as I'm right now to be honest.

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 05:19:25 PM

Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

I wouldn't support that. First of all, how do we know that these casinos are Putin supporters or not? Maybe they don't like Putin at all. This whole thing is becoming a Nazi campaign. Being a Russian is not a crime. I see news people beating up other people just because they are Russians. These stuff will only make the situation worse. If we follow this same logic, we should boycott all the German companies too because they let Hitler rise in power.

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We know Ukraine needs all the support, but the common man in the street of Russia would feel the boycott. Putin and his cronies would always have enough. Think about the millions of people that would loose their sources of income if we boycott Russia.

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Quote from: Saisher on March 01, 2022, 09:29:30 AM

I'll go for the boycott if you are updated on the news you will read and see that many sporting events are banning Russia in their events so why not support the boycott against Russia, so Russians will urge their government to ask strongly to their government that they stop the aggressions against Ukraine if Russians feel the impact of the ban and boycott the government will think of stopping the aggression so far I'm not playing in Russian gambling platform but if I have one I will boycott too.

Boycott of gambling in Russia won't play a major role even sports at large may not stop putin has been stripped off his black belt from the Taekwondo but it has not made any difference so far. The economic sanction is the biggest of the sanctions that can affect Putin and that is because it will put hardship on Russians. The war has entered 6th day and running, gambling boycott won't get anywhere to stop him.

The sanctions imposed by several countries against Russia made their currency plummet to its lowest level in history. This proves that the sanctions are very severe, even all sports competitions from Russia have been disqualified for an indefinite period of time due to aggression against Ukraine. Many countries have criticized and about gambling, I never gamble located in Russia because I don't know, but whether this plays a big role or not gambling from Russia is not very well known, (to me)

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Quote from: Saisher on March 01, 2022, 09:29:30 AM

I'll go for the boycott if you are updated on the news you will read and see that many sporting events are banning Russia in their events so why not support the boycott against Russia, so Russians will urge their government to ask strongly to their government that they stop the aggressions against Ukraine if Russians feel the impact of the ban and boycott the government will think of stopping the aggression so far I'm not playing in Russian gambling platform but if I have one I will boycott too.

Boycott of gambling in Russia won't play a major role even sports at large may not stop putin has been stripped off his black belt from the Taekwondo but it has not made any difference so far. The economic sanction is the biggest of the sanctions that can affect Putin and that is because it will put hardship on Russians. The war has entered 6th day and running, gambling boycott won't get anywhere to stop him.

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Quote from: Fortify on March 01, 2022, 11:33:33 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on March 01, 2022, 09:44:43 AM

Anything that currently finances the Russian state, which can effectively be considered all businesses in Russia and operating out of Russia for the state or for Russian investors/Businessmen can be and should be considered Russian state funds. Remember, Russia is NOT a democracy. The people have no rights, no freedom and certainly no vote. If Russian state decides they need your money, then thats their money now.

So in short, yes I would boycott Russian gambling platforms as well.

It's a tricky one because you run the risk of alienating all Russian people and that potentially makes them think that Putin is the only option. At present it looks like the EU and USA are going for total economic warfare with all the recent moves, it might be the only way to dislodge the Russian President. Unfortunately the war in Ukraine is completely unjustified and they were never a threat to Russia, just an example of a possible successful democratic country showing the last two decades have made no progress under the oligarch driven and corrupt alternative.

Well, we cannot afford to hope on the Russian people. If by now they haven't started a revolt, it might never come. Especially since this is Ukraine we are talking about, their "brother nation". You would think people would be much angrier..

If anything, economic and other forms of isolation of the Russian people will be the fuel needed to spark that anger deeper, if a revolt is what you are hoping for.

Any former soviet nation that decides to join the western world is a threat to Russia, because it takes Russia's power away.

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Boycotting gambling platforms won't do damage at all, who would play in times of war and on high alert levels? I think a sanction that could hit Russian hard will be related to food. If somehow all exporters from different countries around the world pust sanctions, it will have a minimal and slow effect. I know winter is far and they could've prepared ahead. Downside is, maybe it would be too late to wait for them to starve, by that time they could've destroyed Ukraine and the war has stopped or escalated in another war. At least try everything we've got, some of the leaders around the world do not, because they could benefit from this. World powers sit and enjoy the slaughter and whatever remains they are left with the most power and untouched right? Means they are playing a safe side, and whatever happens to Ukraine is none of their business I guess.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on March 01, 2022, 09:44:43 AM

Anything that currently finances the Russian state, which can effectively be considered all businesses in Russia and operating out of Russia for the state or for Russian investors/Businessmen can be and should be considered Russian state funds. Remember, Russia is NOT a democracy. The people have no rights, no freedom and certainly no vote. If Russian state decides they need your money, then thats their money now.

So in short, yes I would boycott Russian gambling platforms as well.

It's a tricky one because you run the risk of alienating all Russian people and that potentially makes them think that Putin is the only option. At present it looks like the EU and USA are going for total economic warfare with all the recent moves, it might be the only way to dislodge the Russian President. Unfortunately the war in Ukraine is completely unjustified and they were never a threat to Russia, just an example of a possible successful democratic country showing the last two decades have made no progress under the oligarch driven and corrupt alternative.

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Anything that currently finances the Russian state, which can effectively be considered all businesses in Russia and operating out of Russia for the state or for Russian investors/Businessmen can be and should be considered Russian state funds. Remember, Russia is NOT a democracy. The people have no rights, no freedom and certainly no vote. If Russian state decides they need your money, then thats their money now.

So in short, yes I would boycott Russian gambling platforms as well.

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Quote from: swogerino on March 01, 2022, 08:16:46 AM

I agree with you but there is no way that they can sanction Putin,his generals and let the common population out of the sanctions...

It would be a very difficult thing to do, I agree.

Quote from: swogerino on March 01, 2022, 08:16:46 AM

that would not make sense.

Sanctioning only those who are responsible would make sense, but as said previously, it's an almost impossible task.

Quote from: swogerino on March 01, 2022, 08:16:46 AM

By putting sanctions to all Russian population,innocent or not they have to stand up for their rights and overthrow Putin and his bloodshed regime.Only Russian population is key to overthrow Putin if they all stand up together and go en mass to protest

The West is hoping that the change will come from within and that's the best way to do it. No one wants to wage war against a madman with access to nuclear weapons and such a fragile mind. I think the Russians are still far away from mass protests. They have unfortunately lived under tyranny for way too long, and I am not just talking about the Putin administration. Fear is a powerful tool of control.

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I'll go for the boycott if you are updated on the news you will read and see that many sporting events are banning Russia in their events so why not support the boycott against Russia, so Russians will urge their government to ask strongly to their government that they stop the aggressions against Ukraine if Russians feel the impact of the ban and boycott the government will think of stopping the aggression so far I'm not playing in Russian gambling platform but if I have one I will boycott too.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on March 01, 2022, 05:59:38 AM

Most of the news that we get is from the west and anything that comes from Russia is unsure if it's really coming from them or it's already been changed and modified by any source that covers that.

I am not sure where you got that idea. There are many pro-Russian and pro-Kremlin media outlets online. And, of course, there is a massive propaganda machine in Russia to support their view of the world.

Keep in mind, though, there is no such thing as "free media" in Russia. All media is subject to state control.
The Russian federal organization responsible for controlling and censoring the media, Roskomnadzor, recently issued a statement ^[1] instructing the media to "only use information and data received from official Russian sources."

So, if you're already skeptical of Western media, you should be doubly skeptical of any media that is controlled by the same people who created this conflict.

[1] - https://rkn.gov.ru/news/rsoc/news74084.htm

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Quote from: Pmalek on March 01, 2022, 06:26:45 AM

You shouldn't play on 1xBit anyways, war or no war because of their track record of scamming people. I would not support anything that goes against innocent Russian citizens who haven't done anything wrong, but are now under sanctions. I would like to emphasize the word innocent. Out of +140 million Russians, the majority don't want this war. They are ashamed, terrified, and don't know what to do. No one asked them if they wanted to invade and kill Ukrainians. Putin, his generals, and his regime do whatever they feel like.

Sanction the regime, the army, and everything and everyone close to Putin. Don't blame the common man.

I agree with you but there is no way that they can sanction Putin,his generals and let the common population out of the sanctions,that would not make sense.By putting sanctions to all Russian population,innocent or not they have to stand up for their rights and overthrow Putin and his bloodshed regime.Only Russian population is key to overthrow Putin if they all stand up together and go en mass to protest and I know the law there that who protests is treachery against mother Russia but there is no other way.The civilians are now starting to suffer the consequences and should stand up,they are 144 million or a bit more and it is impossible for Putin or any government to stop the will of the population,how many dictators were overthrown from power because of the civilians,a lot and most of them had in common one thing,they were communists and Putin is acting like one so it is time to stop this crazy son of a bitch.

Blaming the common man in this scenario from Western powers is a necessary evil which should wake up the sleeping Russian civilians which have done nothing to stop this war and they have a lot in hand to stop this madness.

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 05:19:25 PM

Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

That gambling website has a bad reputation, I'm pretty majority of the members in this forum doesn't use their service anyway.
Now, If we keep on sanctioning Russia, that literally almost everything we put sanctions to Russia, It will be the people of Russia is going to suffer not their leader. So, in that case not only does the Ukrainian suffers but also Russians. Imagine If you're Russian that lived in US or some parts of the world where they put heavy sanctions on Russia. That person might live miserably during this time of war.
I'm not supporting Russia, but I pity those Russian people doesn't want this to happen.
We should also consider in putting selective sanctions that won't heavily affect the lives of innocent people of Russia.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 01, 2022, 06:34:34 AM

Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 05:19:25 PM

Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

I don't really think it would be a nice idea to boycott the gambling platforms that are owned by Russian people because after all, not every Russian wants war. Perhaps there's only a very small population that wants their country and Ukraine to have a conflict because it either amuses them or the possibility of war happening in a long period of time will benefit them. And with this being said, maybe these people are the elites that won't be hurt as much if we boycott anything related to Russia. I believe we must think of this thoroughly first before coming to a decision because boycotting can affect so many people that are innocent and are also struggling to survive.

Its not really nice knowing that there are innocent people will be hit on this sanction but its one of the best thing to do temporarily since it could make realize the russian government that they are badly hit with those sanctions impose at them and for sure there business sector will badly react towards this implementation.

I will show my support on this and will revoke this decision once we see Russian government and troops stop this war and comeback on their country peacefully

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Quote from: Marvelman on February 27, 2022, 05:19:25 PM

Considering the current events in Ukraine and the open aggression from Russia, what are your thoughts on the collective boycott of all Russian gambling platforms in support of Ukraine?

We know that 1xBET and 1xBit are owned by Russians. Do you know any more? Could we make a list of all Russian-owned casinos?

I'd love to support an initiative to help Ukraine! I think it would be great if we all raised our voices together and supported it.

I don't really think it would be a nice idea to boycott the gambling platforms that are owned by Russian people because after all, not every Russian wants war. Perhaps there's only a very small population that wants their country and Ukraine to have a conflict because it either amuses them or the possibility of war happening in a long period of time will benefit them. And with this being said, maybe these people are the elites that won't be hurt as much if we boycott anything related to Russia. I believe we must think of this thoroughly first before coming to a decision because boycotting can affect so many people that are innocent and are also struggling to survive.

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