Would you use a VPN on a casino, even if it is not allowed in their ToS?

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Quote from: Solosanz on July 22, 2023, 05:57:22 AM

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The user can use VPN upon creating a new account and always using VPN with the same country when they want to access the site, this make the casino will not know if the user is using VPN.

Even the casino flagged the account for using VPN, he can lie by saying he's travel to other country and photoshopped the passport.

If the casino didn't crosscheck the information with the local government, they wouldn't know.

As mentioned before, the casino would be able to know there is a VPN being used, because there are lists of known IPs coming from VPNs.

Basically, it's the same way that Netflix and others detect that the user is behind a VPN.

You don't need any information from the user other than the IP address to know they might be using a VPN.

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Quote from: nullama on July 22, 2023, 05:00:42 AM

So, this is independent of a matching KYC, they simply need to check the country of the IP they are serving. Since they cannot establish that when a VPN is detected, then they simply ban the use of VPNs.

The user can use VPN upon creating a new account and always using VPN with the same country when they want to access the site, this make the casino will not know if the user is using VPN.

Even the casino flagged the account for using VPN, he can lie by saying he's travel to other country and photoshopped the passport.

If the casino didn't crosscheck the information with the local government, they wouldn't know.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 20, 2023, 05:41:46 PM

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Well, for some casinos, this is probably hard for them to figure out, most especially if the casino is pretty new and coming up, the only ways they are able to figure out a user is or has been using VPN is when the ask such user to pass kyc verification, and discover that the location their system has recorded for the user through his or her IP address is not the same location in the document the user provided.
Another way again is that if the user is not consistent in making VPN, or makes use of different VPN services for different sessions on the casino, this will be linking the user to different IPs which in turn will make the casino want to investigate the reason for the different IPs, from this investigation, they will find out that such a user is making use of VPN to access their platform..

Yet another way, and this i believe to be the most simplest way, is by the casino installing a VPN dictator, this piece of tech and easily detect when a user is accessing the casino through VPN and immediately report to the casino.

The thing is that casinos are not allowed to serve users of certain countries.

So, this is independent of a matching KYC, they simply need to check the country of the IP they are serving. Since they cannot establish that when a VPN is detected, then they simply ban the use of VPNs.

There are services that provide a list of IPs that are being used in VPNs so they can detect it that way.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

I know this is a bit controversial, but some casinos are looking the other way... when people are using VPNs. I know it might be legal in some instances, but you are still taking a risk by using it.

Online gambling is legal in my country, but sometimes I have to travel to a country where it is illegal. I then use a VPN to be able to access the site. This is one of the reasons why some casinos allow people to use VPNs..... but you are still taking a huge risk.

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

If you know the right thing do it, yes I said that because going against the policy of a platform is considered wrong and sometimes comes with a very big disadvantage, sometimes these online sites have there different ways of punishing customers who go against their TOS that does not accept the use of VPN, so it would be at your own risk if an online site does not permit the use of VPN and you go against it because you might be able to make deposit, stake on games but might find it difficult to make withdrawals due to a bridge in their policy.

I've seen situation where people violate the terms and conditions of online gambling platform and also called them with backlash when they're being punished or frustrated by the platforms, the thing is violating a platforms TOS warrant punishment and no matter how you call them out when you're unable to withdraw your funds or asked to provide frustrating documents before withdrawals they'll always get the upper hand so far you're guilty so it best to avoid going against a companies TOS or risk being punished severely.

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Quote from: kamvreto on July 20, 2023, 05:11:25 PM

Quote from: maydna on July 20, 2023, 06:01:32 AM

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The fake news that is spread will give the casino a bad rating, even though they have violated it due to the use of VPN which is not allowed. Sometimes in addition to other regulations regarding withdrawal regulations that must use KYC it will also be problematic because new users don't read carefully about the rules made in casinos. New casinos may still make concessions to some regulations, this is so that users are not too burdened with existing regulations. Regulations will indeed continue to bear fruit without any notification and that is the policy of every casino.

But if the fake news is aimed at a trusted casino, then the fake news will have no effect. The people who spread the fake news will experience bad things, especially if the casino can provide valid evidence that the person has done things contrary to the casino rules. People will defend that trusted casino because they see that a trusted casino will not do things that could harm the reputation of that trusted casino. For this reason, as a beginner, we must know the rules of the casino that we use to play gambling because each casino's rules are different. Do not let small things get our gambling accounts blocked and that is because of our own mistakes.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 20, 2023, 06:54:53 PM

~snip~If it is written on the TOS, it should be followed regardless of the players who are registering on the site. If the TOS require KYC then the player must abide by the rule since they had agreed on the TOS the moment they clicked the notification that they read and agreed with the terms of the casino and registered to the site. There is no excuse that they failed to read it since they have been notified beforehand.

The ToS regarding KYC is indeed a sensitive matter. If a casino already requires KYC to make withdrawals or then it must be complied with. But of course there is a minimum withdrawal that requires KYC, because some casinos don't want to lose all their customers by fully implementing KYC for new users. and regarding the use of a VPN, even though it is written in the ToS there are several casinos that I use allow the use of a VPN even though it is prohibited in writing, I was even contacted directly. this is probably because I'm a new user and the casino is still just released.

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Quote from: kamvreto on July 20, 2023, 05:11:25 PM

Quote from: maydna on July 20, 2023, 06:01:32 AM

This can deter some gamblers from following gamblers who break the rules of the casino, but other gamblers, won't be deterred and instead want to try it themselves. But when they get into trouble for using a VPN, which is a violation as written in the casino rules, they will start complaining and spreading false news as if they were innocent. This is common in many casinos; in this case, the user is already at fault for breaking the casino rules. New casinos may not make their rules so detailed and may still allow their users to use VPNs, but users should be careful because new casinos can change their rules without notifying their users.

The fake news that is spread will give the casino a bad rating, even though they have violated it due to the use of VPN which is not allowed.

Isn't it fake news? Meaning it is not true so I do not think that news to dimerit a casino will ever make a casino in a bad rating as long as the casino had established a fact that they are right and that the player breach their TOS. That is enough to redeem the casino out of this fake news.

Quote from: kamvreto on July 20, 2023, 05:11:25 PM

Sometimes in addition to other regulations regarding withdrawal regulations that must use KYC it will also be problematic because new users don't read carefully about the rules made in casinos. New casinos may still make concessions to some regulations, this is so that users are not too burdened with existing regulations. Regulations will indeed continue to bear fruit without any notification and that is the policy of every casino.

If it is written on the TOS, it should be followed regardless of the players who are registering on the site. If the TOS require KYC then the player must abide by the rule since they had agreed on the TOS the moment they clicked the notification that they read and agreed with the terms of the casino and registered to the site. There is no excuse that they failed to read it since they have been notified beforehand.

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Quote from: nullama on July 18, 2023, 08:56:37 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on July 09, 2023, 05:55:37 AM

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It depends on the VPN service you have used, how can the casino distinguish between IP address with and without VPN? of course it's because how far the change of your IP address. This day the VPN service use Germany location, tomorrow the VPN service use France location, the next two days the VPN service use Japan location, this is clear a red flag in your account.

But if you use a premium VPN service where you're allowed to choose which country and which city you want to connect, it make the casino wouldn't know if you're use VPN.

Well, there are some ways to guess that the user is using a VPN service, because most VPN services that are available to the public only have a set of IPs available to them, so once they figure out one IP is a VPN, then any future users of that VPN getting that IP will be "discovered"

Well, for some casinos, this is probably hard for them to figure out, most especially if the casino is pretty new and coming up, the only ways they are able to figure out a user is or has been using VPN is when the ask such user to pass kyc verification, and discover that the location their system has recorded for the user through his or her IP address is not the same location in the document the user provided.
Another way again is that if the user is not consistent in making VPN, or makes use of different VPN services for different sessions on the casino, this will be linking the user to different IPs which in turn will make the casino want to investigate the reason for the different IPs, from this investigation, they will find out that such a user is making use of VPN to access their platform..

Yet another way, and this i believe to be the most simplest way, is by the casino installing a VPN dictator, this piece of tech and easily detect when a user is accessing the casino through VPN and immediately report to the casino.

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Quote from: maydna on July 20, 2023, 06:01:32 AM

This can deter some gamblers from following gamblers who break the rules of the casino, but other gamblers, won't be deterred and instead want to try it themselves. But when they get into trouble for using a VPN, which is a violation as written in the casino rules, they will start complaining and spreading false news as if they were innocent. This is common in many casinos; in this case, the user is already at fault for breaking the casino rules. New casinos may not make their rules so detailed and may still allow their users to use VPNs, but users should be careful because new casinos can change their rules without notifying their users.

The fake news that is spread will give the casino a bad rating, even though they have violated it due to the use of VPN which is not allowed. Sometimes in addition to other regulations regarding withdrawal regulations that must use KYC it will also be problematic because new users don't read carefully about the rules made in casinos. New casinos may still make concessions to some regulations, this is so that users are not too burdened with existing regulations. Regulations will indeed continue to bear fruit without any notification and that is the policy of every casino.

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Quote from: piebeyb on July 19, 2023, 09:47:03 AM

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Sometimes the VPN is not completely anonymous and your real IP will be seen too as far as I know if you use a public and free VPN obviously it will be problematic too because maybe the VPN IP is also used by other people to access the same site so it is detected that you are doing multiple accounts, that's why maybe the reason using a VPN is too dangerous for a gambling account too unless you buy with a premium account maybe it's safer.

I have never tried using a VPN to access gambling sites because I am not an anonymous person, so as long as the site is trusted, why not access it with a real IP, sometimes there are gamblers who don't want the IP they are using to be seen, whether it's because of privacy or they want to play cheating but don't want to. detected from other crimes. why do you have to use a VPN if you can use a real IP to play gambling.

No.

You don't know why VPNs are banned

It's because they cannot establish your country of origin through IP. That's it.

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Quote from: kamvreto on July 19, 2023, 09:20:50 AM

Quote from: maydna on July 19, 2023, 08:26:56 AM

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The deterrent effect will of course warn other gamblers not to use a VPN or violate the ToS that has been made. Trusted legal casinos will usually apply their rules according to the ToS that have been made and will not violate them. But some new casinos that don't have clarity sometimes allow members from banned countries to find new users to register and play at their casino. But if the casino is serious and wants to cover other countries using multiple domains will make it easy to access and warnings or official domain information will be posted on their social media.

This can deter some gamblers from following gamblers who break the rules of the casino, but other gamblers, won't be deterred and instead want to try it themselves. But when they get into trouble for using a VPN, which is a violation as written in the casino rules, they will start complaining and spreading false news as if they were innocent. This is common in many casinos; in this case, the user is already at fault for breaking the casino rules. New casinos may not make their rules so detailed and may still allow their users to use VPNs, but users should be careful because new casinos can change their rules without notifying their users.

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Quote from: nullama on July 18, 2023, 08:56:37 AM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on July 09, 2023, 05:55:37 AM

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It depends on the VPN service you have used, how can the casino distinguish between IP address with and without VPN? of course it's because how far the change of your IP address. This day the VPN service use Germany location, tomorrow the VPN service use France location, the next two days the VPN service use Japan location, this is clear a red flag in your account.

But if you use a premium VPN service where you're allowed to choose which country and which city you want to connect, it make the casino wouldn't know if you're use VPN.

Well, there are some ways to guess that the user is using a VPN service, because most VPN services that are available to the public only have a set of IPs available to them, so once they figure out one IP is a VPN, then any future users of that VPN getting that IP will be "discovered"

Sometimes the VPN is not completely anonymous and your real IP will be seen too as far as I know if you use a public and free VPN obviously it will be problematic too because maybe the VPN IP is also used by other people to access the same site so it is detected that you are doing multiple accounts, that's why maybe the reason using a VPN is too dangerous for a gambling account too unless you buy with a premium account maybe it's safer.

I have never tried using a VPN to access gambling sites because I am not an anonymous person, so as long as the site is trusted, why not access it with a real IP, sometimes there are gamblers who don't want the IP they are using to be seen, whether it's because of privacy or they want to play cheating but don't want to. detected from other crimes. why do you have to use a VPN if you can use a real IP to play gambling.

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Quote from: maydna on July 18, 2023, 10:43:25 AM

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Withdrawing his winnings seem very considerate but some casino just allow them to withdraw what they deposit. I think we have seen these happen every time there is a scam accusation where the user did something against the TOS. Its often just what was deposited as allowed to be withdrawn.

I'm not sure if authorities will find it illegal when casinos have lots of domain to mirror their website so that users from countries where gambling is illegal don't have to use VPN.

Because the casino caught the cheating gambler, the casino would not allow him to withdraw all his money. Apart from that, casinos also provide a deterrent effect to other gamblers so they don't follow what the cheating gambler is doing.

If a casino has multiple domains, it may be a mirror if gamblers from different countries cannot access one of the domains. And with that many domains, gamblers can still visit the casino. Apart from that, trusted casinos also always tell their members to follow the official domain and include the mirror domain if they cannot access the official domain.

The deterrent effect will of course warn other gamblers not to use a VPN or violate the ToS that has been made. Trusted legal casinos will usually apply their rules according to the ToS that have been made and will not violate them. But some new casinos that don't have clarity sometimes allow members from banned countries to find new users to register and play at their casino. But if the casino is serious and wants to cover other countries using multiple domains will make it easy to access and warnings or official domain information will be posted on their social media.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 18, 2023, 12:28:48 PM

Quote from: maydna on July 18, 2023, 10:43:25 AM

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Withdrawing his winnings seem very considerate but some casino just allow them to withdraw what they deposit. I think we have seen these happen every time there is a scam accusation where the user did something against the TOS. Its often just what was deposited as allowed to be withdrawn.

I'm not sure if authorities will find it illegal when casinos have lots of domain to mirror their website so that users from countries where gambling is illegal don't have to use VPN.

Because the casino caught the cheating gambler, the casino would not allow him to withdraw all his money. Apart from that, casinos also provide a deterrent effect to other gamblers so they don't follow what the cheating gambler is doing.

If a casino has multiple domains, it may be a mirror if gamblers from different countries cannot access one of the domains. And with that many domains, gamblers can still visit the casino. Apart from that, trusted casinos also always tell their members to follow the official domain and include the mirror domain if they cannot access the official domain.

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Quote from: maydna on July 18, 2023, 10:43:25 AM

Quote from: klidex on July 10, 2023, 01:58:54 PM

Quote from: maydna on July 09, 2023, 06:59:30 PM

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There is no other way if one day it is proven that there is no match between personal data and IP because using a VPN you have to let the winning money be lost to be taken over by the casino.
I said about this if you take the risk by using a VPN you will be very sorry if it happens and is detected violating casino rules.
There are still many casinos without having to use a VPN but they always use it just to be able to access their favorite casino.

And that's when gamblers who violate the rules will complain about their problems and even submit them on this forum in the hope that friends on this forum will help them. But after careful investigation, it turns out that he was the one who violated the rules of the casino, and he only wanted to damage the reputation of the casino by spreading false stories. There is no other way for him except to let the casino take his money because of his own mistakes. But some casinos allow him to withdraw his deposited money but cannot withdraw his winnings. That is the policy of the casino. We better follow the rules of the casino so that our gambling account is safe from trouble.

Withdrawing his winnings seem very considerate but some casino just allow them to withdraw what they deposit. I think we have seen these happen every time there is a scam accusation where the user did something against the TOS. Its often just what was deposited as allowed to be withdrawn.

I'm not sure if authorities will find it illegal when casinos have lots of domain to mirror their website so that users from countries where gambling is illegal don't have to use VPN.

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Quote from: klidex on July 10, 2023, 01:58:54 PM

Quote from: maydna on July 09, 2023, 06:59:30 PM

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There is no other way if one day it is proven that there is no match between personal data and IP because using a VPN you have to let the winning money be lost to be taken over by the casino.
I said about this if you take the risk by using a VPN you will be very sorry if it happens and is detected violating casino rules.
There are still many casinos without having to use a VPN but they always use it just to be able to access their favorite casino.

And that's when gamblers who violate the rules will complain about their problems and even submit them on this forum in the hope that friends on this forum will help them. But after careful investigation, it turns out that he was the one who violated the rules of the casino, and he only wanted to damage the reputation of the casino by spreading false stories. There is no other way for him except to let the casino take his money because of his own mistakes. But some casinos allow him to withdraw his deposited money but cannot withdraw his winnings. That is the policy of the casino. We better follow the rules of the casino so that our gambling account is safe from trouble.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on July 09, 2023, 05:55:37 AM

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It depends on the VPN service you have used, how can the casino distinguish between IP address with and without VPN? of course it's because how far the change of your IP address. This day the VPN service use Germany location, tomorrow the VPN service use France location, the next two days the VPN service use Japan location, this is clear a red flag in your account.

But if you use a premium VPN service where you're allowed to choose which country and which city you want to connect, it make the casino wouldn't know if you're use VPN.

Well, there are some ways to guess that the user is using a VPN service, because most VPN services that are available to the public only have a set of IPs available to them, so once they figure out one IP is a VPN, then any future users of that VPN getting that IP will be "discovered"

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Quote from: retreat on July 07, 2023, 08:43:29 AM

Quote from: tusandii on July 07, 2023, 06:51:58 AM

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Every casino must have this prohibition and of course we have to comply with it so that if we violate it, like it or not, we have to be able to accept the risk of sanctions that will be given by the casino.
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As far as I know, most online casinos prohibit the use of VPNs for their users, but so far I haven't encountered any problems using a VPN when playing on my casino platform. Indeed, in their regulations, they provide sanctions for players who use VPNs, but as a casino platform, they also need players on their platform to keep their business running. So you could say that their regulations, in my opinion, are just a formality, because in practice they don't impose sanctions on users who use VPNs.

There are some who may penalize for violating using a VPN and some who don't because I've never used a VPN so it's best to just be safe, don't want to look for trouble, especially since it's prohibited in their TOS. it's best to communicate with CS first so you can find out whether it's allowed or not because if you want to use a VPN there shouldn't be a problem because it can also help more gambling users.

My personal opinion is also if the casino prohibits the use of VPN it's a bit funny, sometimes we don't know why the user is using a VPN it could be that their government prohibits access to gambling so they have to use a VPN but if that is also prohibited by the casino it will be very strange because it can reduced existing gamblers. but directly maybe I will try to contact CS if one day my government blocks gambling sites and uses VPN to access gambling.

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I'm aware that some casinos regulate the use of VPNs, but in general a lot of the big casinos even encourage it (considering they want more wealthy players from countries where gambling is prohibited to play with them). Some of them even cater their content and bonuses specifically towards those players from the Middle East and Islamic countries where gambling is strictly prohibited and punishable by incarceration, as seen here: https://myser-gambling.com/online-casino-saudi-arabia/

My only recommendation would be to make sure you aren't using a dodgy VPN, but one that actually hides the fact that you are using a VPN from the websites and apps you visit (they usually aren't free, though).

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

VPNs should not be used in casinos that prohibit it in their TOS, although some casinos accept VPN use. In this case the gambler can conduct his normal gambling but can restrict his account after a big win. So as a responsible gambler each of us should be absolutely safe from our own place. While some gambling platforms are flexible with VPN usage, not all gambling platforms are the same. I would definitely avoid sites that don't allow VPN use. And if someone wants to use VPN with risk, he will be responsible for it.

But there are some casinos that look for excuses and very small things to punish the gamblers out of their money, and such casinos will never take even the smallest things lightly like using a VPN for only logging into the platform but not gambling, they will take that and use it against you only to confiscate your funds.

Indeed a lot of casino are actually looking for slight error from their customers especially when he or she might have acquired some huge winnings, I have seen many casino online restrict users of their big winning due to some violation of their Tos and the problem is no one actually have time to even read these TOS in these gambling sites so for me I just go through the FAQ of the casino to actually have some insight not to violate any of their regulations.

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