Would you use a VPN on a casino, even if it is not allowed in their ToS? - page 2.

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Quote from: maydna on July 09, 2023, 06:59:30 PM

Quote from: klidex on July 08, 2023, 01:55:02 PM

Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 12:16:51 PM

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Using a VPN has always been a risk for me even though casinos don't allow using a VPN and a customer is still determined to use it I'm sure he will feel sorry when one day he gets lucky and gets a big win.
In short, of course, when you want to withdraw the winnings, the casino will ask for some KYC and from this situation the casino will match personal data with the IP used.
There are still many casinos that can be accessed without a VPN. Instead of taking risks that make yourself regret it's better to find another casino.

In other words, it's not worth the risk we will experience, especially if we win. And when the casino matches our data with our IP, and it turns out that there is no match, it can create a problem for us because we have to show the casino valid proof and make the casino believe in us. Playing it safe and trying to follow the rules in the casino won't get us into any trouble, so we can also play gambling comfortably. And if they still don't agree with the casino's rules on VPN use, they can look for other casinos that can allow VPN use.

There is no other way if one day it is proven that there is no match between personal data and IP because using a VPN you have to let the winning money be lost to be taken over by the casino.
I said about this if you take the risk by using a VPN you will be very sorry if it happens and is detected violating casino rules.
There are still many casinos without having to use a VPN but they always use it just to be able to access their favorite casino.

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Quote from: Dimitri94 on July 07, 2023, 06:36:29 AM

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Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

VPNs should not be used in casinos that prohibit it in their TOS, although some casinos accept VPN use. In this case the gambler can conduct his normal gambling but can restrict his account after a big win. So as a responsible gambler each of us should be absolutely safe from our own place. While some gambling platforms are flexible with VPN usage, not all gambling platforms are the same. I would definitely avoid sites that don't allow VPN use. And if someone wants to use VPN with risk, he will be responsible for it.

It basically depends on the nature of the casino and how lenient or strict they are with the rules and regulations, and their trust and reputation plays a great role at this too. A casino that has a good reputation and is trusted among the community because it has been around for quite some time and never had any problems with their gamblers will most likely not make that big of an issue out of this if you have used a VPN to access the casino as long as you are a verified user.

But there are some casinos that look for excuses and very small things to punish the gamblers out of their money, and such casinos will never take even the smallest things lightly like using a VPN for only logging into the platform but not gambling, they will take that and use it against you only to confiscate your funds.

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Quote from: klidex on July 08, 2023, 01:55:02 PM

Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 12:16:51 PM

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Using a VPN has always been a risk for me even though casinos don't allow using a VPN and a customer is still determined to use it I'm sure he will feel sorry when one day he gets lucky and gets a big win.
In short, of course, when you want to withdraw the winnings, the casino will ask for some KYC and from this situation the casino will match personal data with the IP used.
There are still many casinos that can be accessed without a VPN. Instead of taking risks that make yourself regret it's better to find another casino.

In other words, it's not worth the risk we will experience, especially if we win. And when the casino matches our data with our IP, and it turns out that there is no match, it can create a problem for us because we have to show the casino valid proof and make the casino believe in us. Playing it safe and trying to follow the rules in the casino won't get us into any trouble, so we can also play gambling comfortably. And if they still don't agree with the casino's rules on VPN use, they can look for other casinos that can allow VPN use.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 08, 2023, 12:44:30 PM

Quote from: bangjoe on July 08, 2023, 04:10:42 AM

I can't access some gambling places because of the blocking carried out by the government in my country, so I need to use a VPN to be able to access them, I know that casino TOS regulations prohibit it, but so far I have used a VPN on a gambling platform without any adverse problems, especially for me personally, it runs smoothly, but indeed when playing there is a site that is strict in its rules, when I make a withdrawal it takes a long time and confirms to the gambling service and explains my situation, why do I use a VPN to access their gambling, in case this is what I experienced only when the withdrawal had a decent amount of time to wait.

You will nevery have problem using VPN if you are consistent on using same country IP since you register until you play for the casino doesn’t suspect you for using VPN when you withdraw. The only downside on your case is you really breaking the casino ToS which makes your gambling experience dangerous.

Casino usually subject someone under KYC if you are frequently deposit and withdrawing your balance. This is what my experience on my different casino account before I'm being requred to do KYC regardless if I win or lose big time.

yes maybe that's what I am not aware of, I have never changed my country's IP in accessing the gambling platform, it is true that my gambling experience is worse especially if with the threat of me they will delete, of course it is detrimental to me personally, but how The way I access the gambling if I don't use VPN, this makes me hesitant if I keep thinking.

Maybe my withdrawal and deposit has not reached the limit of the implementation of the KYC, so until yesterday I did gambling was safe, without a notification I had to do gambling from the gambling platform.

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Quote from: nullama on July 09, 2023, 03:45:45 AM

I think some people use VPNs to access casinos from countries where it's not allowed. That might work when you are putting money in, but as you say, the moment you ask for a withdrawal, the casino will have a look at that VPN connection and not pay you anything. And they would be right as those are their terms and conditions.

It depends on the VPN service you have used, how can the casino distinguish between IP address with and without VPN? of course it's because how far the change of your IP address. This day the VPN service use Germany location, tomorrow the VPN service use France location, the next two days the VPN service use Japan location, this is clear a red flag in your account.

But if you use a premium VPN service where you're allowed to choose which country and which city you want to connect, it make the casino wouldn't know if you're use VPN.

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Quote from: retreat on July 07, 2023, 08:43:29 AM

Quote from: tusandii on July 07, 2023, 06:51:58 AM

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Every casino must have this prohibition and of course we have to comply with it so that if we violate it, like it or not, we have to be able to accept the risk of sanctions that will be given by the casino.
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As far as I know, most online casinos prohibit the use of VPNs for their users, but so far I haven't encountered any problems using a VPN when playing on my casino platform. Indeed, in their regulations, they provide sanctions for players who use VPNs, but as a casino platform, they also need players on their platform to keep their business running. So you could say that their regulations, in my opinion, are just a formality, because in practice they don't impose sanctions on users who use VPNs.

I'd like to think that their regulations are not a formulation at all because from my experience gambling in different casino which I have used VPN for accessing their site I have been strictly punishe for most of those casino which actually prohibit the use of VPN by confiscating some of my huge winning but the good part about this particular issue with VPN use is that the casino always later allow me to access the winnings but the only thing is that the whole process is stressful because I have lay series of complaints and also kyc for the casino.

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Quote from: klidex on July 08, 2023, 01:55:02 PM

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Using a VPN has always been a risk for me even though casinos don't allow using a VPN and a customer is still determined to use it I'm sure he will feel sorry when one day he gets lucky and gets a big win.
In short, of course, when you want to withdraw the winnings, the casino will ask for some KYC and from this situation the casino will match personal data with the IP used.
There are still many casinos that can be accessed without a VPN. Instead of taking risks that make yourself regret it's better to find another casino.

I think some people use VPNs to access casinos from countries where it's not allowed. That might work when you are putting money in, but as you say, the moment you ask for a withdrawal, the casino will have a look at that VPN connection and not pay you anything. And they would be right as those are their terms and conditions.

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Quote from: maydna on July 08, 2023, 12:16:51 PM

Quote from: retreat on July 07, 2023, 08:43:29 AM

As far as I know, most online casinos prohibit the use of VPNs for their users, but so far I haven't encountered any problems using a VPN when playing on my casino platform. Indeed, in their regulations, they provide sanctions for players who use VPNs, but as a casino platform, they also need players on their platform to keep their business running. So you could say that their regulations, in my opinion, are just a formality, because in practice they don't impose sanctions on users who use VPNs.

It might be better before you sign up for a casino, you can ask the support service about using a VPN in that casino. It would be better to do so that we will not get into trouble, and if the casino bans VPN use, but we still use VPN and gamble, one day we might get into trouble. We can play gambling at the casino with a VPN, but if the casino finds out that we violated its rules about prohibiting VPN use, it will have consequences for our account. But if until now you have been safe, I think you can still gamble but be careful not to use big money to gamble.

Using a VPN has always been a risk for me even though casinos don't allow using a VPN and a customer is still determined to use it I'm sure he will feel sorry when one day he gets lucky and gets a big win.
In short, of course, when you want to withdraw the winnings, the casino will ask for some KYC and from this situation the casino will match personal data with the IP used.
There are still many casinos that can be accessed without a VPN. Instead of taking risks that make yourself regret it's better to find another casino.

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Quote from: bangjoe on July 08, 2023, 04:10:42 AM

I can't access some gambling places because of the blocking carried out by the government in my country, so I need to use a VPN to be able to access them, I know that casino TOS regulations prohibit it, but so far I have used a VPN on a gambling platform without any adverse problems, especially for me personally, it runs smoothly, but indeed when playing there is a site that is strict in its rules, when I make a withdrawal it takes a long time and confirms to the gambling service and explains my situation, why do I use a VPN to access their gambling, in case this is what I experienced only when the withdrawal had a decent amount of time to wait.

You will nevery have problem using VPN if you are consistent on using same country IP since you register until you play for the casino doesn’t suspect you for using VPN when you withdraw. The only downside on your case is you really breaking the casino ToS which makes your gambling experience dangerous.

Casino usually subject someone under KYC if you are frequently deposit and withdrawing your balance. This is what my experience on my different casino account before I'm being requred to do KYC regardless if I win or lose big time.

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Quote from: retreat on July 07, 2023, 08:43:29 AM

As far as I know, most online casinos prohibit the use of VPNs for their users, but so far I haven't encountered any problems using a VPN when playing on my casino platform. Indeed, in their regulations, they provide sanctions for players who use VPNs, but as a casino platform, they also need players on their platform to keep their business running. So you could say that their regulations, in my opinion, are just a formality, because in practice they don't impose sanctions on users who use VPNs.

It might be better before you sign up for a casino, you can ask the support service about using a VPN in that casino. It would be better to do so that we will not get into trouble, and if the casino bans VPN use, but we still use VPN and gamble, one day we might get into trouble. We can play gambling at the casino with a VPN, but if the casino finds out that we violated its rules about prohibiting VPN use, it will have consequences for our account. But if until now you have been safe, I think you can still gamble but be careful not to use big money to gamble.

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I can't access some gambling places because of the blocking carried out by the government in my country, so I need to use a VPN to be able to access them, I know that casino TOS regulations prohibit it, but so far I have used a VPN on a gambling platform without any adverse problems, especially for me personally, it runs smoothly, but indeed when playing there is a site that is strict in its rules, when I make a withdrawal it takes a long time and confirms to the gambling service and explains my situation, why do I use a VPN to access their gambling, in case this is what I experienced only when the withdrawal had a decent amount of time to wait.

Quote from: nullama on July 08, 2023, 03:01:49 AM

Yeah, I don't think the casinos care too much when gamblers use a VPN while they spend their money.

But, the moment they request a withdraw, that's when they would likely check if there's a VPN involved.

Yes, that's true, to be honest they don't really care about this, but if you make a withdrawal it will be checked, especially large withdrawals, the inspection is definitely carried out by the gambling party, but if the amount is small, it is rarely checked.

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Quote from: dimonstration on July 07, 2023, 12:56:19 PM

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I think all platforms has a general view on VPN because I open my casino account always with VPN without encountering any problem. Common misconception here in the forum that some casino doesn’t allowed VPN in general but if you read carefully the ToS, It clearly stated that VPN is only not allowed if you’re using it to access the casino for bypassing your country restriction. This is why most of the cases involving VPN usually required KYC to verify the country of the player while the common problem is they are playing from restricted country that’s why they are using VPN.

There’s no case here that an account is banned for using VPN alone without bypassing country restriction issue or using VPN for multiple account in able to abuse the casino bonus system.

Yeah, I don't think the casinos care too much when gamblers use a VPN while they spend their money.

But, the moment they request a withdraw, that's when they would likely check if there's a VPN involved.

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Quote from: slapper on July 07, 2023, 12:36:25 PM

When you're playing online (and let's be honest, who isn't?), those pesky TOS (terms of service) are your proverbial lifeboat. You'd think it's straightforward: read them, understand them, comply. But it's like you say, there's this alluring gray area, particularly when it comes to VPN usage. And there's no definitive answer, because different platforms have different attitudes. They might say, "Hey, use a VPN, no problem!"... But remember, their interests might not always align with yours

Your encounter with the casino site admin who didn't mind VPNs is interesting. I'd just remind you, there's a distinction to be made: the admin's "yes" could simply be a more diplomatic way of saying "We're not actively policing it."

The real issue here is that rules are not uniformly enforced across all platforms. Adherence to them is indeed a matter of individual integrity. It's like doing KYC (Know Your Customer) checks – they're generally mandatory but only enforced at certain thresholds. A trusted casino will certainly pay out winnings and have a smooth withdrawal process, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant. It's our responsibility, ultimately, to keep ourselves safe and informed.

I think all platforms has a general view on VPN because I open my casino account always with VPN without encountering any problem. Common misconception here in the forum that some casino doesn’t allowed VPN in general but if you read carefully the ToS, It clearly stated that VPN is only not allowed if you’re using it to access the casino for bypassing your country restriction. This is why most of the cases involving VPN usually required KYC to verify the country of the player while the common problem is they are playing from restricted country that’s why they are using VPN.

There’s no case here that an account is banned for using VPN alone without bypassing country restriction issue or using VPN for multiple account in able to abuse the casino bonus system.

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Quote from: kamvreto on July 07, 2023, 07:13:04 AM

Quote from: tusandii on July 07, 2023, 06:51:58 AM

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TOS is an important guideline before playing and really must be understood. But using a VPN cannot be avoided if we as gamblers are prohibited because our country is not allowed. I asked one of the online casino site admins if I could use a VPN or not, the answer was yes as long as you can play and become a new customer they don't mind that. But some are also strict and do not allow using a VPN.
Complying with regulations or not is certain depending on everyone's awareness, as in implementing KYC it will be requested when there is a withdrawal threshold that requires depositing KYC. Trusted casinos currently have many users and actually pay when gamblers win and can withdraw them smoothly without any obstacles.

When you're playing online (and let's be honest, who isn't?), those pesky TOS (terms of service) are your proverbial lifeboat. You'd think it's straightforward: read them, understand them, comply. But it's like you say, there's this alluring gray area, particularly when it comes to VPN usage. And there's no definitive answer, because different platforms have different attitudes. They might say, "Hey, use a VPN, no problem!"... But remember, their interests might not always align with yours

Your encounter with the casino site admin who didn't mind VPNs is interesting. I'd just remind you, there's a distinction to be made: the admin's "yes" could simply be a more diplomatic way of saying "We're not actively policing it."

The real issue here is that rules are not uniformly enforced across all platforms. Adherence to them is indeed a matter of individual integrity. It's like doing KYC (Know Your Customer) checks – they're generally mandatory but only enforced at certain thresholds. A trusted casino will certainly pay out winnings and have a smooth withdrawal process, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant. It's our responsibility, ultimately, to keep ourselves safe and informed.

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Quote from: tusandii on July 07, 2023, 06:51:58 AM

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Every casino must have this prohibition and of course we have to comply with it so that if we violate it, like it or not, we have to be able to accept the risk of sanctions that will be given by the casino.
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As far as I know, most online casinos prohibit the use of VPNs for their users, but so far I haven't encountered any problems using a VPN when playing on my casino platform. Indeed, in their regulations, they provide sanctions for players who use VPNs, but as a casino platform, they also need players on their platform to keep their business running. So you could say that their regulations, in my opinion, are just a formality, because in practice they don't impose sanctions on users who use VPNs.

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You will be lucky to get things sorted out by the team, that is if they decide to consider you, VPN and gambling is a very bad idea, and avoid serving as an example.

The team will definitely solve the problem and consider the problem of using a VPN if he is willing not to repeat it a second time and is willing to say what is the real reason for using a VPN that is clearly prohibited by casinos.
The casino team works well and provides as much satisfactory service as possible to all customers by providing the fairest solution for any problems that occur.
But you need to know that there are also some casinos that allow their customers access by using a VPN.

There are platforms which are considerate and there are ones who would really be sticking out into their rules on which as a user who do commit out such violation would definitely be penalized or facing up consequences
with that which it would really be just that a normal approach or decisions would be making by these companies on which as a violator then you dont have the rights on complaining about their decisions isnt really that right. You've been pretty wary about their terms and conditions (unless you do read it up) that if VPN isnt that allowed or prohibited, then why you would really be forcing out on making use of something
which isnt allowed?
If we do speak about gambling choices or options then we do have tons in the market on which you could choose from.There are really just those people who do really likes on playing on a site
on which it do looks interesting and trying out to bypass if ever there are prohibitions. Grin

Every casino must have this prohibition and of course we have to comply with it so that if we violate it, like it or not, we have to be able to accept the risk of sanctions that will be given by the casino.
I don't use a VPN when the casino forbids it and you should know that I always ask support if I want to do anything that seems to have been the rules of the casino so I don't take the wrong action and get punished.
But all of this depends on the awareness of each gambler whether they want to comply with these rules because not a few gamblers don't want to read the TOS so they don't know what restrictions are contained in the TOS.

Wait a minute, because not everyone is looking for an attractive casino and most gamblers are looking for a casino that is trusted and can provide what the gamblers themselves want.

TOS is an important guideline before playing and really must be understood. But using a VPN cannot be avoided if we as gamblers are prohibited because our country is not allowed. I asked one of the online casino site admins if I could use a VPN or not, the answer was yes as long as you can play and become a new customer they don't mind that. But some are also strict and do not allow using a VPN.
Complying with regulations or not is certain depending on everyone's awareness, as in implementing KYC it will be requested when there is a withdrawal threshold that requires depositing KYC. Trusted casinos currently have many users and actually pay when gamblers win and can withdraw them smoothly without any obstacles.

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Quote from: Mahanton on July 05, 2023, 04:35:57 PM

Quote from: tusandii on June 29, 2023, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on June 28, 2023, 01:42:13 AM

You will be lucky to get things sorted out by the team, that is if they decide to consider you, VPN and gambling is a very bad idea, and avoid serving as an example.

The team will definitely solve the problem and consider the problem of using a VPN if he is willing not to repeat it a second time and is willing to say what is the real reason for using a VPN that is clearly prohibited by casinos.
The casino team works well and provides as much satisfactory service as possible to all customers by providing the fairest solution for any problems that occur.
But you need to know that there are also some casinos that allow their customers access by using a VPN.

There are platforms which are considerate and there are ones who would really be sticking out into their rules on which as a user who do commit out such violation would definitely be penalized or facing up consequences
with that which it would really be just that a normal approach or decisions would be making by these companies on which as a violator then you dont have the rights on complaining about their decisions isnt really that right. You've been pretty wary about their terms and conditions (unless you do read it up) that if VPN isnt that allowed or prohibited, then why you would really be forcing out on making use of something
which isnt allowed?
If we do speak about gambling choices or options then we do have tons in the market on which you could choose from.There are really just those people who do really likes on playing on a site
on which it do looks interesting and trying out to bypass if ever there are prohibitions. Grin

Every casino must have this prohibition and of course we have to comply with it so that if we violate it, like it or not, we have to be able to accept the risk of sanctions that will be given by the casino.
I don't use a VPN when the casino forbids it and you should know that I always ask support if I want to do anything that seems to have been the rules of the casino so I don't take the wrong action and get punished.
But all of this depends on the awareness of each gambler whether they want to comply with these rules because not a few gamblers don't want to read the TOS so they don't know what restrictions are contained in the TOS.

Wait a minute, because not everyone is looking for an attractive casino and most gamblers are looking for a casino that is trusted and can provide what the gamblers themselves want.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 01, 2023, 10:45:26 AM

Now, the question is.... Will you still use a VPN, if it is not allowed by the ToS on the site. What will you do if they "block" your account and take your balance?

VPNs should not be used in casinos that prohibit it in their TOS, although some casinos accept VPN use. In this case the gambler can conduct his normal gambling but can restrict his account after a big win. So as a responsible gambler each of us should be absolutely safe from our own place. While some gambling platforms are flexible with VPN usage, not all gambling platforms are the same. I would definitely avoid sites that don't allow VPN use. And if someone wants to use VPN with risk, he will be responsible for it.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on July 05, 2023, 04:38:06 PM

If the gambler doesn't want to have a problem sooner or later, should always stick to what is stated in their ToS.
Because if someone just say that it is fine, but the terms stated otherwise, then, at the end, the owner will refer to their terms.
Hard to trust the assurance over chat, much better to comply with the published terms as that's the official stand of the site.

The results will not be good for those who have violated the rules of the casino because the casino will know first that we have violated the rules. We might be able to survive their rules, but there must be a penalty for us, so perhaps we can't withdraw the winnings we have earned. And if the casino still allows us to withdraw the deposit money we made, that means we can still think it's good luck for us. Usually, the casino doesn't even allow us to withdraw deposit money because our offence has crossed the line. So be careful when reading the TOS and better understand it before joining a casino.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on July 05, 2023, 05:18:55 PM

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The bettors who are playing in countries where casinos are not banned then they don't have good reason to use VPN because if you do, you are by implication hidding something from those in authority. I also won't suggest that bettors use VPN when they are in jurisdiction that have not banned cryptocurrency and stick to their rules in ToS because I believe if casino is not rejecting your registration, you don't need to use VPU .

I agree.

At the end of the day if you are lucky enough to win in those casinos, they will always have the option to not allow you to withdraw the money and make your play invalid because you violated their Terms of Service by using a VPN.

It's simply best to play with their rules if you want your money back.

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