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Topic: X11 X13 X15 with 50% more hashrate 7Mh/s on 280x or 10 Mh/s on 290x - page 12. (Read 54262 times)

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I'm very close to banning all GPU devs from releasing anything until we've sat down and worked out a way everybody wins  Wink
legendary
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just an example, xcn miner was downloaded around 200x (which isn't a lot actually) got donations from max 10~15ppl so profitability or not it is always the same story (and every gpu dev and dev at large will tell you the exact same story, but as I am also a bit of a troll so I talk a lot more about it...)

My XMR CPU miner is pretty much the standard one on Linux - and it was around 2x as fast as the best public miner at the time. XMR was quite profitable then - 15 or less people donated, same.
and it is probably the same people who donated...  Grin
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Djm I don't know where all this hate of miners is coming from, but they're definitely not making money right now. Look at a profit calculator and then scale it up a bit and if you don't have a plug watt meter, buy one. Using GPUs to mine you're earning about -30% just by running the things.
Hate is a big word, I am just saying.

Only a few people donate while the vast majority is just expecting stuff for free,
and each time a gpu dev ask something for his service, then he is a jerk or an asshole or a hater, this is getting old...


That aside, I'm not sure why everyone overlooked the part where I said 'put in a dev mine'. Other developers have done it and it works fine as long as you tell people it's there. Claymore is a good example of that. If you feel your work is worth money, do more then say 'give me money'. With a 50% increase in hashrate you'd have everyone on board even with a 5% dev fee, which is basically every x11/x13/x15 AMD GPU miner, funneling coins through you regardless of the fact that we wouldn't be making more money and this would actually be worse for us as everyone would then be using 15% more power.
Why are you telling me this rather than telling to your electricity company you won't pay because it wasn't profitable enough
(probably because they would sue you and cut down your power line  Grin ... but beside that ?)


I don't understand where this high and mighty attitude is coming from though. It's just like you want to dangle tidbits in front of miners that aren't having the best of times right now as a big 'fuck you' because we apparently didn't thank you enough for free work you did... for... free...
again, that's always the same thing, each one gpu dev complain, he has an attitude  Roll Eyes

just an example, xcn miner was downloaded around 200x (which isn't a lot actually) got donations from max 10~15ppl so profitability or not it is always the same story (and every gpu dev and dev at large will tell you the exact same story, but as I am also a bit of a troll so I talk a lot more about it...)

regarding: dev mine: well it is based on opensource so basically releasing only the exe (which some people will disassemble to remove the dev fee, as it happens to Girino) is forbidden so basically it would require to rewrite everything from scratch, encrypt the exe so that very very bad players don't temper with it... etc...)

crypto is the far west and we aren't the bad guys... we still respect a few rules...
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Djm I don't know where all this hate of miners is coming from, but they're definitely not making money right now. Look at a profit calculator and then scale it up a bit and if you don't have a plug watt meter, buy one. Using GPUs to mine you're earning about -30% just by running the things.

Only ones making money off coins launching are people playing the Nicehash miner graveyard.

That aside, I'm not sure why everyone overlooked the part where I said 'put in a dev mine'. Other developers have done it and it works fine as long as you tell people it's there. Claymore is a good example of that. If you feel your work is worth money, do more then say 'give me money'. With a 50% increase in hashrate you'd have everyone on board even with a 5% dev fee, which is basically every x11/x13/x15 AMD GPU miner, funneling coins through you regardless of the fact that we wouldn't be making more money and this would actually be worse for us as everyone would then be using 15% more power.

I don't understand where this high and mighty attitude is coming from though. It's just like you want to dangle tidbits in front of miners that aren't having the best of times right now as a big 'fuck you' because we apparently didn't thank you enough for free work you did... for... free...

That's completely putting aside that miners don't need more speed at any cost right now, they need efficiency.
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legendary
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No point in doing that because the hashrate would increase for everybody and it wouldn't be worth it
This is with this kind of behavior expect less and less people open sourcing anything.
At some point we all get tired of cheap fucks...

Or is it that we "cheap fucks" have grown weary of all the ninja launched coins and algos that you greedy fiatheads can't seem to get enough of. Roll Eyes

miners made profits of the ninja launched coins too and new algo coins and usually when we open-source a miner, something which was profitable to mine to us (because we are fiathead with a few brain cells) becomes totally unprofitable, so why should we opensource anything if nobody shows any gratitude (meaning sending a few % of what they mined... ).
It has became clear that the altcoin community is very ungrateful, and unless forced to pay that % fee, they won't give anything at all..

When you buy a car, do you get tires or gasoline for free ? (if yes where are you living ?  Grin)
I mean people have been buying gpu by pack of ten, but when it comes to gives something to software developper, nobody... electricity is expensive so software dev is cut off  Grin.

I was contacted once by some dude to make a monero miner for free just to prevent Claymore from collecting any fee...
(the joy of programming exists... but they are limits)
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All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
No point in doing that because the hashrate would increase for everybody and it wouldn't be worth it
This is with this kind of behavior expect less and less people open sourcing anything.
At some point we all get tired of cheap fucks...

Or is it that we "cheap fucks" have grown weary of all the ninja launched coins and algos that you greedy fiatheads can't seem to get enough of. Roll Eyes

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It was only the wind.
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gpu will melt with this clock/volt

As you can see, it's running quite cool - stock volts.
legendary
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No point in doing that because the hashrate would increase for everybody and it wouldn't be worth it
This is with this kind of behavior expect less and less people open sourcing anything.
At some point we all get tired of cheap fucks...

Exactly. But he's kind of right - open sourcing does NOT encourage donations. Why? Because they're making the same amount as before within 24 hours.

that could also benefit drk network... (but yes for individual miner, it doesn't change much)
legendary
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No point in doing that because the hashrate would increase for everybody and it wouldn't be worth it
This is with this kind of behavior expect less and less people open sourcing anything.
At some point we all get tired of cheap fucks...
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Nice, what clocks for 10 MH/s?

Fuck high lol

1165/1700
legendary
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No point in doing that because the hashrate would increase for everybody and it wouldn't be worth it
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Been there, done that - they donate pocket change, if anything.

You guys are doing it all wrong...

People are very generous if you have something they want and you present it right.

Kristov Atlas raised a lot of donations from the DRK community by saying "The more you donate, the more time I can spend on the Darksend code review".

Over 1 week I think he got 1100 DRK when it was worth $6.
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Team Black developer
but...


Nobody pledged so far
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hahaha 45btc???
you moron what are u thinking with yourself??
I don't know at what value you estimate gpu dev work in general, but the general feeling among us is "not a lot"...
I don't understand why when many are making substantial money with "our" work, it should just be equivalent to a few beers (if people feel like giving... you did pay for your card you didn't tell amd, nvidia, I will pay if I am happy with the cards... )
Do you know many developper around working for a beer and a soup ?  Grin

on a different note, Ignition75 tried to organize a crowdfunding project to rise fund for optimized x11 kernels which would benefit everyone... and didn't get much success so far (you can probably still pledge however...) too many people just expect free stuff... coming out of nowhere.

So don't complain you did it to yourself (and stop expecting free stuff... while nobody is giving anything back)

I haven't given up djm!

I understand Triplef's argument that if everyone gets the new miner the diff will increase, but it also stops the privileged few running away with most of the profits.

With the alt-coin scene going through a big consolidation, levelling the playing field could be the shot in the arm the mining scene needs.

I still firmly believe if marketed right, the entire community would donate a lot more than 45 BTC for these kinds of improvements...
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17% more power use than stock, for 50% more hash, by the way.
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You know putting aside the whole ginormous BTC bounty on this thing, why don't you do what other kernel developers do and just add a dev mine? It's fair as long as it's advertised. Claymore has to be making out pretty good right now at 2.5% and he was at 5% for a really long time.
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Is this still available?

I've still got it.

small rig with 3x 7950, how much just x11?  Smiley I could pay $50 or so in btc, i make like 0.001/day
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It was only the wind.
Fucken 3 BTC to get access to this? I your kidding me? I am all about getting some money for your work, but all your doing is cornering the market even more because people who are normal miners no way in hell can afford the 3 BTC. Lets say I make .012 BTC a day mining right now, getting worse by the day, by the time you have enough for it, good luck seeing any return.


IMO, this model sucks. All your doing is catering to the big miners. I think most would be happy to pay something for it and would keep it under wraps because they get a advantage.

There's actually someone who wants to pay 22.5 BTC for access - I'm considering it.
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