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legendary
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June 25, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
I'll post the spreadsheet link as soon as I can. This round has very little spam filtering, sadly, but that's due to the fact I had about 2 hours to get it done within the Tuesday. I am now strictly filtering for spam. There is going to be no skimming anymore, it will be highly filtered. I apologize for any spam, and I'm filtering through again as soon as this post is logged.

On the topic of that whole whitelist/greylist/blacklist thing, I just wanted to bring up one other point which wasn't brought up before.  Other campaigns which don't pay for "unconstructive" posts don't try to kick people out of the campaign for this, they just don't pay for that type of post.  I guess I'm mainly writing because I don't want to have to think hard about how I use the forum just because I'm a sig campaign member.  Sometimes I write a long long post, sometimes I write a short post with only a word or two.  I do so as it's appropriate in the discussion on the thread.  If I want to say "What about X?" as a question to someone, I want to simply state my question without having to worry about whether my sponsor is going to kick me out.  If I want to post a picture in the "lets count to 11 million in pictures" thread, I want to enjoy doing that without worry.

Basically, I'm suggesting this, if OP doesn't want to pay for certain posts, that makes sense.  If OP doesn't want spammers in the campaign, that makes sense too.   But putting people who use the forum normally (not posting too much, not too often, just posting how they fel when they're online) into a greylist is, IMHO, bad practice.  In the end, everyone who is sponsored by XBTEC is going to be known as annoying encylocpedia posters who just talk and talk and talk despite the fact that the same point could have been made more succinctly.

To try to really drive-home this last point, consider that I could just keep on typing paragraphs in order to lengthen my post, but that wouldn't make it any more constructive than it already is.  More words won't make any more conversation happen, I've already said my point and the resto of this paragraphs in this posts are just for illustration.  However, because I'm not an ashole, I won't go on.

Do you guys understand me?

You are right.
We decided do not complete "grey", "black", "white" lists anymore.
People mustn't think hard about "constructive/ not constructive" their posts.
Now we've got some experience and will manage campaign better.

Very good news.  IMHO you are making the right choice.

@yakamoto: please note my promotion did go through.  I'm posting this week as a 'full memember' and I've already added the bigger signature in good faith.  Please confirm when you have a moment.
This has been confirmed. Thanks!
sed
hero member
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June 25, 2014, 01:18:55 PM
On the topic of that whole whitelist/greylist/blacklist thing, I just wanted to bring up one other point which wasn't brought up before.  Other campaigns which don't pay for "unconstructive" posts don't try to kick people out of the campaign for this, they just don't pay for that type of post.  I guess I'm mainly writing because I don't want to have to think hard about how I use the forum just because I'm a sig campaign member.  Sometimes I write a long long post, sometimes I write a short post with only a word or two.  I do so as it's appropriate in the discussion on the thread.  If I want to say "What about X?" as a question to someone, I want to simply state my question without having to worry about whether my sponsor is going to kick me out.  If I want to post a picture in the "lets count to 11 million in pictures" thread, I want to enjoy doing that without worry.

Basically, I'm suggesting this, if OP doesn't want to pay for certain posts, that makes sense.  If OP doesn't want spammers in the campaign, that makes sense too.   But putting people who use the forum normally (not posting too much, not too often, just posting how they fel when they're online) into a greylist is, IMHO, bad practice.  In the end, everyone who is sponsored by XBTEC is going to be known as annoying encylocpedia posters who just talk and talk and talk despite the fact that the same point could have been made more succinctly.

To try to really drive-home this last point, consider that I could just keep on typing paragraphs in order to lengthen my post, but that wouldn't make it any more constructive than it already is.  More words won't make any more conversation happen, I've already said my point and the resto of this paragraphs in this posts are just for illustration.  However, because I'm not an ashole, I won't go on.

Do you guys understand me?

You are right.
We decided do not complete "grey", "black", "white" lists anymore.
People mustn't think hard about "constructive/ not constructive" their posts.
Now we've got some experience and will manage campaign better.

Very good news.  IMHO you are making the right choice.

@yakamoto: please note my promotion did go through.  I'm posting this week as a 'full memember' and I've already added the bigger signature in good faith.  Please confirm when you have a moment.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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June 25, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
On the topic of that whole whitelist/greylist/blacklist thing, I just wanted to bring up one other point which wasn't brought up before.  Other campaigns which don't pay for "unconstructive" posts don't try to kick people out of the campaign for this, they just don't pay for that type of post.  I guess I'm mainly writing because I don't want to have to think hard about how I use the forum just because I'm a sig campaign member.  Sometimes I write a long long post, sometimes I write a short post with only a word or two.  I do so as it's appropriate in the discussion on the thread.  If I want to say "What about X?" as a question to someone, I want to simply state my question without having to worry about whether my sponsor is going to kick me out.  If I want to post a picture in the "lets count to 11 million in pictures" thread, I want to enjoy doing that without worry.

Basically, I'm suggesting this, if OP doesn't want to pay for certain posts, that makes sense.  If OP doesn't want spammers in the campaign, that makes sense too.   But putting people who use the forum normally (not posting too much, not too often, just posting how they fel when they're online) into a greylist is, IMHO, bad practice.  In the end, everyone who is sponsored by XBTEC is going to be known as annoying encylocpedia posters who just talk and talk and talk despite the fact that the same point could have been made more succinctly.

To try to really drive-home this last point, consider that I could just keep on typing paragraphs in order to lengthen my post, but that wouldn't make it any more constructive than it already is.  More words won't make any more conversation happen, I've already said my point and the resto of this paragraphs in this posts are just for illustration.  However, because I'm not an ashole, I won't go on.

Do you guys understand me?

You are right.
We decided do not complete "grey", "black", "white" lists anymore.
People mustn't think hard about "constructive/ not constructive" their posts.
Now we've got some experience and will manage campaign better.

I think that's probably the right move.
full member
Activity: 169
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June 25, 2014, 12:52:52 PM
On the topic of that whole whitelist/greylist/blacklist thing, I just wanted to bring up one other point which wasn't brought up before.  Other campaigns which don't pay for "unconstructive" posts don't try to kick people out of the campaign for this, they just don't pay for that type of post.  I guess I'm mainly writing because I don't want to have to think hard about how I use the forum just because I'm a sig campaign member.  Sometimes I write a long long post, sometimes I write a short post with only a word or two.  I do so as it's appropriate in the discussion on the thread.  If I want to say "What about X?" as a question to someone, I want to simply state my question without having to worry about whether my sponsor is going to kick me out.  If I want to post a picture in the "lets count to 11 million in pictures" thread, I want to enjoy doing that without worry.

Basically, I'm suggesting this, if OP doesn't want to pay for certain posts, that makes sense.  If OP doesn't want spammers in the campaign, that makes sense too.   But putting people who use the forum normally (not posting too much, not too often, just posting how they fel when they're online) into a greylist is, IMHO, bad practice.  In the end, everyone who is sponsored by XBTEC is going to be known as annoying encylocpedia posters who just talk and talk and talk despite the fact that the same point could have been made more succinctly.

To try to really drive-home this last point, consider that I could just keep on typing paragraphs in order to lengthen my post, but that wouldn't make it any more constructive than it already is.  More words won't make any more conversation happen, I've already said my point and the resto of this paragraphs in this posts are just for illustration.  However, because I'm not an ashole, I won't go on.

Do you guys understand me?

You are right.
We decided do not complete "grey", "black", "white" lists anymore.
People mustn't think hard about "constructive/ not constructive" their posts.
Now we've got some experience and will manage campaign better.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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June 25, 2014, 12:27:23 PM
I understand.  For transparency sake, can you also link us to the spreadsheet withyour results?  I think this wil help us to follow along.

+1, especially because if you (yakamoto) have removed most of my one-liner posts this is the first and the last round that i will stay with XBTec (and maybe it will be the first time that i leave a negative feedback for a signature campaign)

Remember: one liner posts (sometimes also one word posts) =/= non constructive posts



I know I'm curious to see the spreadsheet.
legendary
Activity: 2562
Merit: 1064
June 25, 2014, 12:11:02 PM
I understand.  For transparency sake, can you also link us to the spreadsheet withyour results?  I think this wil help us to follow along.

+1, especially because if you (yakamoto) have removed most of my one-liner posts this is the first and the last round that i will stay with XBTec (and maybe it will be the first time that i leave a negative feedback for a signature campaign)

Remember: one liner posts (sometimes also one word posts) =/= non constructive posts



I agree one liner post doesn't means it is spam or non constructive post, not everyone like to post in paragraph. If one liner post replying according to topic of thread then it is fine.
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
June 25, 2014, 12:04:58 PM
well, i dont care constructive or not
just reply in threads you want to
dont care its counted or not, i just want to communicate with you guys  Cheesy
kind of boring here at work...
legendary
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June 25, 2014, 12:00:22 PM
I understand.  For transparency sake, can you also link us to the spreadsheet withyour results?  I think this wil help us to follow along.

+1, especially because if you (yakamoto) have removed most of my one-liner posts this is the first and the last round that i will stay with XBTec (and maybe it will be the first time that i leave a negative feedback for a signature campaign)

Remember: one liner posts (sometimes also one word posts) =/= non constructive posts

sed
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
June 25, 2014, 11:46:06 AM
yakamoto, now that you're helping to manage this campaign, can we expect regular payouts on Tuesday or is it going to be Wednesday.  I think the important thing is that it's consistent and that we're told in advance about aberrances.  Another thing I'm confused on, what time exactly does each week start for the purposes of counting posts for a payout period?  Is it Monday 00:00?  In what timezone?
I have to say it's up to XBTec when the payouts will actually occur. I'd expect either Wednesdays or Thursdays (Probably Wednesday because I'm helping now, and there's less members), but calculations are consistently made on the Tuesdays of every week. After the calculation has been completed, it then goes on to the next week. So whatever I have you dialed in at on Tuesday is what you get.

I am in UTC -7, so if it's 12:00 in London, it's 5am here, assuming I got that right.

TL;DR: Next week post numbers happens once I have calculated your posts. Not once the count has been posted.

Ok, I understand that the week begins/ends sometime on Tuesday of each week.  In that case, please confirm my updated rank for the coming week.  This post will bump me to full member (and I will at the bigger signature accordingly).
For simplicity's sake, whatever I see at the time of calculation is what the rate is. There is no way to historically record when a person's activity changes, unless it is obvious.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

In relation to the other comment about post size,

I was asked by XBTec to not discount any posts, and as such, unless there is consistent spam, I am not allowed to deduct payment.

I do have some part in deciding what is spammy, but anything that is not one line or less is something I cannot decide on.

I'm curious to see what XBTec thinks after week one, and we'll see. I may have done what he wanted, I may haven't. We'll just have to see, and I'll adjust my work accordingly.

I understand.  For transparency sake, can you also link us to the spreadsheet withyour results?  I think this wil help us to follow along.

Side note: my post count seems to have finally caught up with my activity---looks like I'm not getting promoted until the next time period begins.
legendary
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June 25, 2014, 11:40:57 AM
yakamoto, now that you're helping to manage this campaign, can we expect regular payouts on Tuesday or is it going to be Wednesday.  I think the important thing is that it's consistent and that we're told in advance about aberrances.  Another thing I'm confused on, what time exactly does each week start for the purposes of counting posts for a payout period?  Is it Monday 00:00?  In what timezone?
I have to say it's up to XBTec when the payouts will actually occur. I'd expect either Wednesdays or Thursdays (Probably Wednesday because I'm helping now, and there's less members), but calculations are consistently made on the Tuesdays of every week. After the calculation has been completed, it then goes on to the next week. So whatever I have you dialed in at on Tuesday is what you get.

I am in UTC -7, so if it's 12:00 in London, it's 5am here, assuming I got that right.

TL;DR: Next week post numbers happens once I have calculated your posts. Not once the count has been posted.

Ok, I understand that the week begins/ends sometime on Tuesday of each week.  In that case, please confirm my updated rank for the coming week.  This post will bump me to full member (and I will at the bigger signature accordingly).
For simplicity's sake, whatever I see at the time of calculation is what the rate is. There is no way to historically record when a person's activity changes, unless it is obvious.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

In relation to the other comment about post size,

I was asked by XBTec to not discount any posts, and as such, unless there is consistent spam, I am not allowed to deduct payment.

I do have some part in deciding what is spammy, but anything that is not one line or less is something I cannot decide on.

I'm curious to see what XBTec thinks after week one, and we'll see. I may have done what he wanted, I may haven't. We'll just have to see, and I'll adjust my work accordingly.
sed
hero member
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June 25, 2014, 11:21:37 AM
yakamoto, now that you're helping to manage this campaign, can we expect regular payouts on Tuesday or is it going to be Wednesday.  I think the important thing is that it's consistent and that we're told in advance about aberrances.  Another thing I'm confused on, what time exactly does each week start for the purposes of counting posts for a payout period?  Is it Monday 00:00?  In what timezone?
I have to say it's up to XBTec when the payouts will actually occur. I'd expect either Wednesdays or Thursdays (Probably Wednesday because I'm helping now, and there's less members), but calculations are consistently made on the Tuesdays of every week. After the calculation has been completed, it then goes on to the next week. So whatever I have you dialed in at on Tuesday is what you get.

I am in UTC -7, so if it's 12:00 in London, it's 5am here, assuming I got that right.

TL;DR: Next week post numbers happens once I have calculated your posts. Not once the count has been posted.

Ok, I understand that the week begins/ends sometime on Tuesday of each week.  In that case, please confirm my updated rank for the coming week.  This post will bump me to full member (and I will at the bigger signature accordingly).
sed
hero member
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June 25, 2014, 11:19:26 AM
You can look at the entire posting history of everyone. As such, no-one has to tell me their "constructive posts" as I can do it my self.

I bet you spent less than 10 seconds checking my posts. How did I score on the "spam detector"?  Cheesy

I am very happy with this arrangement actually. This will speed up payout, OP has less overhead work, less dispute on members' spam content and Yakamoto earn a bit more every week. It is a win-win-win situation.
Actually, a lot of your posts aren't half bad, and so you scored pretty low. I saw at least 4 lines a lot of the time, and that's a decent amount of writing. It's the one-liners I'm more keen about. 4 lines can easily be constructive.


This is not a good measure of "constructiveness".  As I discussed upthread (as of yet unreplied to), typing many sentences when a one or two word answer will suffice is very unconstructive.  Constructiveness is about matching your posts to the situation at hand.  There are many many instances where shorter is better than longer.
sr. member
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June 25, 2014, 09:55:26 AM
You can look at the entire posting history of everyone. As such, no-one has to tell me their "constructive posts" as I can do it my self.

I bet you spent less than 10 seconds checking my posts. How did I score on the "spam detector"?  Cheesy

I am very happy with this arrangement actually. This will speed up payout, OP has less overhead work, less dispute on members' spam content and Yakamoto earn a bit more every week. It is a win-win-win situation.
Actually, a lot of your posts aren't half bad, and so you scored pretty low. I saw at least 4 lines a lot of the time, and that's a decent amount of writing. It's the one-liners I'm more keen about. 4 lines can easily be constructive.
Anyone paid by XBTec yet?

<BTC
thats why am still here  Grin

you are referring to the 1st round of payouts (payouts made one week ago!).
The other posters are referring to the 2nd period of payments (according to Yakamoto payments should arrive in the next 72 hours).


I'm hoping they will be sent within 72 hours, but again, due to time zones, it's not exactly a guarantee. Rest assured, however, that I believe that he will pay very soon. He just has to have time and read the posts, and everything else.

They'll be sent soon, don't worry!

EDIT: Fixed double quote.

well, i got my payment... so... i can only hope for you guys
just wait, dont spam him  Grin
legendary
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June 25, 2014, 09:14:45 AM
You can look at the entire posting history of everyone. As such, no-one has to tell me their "constructive posts" as I can do it my self.

I bet you spent less than 10 seconds checking my posts. How did I score on the "spam detector"?  Cheesy

I am very happy with this arrangement actually. This will speed up payout, OP has less overhead work, less dispute on members' spam content and Yakamoto earn a bit more every week. It is a win-win-win situation.
Actually, a lot of your posts aren't half bad, and so you scored pretty low. I saw at least 4 lines a lot of the time, and that's a decent amount of writing. It's the one-liners I'm more keen about. 4 lines can easily be constructive.
Anyone paid by XBTec yet?

<BTC
thats why am still here  Grin

you are referring to the 1st round of payouts (payouts made one week ago!).
The other posters are referring to the 2nd period of payments (according to Yakamoto payments should arrive in the next 72 hours).


I'm hoping they will be sent within 72 hours, but again, due to time zones, it's not exactly a guarantee. Rest assured, however, that I believe that he will pay very soon. He just has to have time and read the posts, and everything else.

They'll be sent soon, don't worry!

EDIT: Fixed double quote.
sr. member
Activity: 252
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June 25, 2014, 08:49:01 AM
Anyone paid by XBTec yet?

<BTC
thats why am still here  Grin

you are referring to the 1st round of payouts (payouts made one week ago!).
The other posters are referring to the 2nd period of payments (according to Yakamoto payments should arrive in the next 72 hours).

sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
June 25, 2014, 08:44:25 AM
Anyone paid by XBTec yet?

<BTC
thats why am still here  Grin
hero member
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June 25, 2014, 08:16:25 AM
You can look at the entire posting history of everyone. As such, no-one has to tell me their "constructive posts" as I can do it my self.

I bet you spent less than 10 seconds checking my posts. How did I score on the "spam detector"?  Cheesy

I am very happy with this arrangement actually. This will speed up payout, OP has less overhead work, less dispute on members' spam content and Yakamoto earn a bit more every week. It is a win-win-win situation.
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1007
June 25, 2014, 07:59:35 AM
Ok, calculations are done! It took me a mere 49:52 minutes/seconds, and I have provided the OP with the link to the spreadsheet.

Payments are on their way!

So basically users don't need to tell you how many constructive post they have made?
You can look at the entire posting history of everyone. As such, no-one has to tell me their "constructive posts" as I can do it my self.
Anyone paid by XBTec yet?
I'm gonna say not yet, because him bein in Moscow and me finishing calculations at about 1 am his time isn't a decent recipe for speed. He'll respond soon enough, however. Give it about 6-7 hours from now and I'm quite confident he'll respond.

Also, due to the time zone differences, there was a reason that I ask for 72 hours le-way for payment.
legendary
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June 25, 2014, 07:29:56 AM
Anyone paid by XBTec yet?
legendary
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June 25, 2014, 05:08:28 AM
Ok, calculations are done! It took me a mere 49:52 minutes/seconds, and I have provided the OP with the link to the spreadsheet.

Payments are on their way!

So basically users don't need to tell you how many constructive post they have made?
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