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hero member
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Well, now I'm a little confused.  There are two separate problems running a delegate node on a home PC, not one problem:  time synchronization and network latency.  I don't know if Mac OS can do better time sync than Windows, but both will suffer from network lag.  So why not remove delegate functionality from Mac OS also, since it is not used in a server farm environment any more than Windows is?

Well, Mac OS doesn't have the sync issues. If the uptime is bad, then the community will simply remove the votes from the delegate. But I will ask Boris, maybe we will remove this part from the Mac OS version as well. Smiley
legendary
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Full Client on Windows

We discussed the full client on Windows between our foundation members and came to a conclusion. We will continue updating and releasing the full client for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. The only difference for Windows full client is that it will not support the delegate functionality, due to the high time accuracy needed, that unfortunately Windows is unable to provide. All other features like syncing the blockchain and broadcasting transactions into the Crypto network will still work with all future Windows/Mac/Linux releases, making the Full node as the most safest solution for interaction with Crypti blockchain.

The Lite Client will be released for Windows and Mac OS in the future and is an addition to the Full Client. We will market the Lite Client for the mainstream users, as it is much easier to handle.


Well, now I'm a little confused.  There are two separate problems running a delegate node on a home PC, not one problem:  time synchronization and network latency.  I don't know if Mac OS can do better time sync than Windows, but both will suffer from network lag.  So why not remove delegate functionality from Mac OS also, since it is not used in a server farm environment any more than Windows is?
legendary
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Lite Wallets will be able to run Dapps, but not process them.
What is the difference? Huh
hero member
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Starik, if someone were to run a full node on windows and try to become a delegate, it would be pointless. As soon as they became a delegate and were active and started missing blocks, they would just get voted out. So what is the point of supporting full nodes for windows? Full nodes aren't meant to be run by the average user. The Lite Wallet can interface with the delegates for anyone on a Windows box, but no one running an application, PoS, or otherwise would be running windows anyways.
Your argument is irrelevant because i never suggested to make a delegate on Windows. Tongue
Correct me if i am wrong. Roll Eyes
Lite wallet does not check blockchain or blocks or transactions and does not propagate them through network. It only connects to delegate nodes. Sad
While full wallet does. (as on the most other cryptocurrencies) Cool
If this is true and the network became only 101 delegates then this is very bad because it could be stopped by simple ddos attack. Cry

BTW, will lite wallet run DAPPs? Huh

i'd like to know that as well, will lite wallet have full functions ?

Please see my response above. Full nodes are still available for all popular operation systems. Just the forging part is not available on Windows machines.

Lite Wallets will be able to run Dapps, but not process them. More information will be available in the next weeks.
hero member
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Full Client on Windows

We discussed the full client on Windows between our foundation members and came to a conclusion. We will continue updating and releasing the full client for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. The only difference for Windows full client is that it will not support the delegate functionality, due to the high time accuracy needed, that unfortunately Windows is unable to provide. All other features like syncing the blockchain and broadcasting transactions into the Crypto network will still work with all future Windows/Mac/Linux releases, making the Full node as the most safest solution for interaction with Crypti blockchain.

The Lite Client will be released for Windows and Mac OS in the future and is an addition to the Full Client. We will market the Lite Client for the mainstream users, as it is much easier to handle.


We hope that everything is clear now.
legendary
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Starik, if someone were to run a full node on windows and try to become a delegate, it would be pointless. As soon as they became a delegate and were active and started missing blocks, they would just get voted out. So what is the point of supporting full nodes for windows? Full nodes aren't meant to be run by the average user. The Lite Wallet can interface with the delegates for anyone on a Windows box, but no one running an application, PoS, or otherwise would be running windows anyways.
Your argument is irrelevant because i never suggested to make a delegate on Windows. Tongue
Correct me if i am wrong. Roll Eyes
Lite wallet does not check blockchain or blocks or transactions and does not propagate them through network. It only connects to delegate nodes. Sad
While full wallet does. (as on the most other cryptocurrencies) Cool
If this is true and the network became only 101 delegates then this is very bad because it could be stopped by simple ddos attack. Cry

BTW, will lite wallet run DAPPs? Huh

i'd like to know that as well, will lite wallet have full functions ?
legendary
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Starik, if someone were to run a full node on windows and try to become a delegate, it would be pointless. As soon as they became a delegate and were active and started missing blocks, they would just get voted out. So what is the point of supporting full nodes for windows? Full nodes aren't meant to be run by the average user. The Lite Wallet can interface with the delegates for anyone on a Windows box, but no one running an application, PoS, or otherwise would be running windows anyways.
Your argument is irrelevant because i never suggested to make a delegate on Windows. Tongue
Correct me if i am wrong. Roll Eyes
Lite wallet does not check blockchain or blocks or transactions and does not propagate them through network. It only connects to delegate nodes. Sad
While full wallet does. (as on the most other cryptocurrencies) Cool
If this is true and the network became only 101 delegates then this is very bad because it could be stopped by simple ddos attack. Cry

BTW, will lite wallet run DAPPs? Huh
hero member
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For everyone who can't keep up with the news around here. You can always go to our Announcements forum on http://forum.crypti.me to get all official announcements. Smiley

I cross-post them over there every time. More recently I also began to cross-post the smaller announcements from us. Else you can also always follow us on twitter.
hero member
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based on crypti images

For everyone who has a Crypti business/website and wants to show that it's based on the crypti network. Smiley



How about some "Powered by Crypti" ones for people building services on top of Crypti in the near future. ;-)

Tada!

hero member
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Okay I updated my Signature. Hopefully that will get a *little* more exposure. What other things can we do to get Crypti more awareness. Or I suppose once the design and store has been set up. We can focus our efforts towards marketing. It just a tough field with quite a few other coins out there..I don't see a real hurry to get out the code in open source. It will likely be ripped and ripped and ripped then repackage as coin X, Y z
Regards,
Brian

We are hoping to announce our first industry partnership (of several possibly in the works) soon. We are quickly spinning up on getting our marketing / PR machine going as we lead up to the next few releases. You will hopefully see much more progress on this front.
hero member
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based on crypti images

For everyone who has a Crypti business/website and wants to show that it's based on the crypti network. Smiley









How about some "Powered by Crypti" ones for people building services on top of Crypti in the near future. ;-)
hero member
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Btw just to throw my opinion out there...

I agree that you should only release lite wallets for windows, because of the issue with windows not being able to correctly sync the time- which is not an issue with crypti but with windows. I'm curious though, does anybody know how quick a blocktime you can have before running into this problem? 10 sec is obvs too quick, but what about 20s or 30s? Would having the minimum blocktime capable of preventing this problem be possible if it is only a bit slower than the current blocktime? Might be worth the sacrifice in transaction time.

Also, I agree that there will need to be more incentive to setup a full node or else we will be left with only the 101 active delegates and perhaps a few extra. I don't know how much of a problem that would actually be (if at all), but I think it is inevitable if there is no incentive for inactive delegates (especially once the 101 active delegates have become so entrenched with so many votes and high uptime % that it seems impossible to make it into the active 101 for somebody setting up a new delegate).

We have projects in the works that take advantage of the 10s block times. Things like games being created to utilize the Crypti smart contracts would suffer from longer block times and confirmations. We aren't going to change our system from being one of the fastest in the industry and completely capable of working perfectly as long as people wanting to be delegates follow the recommended hardware specifications just to appease our #1 favorite troll (Starik).

If you want to run on windows, then you just don't need to be a delegate. You can run the lite wallet and still do anything you want to outside of being a delegate. Asking us to support and put time into building a client so home users can run the network on their crappy laptops is nonsensical. You would never ask Netflix to run their service off your laptop (and if you did, everyone's Netflix experience would be terrible).

Also, building in incentives for people to run nodes is outdated thinking and not necessary. It's an antiquated model based on the greed of the Crypto Currency pioneers and miners. People will be running real services and business on top of the Crypti Blockchain and they will want to run a full node to interface with the network and call the APIs. The $20 a month service fee to run the server will be chump change to them and they won't care about transaction fees and we will want to vote them in because their business depends on the security of the network and they wouldn't do anything to harm it.

Please try to look at the bigger picture and see how all of the pieces fit together.

Also, standby nodes will be able to register to be used for other purposes that will provide compensation in the form of fees from those utilizing them as a resource. This will be explained much more in detail when we are ready.
hero member
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes

You don't need a full node on Windows.
Another sign of dictatorship - you decide for others what they need and what not Shocked
If you really think like that Crypti forever will be closed club with no community and never became cryptocurrency Cry

With the only difference, that I can't force my opinion on others like a real dictator can. I can just state my opinion. Smiley
Not you, but devs. Grin
BTW, this could not happen if Crypti goes open source Roll Eyes

Starik, if someone were to run a full node on windows and try to become a delegate, it would be pointless. As soon as they became a delegate and were active and started missing blocks, they would just get voted out. So what is the point of supporting full nodes for windows? Full nodes aren't meant to be run by the average user. The Lite Wallet can interface with the delegates for anyone on a Windows box, but no one running an application, PoS, or otherwise would be running windows anyways.
legendary
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Okay I updated my Signature. Hopefully that will get a *little* more exposure. What other things can we do to get Crypti more awareness. Or I suppose once the design and store has been set up. We can focus our efforts towards marketing. It just a tough field with quite a few other coins out there..I don't see a real hurry to get out the code in open source. It will likely be ripped and ripped and ripped then repackage as coin X, Y z
Regards,
Brian
legendary
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my second delegate:China

first of all.
thank you guys help me and vote for my first Luiz.
as you know,due to the network problem,i have to move my first delegate Luiz to Vultr for a nice uptime.

this time,i setup my second node in China using Aliyun,which is a cloud server produce by Alibaba.

and after @Crypti 's help ,this server is more stable now,so i think it's time to setup my second delegate,i named it "China"
that shows that this delegate node will only stay in China
it's my Responsibility to make the Crypti network grow here.
i know there have very little Chinese in community now.and that's why i want to do this.

so,please vote for my second delegate :China
help us cross the "Great Fire Wall".

Node detail:
Node IP:123.57.212.110
Account: 6412113237994008527C
Delegate Name: China


Host: Aliyun
RAM : 512MB
SSD : 20 GB
CPU(s) : 1
Region: Beijing China
OS: Ubuntu 14.04 x64

Thanks for stepping up and providing a China delegate. Hopefully we can get more Chinese crypto enthusiast involved with Crypti.
Best regards
Brian
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my second delegate:China

first of all.
thank you guys help me and vote for my first Luiz.
as you know,due to the network problem,i have to move my first delegate Luiz to Vultr for a nice uptime.

this time,i setup my second node in China using Aliyun,which is a cloud server produce by Alibaba.

and after @Crypti 's help ,this server is more stable now,so i think it's time to setup my second delegate,i named it "China"
that shows that this delegate node will only stay in China
it's my Responsibility to make the Crypti network grow here.
i know there have very little Chinese in community now.and that's why i want to do this.

so,please vote for my second delegate :China
help us cross the "Great Fire Wall".

Node detail:
Node IP:123.57.212.110
Account: 6412113237994008527C
Delegate Name: China


Host: Aliyun
RAM : 512MB
SSD : 20 GB
CPU(s) : 1
Region: Beijing China
OS: Ubuntu 14.04 x64
hero member
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Btw just to throw my opinion out there...

I agree that you should only release lite wallets for windows, because of the issue with windows not being able to correctly sync the time- which is not an issue with crypti but with windows. I'm curious though, does anybody know how quick a blocktime you can have before running into this problem? 10 sec is obvs too quick, but what about 20s or 30s? Would having the minimum blocktime capable of preventing this problem be possible if it is only a bit slower than the current blocktime? Might be worth the sacrifice in transaction time.

Also, I agree that there will need to be more incentive to setup a full node or else we will be left with only the 101 active delegates and perhaps a few extra. I don't know how much of a problem that would actually be (if at all), but I think it is inevitable if there is no incentive for inactive delegates (especially once the 101 active delegates have become so entrenched with so many votes and high uptime % that it seems impossible to make it into the active 101 for somebody setting up a new delegate).

Imo 101 nodes are enough. DPoS is a system, which offers all the benefits of a centralized system with enough decentralization. It means that 101 is an empirical found number by the BitShares team, which offers great advantages.

+ Decentralized
+ Fast


It is not needed to have more nodes running at a time. The network works flawless with these 101 delegates. Even when we have 100x the volume.


This is my personal opinion through. Smiley

How many of the 101 are the same person or group/organization?

There are presently 8 delegates run by community members in the 101 club, the other 93 are run by the devs, or are fillers run by the foundation.  These are down voted as community members form delegates.  There are 5 community delegates in the standby list that need to be voted up to get into the 101.

sr. member
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Simcoin Puny Humans Communicator

How many of the 101 are the same person or group/organization?

Its no secret many of the initial 101 have multiple delegates to support the network initially. It was absolutely necessary.

They are trying to replace slowly with community members and ideally nobody should have more than one delegate.

But that is later in time when Crypti is widely used. Dapps will help that come sooner. My guess is cryptos will gain

mainstream mass adoption in the year 2058. The good news is Crypti has the potential to be in the top 3. Again my guess

by then for Crypti is around 1.2 Trillion $ market cap. That's the good news. The bad news is I won't be alive.

Or is that the good news? I forget.
sr. member
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Regular Crypti users especially Windows users should only ever use the lite wallet.
Being a delegate is a commitment and serious business. If you are serious about
being a delegate then you would not be running on a Windows machine now that
I think about it.

A Windows PC implies you are running other programs and restarting often
which would affect your up time over time. So a delegate would be running
it in the cloud or a dedicated Linux contraption anyway. This makes sense to me.



hero member
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Btw just to throw my opinion out there...

I agree that you should only release lite wallets for windows, because of the issue with windows not being able to correctly sync the time- which is not an issue with crypti but with windows. I'm curious though, does anybody know how quick a blocktime you can have before running into this problem? 10 sec is obvs too quick, but what about 20s or 30s? Would having the minimum blocktime capable of preventing this problem be possible if it is only a bit slower than the current blocktime? Might be worth the sacrifice in transaction time.

Also, I agree that there will need to be more incentive to setup a full node or else we will be left with only the 101 active delegates and perhaps a few extra. I don't know how much of a problem that would actually be (if at all), but I think it is inevitable if there is no incentive for inactive delegates (especially once the 101 active delegates have become so entrenched with so many votes and high uptime % that it seems impossible to make it into the active 101 for somebody setting up a new delegate).

Imo 101 nodes are enough. DPoS is a system, which offers all the benefits of a centralized system with enough decentralization. It means that 101 is an empirical found number by the BitShares team, which offers great advantages.

+ Decentralized
+ Fast


It is not needed to have more nodes running at a time. The network works flawless with these 101 delegates. Even when we have 100x the volume.


This is my personal opinion through. Smiley

How many of the 101 are the same person or group/organization?
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