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Recaps are good for all especially as threads get longer and interest increases.

So then there is no benefit to people running non delegate nodes. Sorry I'm too lazy to look up his name

but the guy who wants to run additional nodes in China to help the Crypti network has not been responded to

that he's wasting his energy. So the 101 delegate system makes Crypti a decentralized coin with the benefits of

centralized in a decentralized way.
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The 101 delegates are the network. Am I wrong? So really the only reason to have plenty of standbys are to backup

the 101 in case of under performance and/or being down voted. The guy who keeps saying Crypti is slow in China is he right?

If there are more Chinese delegates in the 101 would that make it faster there? Is that how it works?

I realize you have been away from our blog for awhile, grandpa_seth, so I will recap for you:

China has a "Great Firewall" that censors and filters all internet traffic... that is what slows the internet there.  As for the Delegates, we started with 101 foundation and dev delegates so that we could get the network up and running on Day 1.  The plan is for the community to then form delegates and the foundation to down vote its delegates to standby status.  There have been only a handful of community members that have formed nodes.

Originally, a delegate cost was 10,000 XCR....... after two weeks, we lowered that to 100 XCR.  Also we lowered the transaction fees from .5% to .1%. 

Presently, it is votes, and votes only that determine what delegates are in the 101 club.  If a delegate goes inactive, or stops forging for any reason, it still remains in the 101 club.  This will change in future versions.  Also, a delegate, once formed, cannot be deleted. 

Users can vote for the delegates they wish to be in the top 101.  There is one vote counted for each XCR in your wallet.  Voting costs 1XCR, and you can vote your total wallet for 33 delegates.  You can also remove your vote from up to 33 delegates per 1XCR vote fee.  Your total votes up cannot exceed 101 votes.  This takes 4 vote sessions to accomplish.  Many users only vote for a few delegates.  The total votes shows as APPROVAL in the Delegate page. 

The foundation controls 11% of the votes, and the dev team has purchased another 20% of the coins since the IPO.  25% are in Bter, and another 20% are in other exchanges.  That leaves about 24% that is in wallets of inactive investors.   

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based on crypti images

For everyone who has a Crypti business/website and wants to show that it's based on the crypti network. Smiley







sr. member
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The 101 delegates are the network. Am I wrong? So really the only reason to have plenty of standbys are to backup

the 101 in case of under performance and/or being down voted. The guy who keeps saying Crypti is slow in China is he right?

If there are more Chinese delegates in the 101 would that make it faster there? Is that how it works?
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Btw just to throw my opinion out there...

I agree that you should only release lite wallets for windows, because of the issue with windows not being able to correctly sync the time- which is not an issue with crypti but with windows. I'm curious though, does anybody know how quick a blocktime you can have before running into this problem? 10 sec is obvs too quick, but what about 20s or 30s? Would having the minimum blocktime capable of preventing this problem be possible if it is only a bit slower than the current blocktime? Might be worth the sacrifice in transaction time.

Also, I agree that there will need to be more incentive to setup a full node or else we will be left with only the 101 active delegates and perhaps a few extra. I don't know how much of a problem that would actually be (if at all), but I think it is inevitable if there is no incentive for inactive delegates (especially once the 101 active delegates have become so entrenched with so many votes and high uptime % that it seems impossible to make it into the active 101 for somebody setting up a new delegate).

Imo 101 nodes are enough. DPoS is a system, which offers all the benefits of a centralized system with enough decentralization. It means that 101 is an empirical found number by the BitShares team, which offers great advantages.

+ Decentralized
+ Fast


It is not needed to have more nodes running at a time. The network works flawless with these 101 delegates. Even when we have 100x the volume.


This is my personal opinion through. Smiley
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Boris, Crypti Lead Developer, Lisk Advisor
BTW, this could not happen if Crypti goes open source Roll Eyes

Speaking of this, what is the plan / timeline / rev number for Crypti to make its code public?

I can't say you now when, but we will publish source code soon.
But source code of previous versions, and i think without DPoS part.
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BTW, this could not happen if Crypti goes open source Roll Eyes

Speaking of this, what is the plan / timeline / rev number for Crypti to make its code public?
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Btw just to throw my opinion out there...

I agree that you should only release lite wallets for windows, because of the issue with windows not being able to correctly sync the time- which is not an issue with crypti but with windows. I'm curious though, does anybody know how quick a blocktime you can have before running into this problem? 10 sec is obvs too quick, but what about 20s or 30s? Would having the minimum blocktime capable of preventing this problem be possible if it is only a bit slower than the current blocktime? Might be worth the sacrifice in transaction time.

Also, I agree that there will need to be more incentive to setup a full node or else we will be left with only the 101 active delegates and perhaps a few extra. I don't know how much of a problem that would actually be (if at all), but I think it is inevitable if there is no incentive for inactive delegates (especially once the 101 active delegates have become so entrenched with so many votes and high uptime % that it seems impossible to make it into the active 101 for somebody setting up a new delegate).
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Why so much internal bickering? Common guys, Crypti is lucky in that for the most parts trolls have steered clear, let's not troll each other  Wink

This is starik for you. Smiley We all love each others. Wink
legendary
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes

You don't need a full node on Windows.
Another sign of dictatorship - you decide for others what they need and what not Shocked
If you really think like that Crypti forever will be closed club with no community and never became cryptocurrency Cry

With the only difference, that I can't force my opinion on others like a real dictator can. I can just state my opinion. Smiley
Not you, but devs. Grin
BTW, this could not happen if Crypti goes open source Roll Eyes
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eccentric???


Your ideas so are far to eccentric to be practically implemented, or have any use to Crypti (or any other crypto-currency) for that matter....

Eccentric.  



Which is actually accurate, I really am more like this IRL than Mal Reynolds....


Well, Mal, the difference between "crazy" and "eccentric" is respect. 
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Why so much internal bickering? Common guys, Crypti is lucky in that for the most parts trolls have steered clear, let's not troll each other  Wink
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes

You don't need a full node on Windows.
Another sign of dictatorship - you decide for others what they need and what not Shocked
If you really think like that Crypti forever will be closed club with no community and never became cryptocurrency Cry

With the only difference, that I can't force my opinion on others like a real dictator can. I can just state my opinion. Smiley
legendary
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes

You don't need a full node on Windows.
Another sign of dictatorship - you decide for others what they need and what not Shocked
If you really think like that Crypti forever will be closed club with no community and never became cryptocurrency Cry
legendary
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eccentric???


Your ideas so are far to eccentric to be practically implemented, or have any use to Crypti (or any other crypto-currency) for that matter....

Eccentric.  



Which is actually accurate, I really am more like this IRL than Mal Reynolds....
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legendary
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CRYPTI NEEDS TO PIGGYBACK ON THE CHIP-$9 PROJECT WHERE BITCOIN CANNOT AND SO BECOME KNOWN AMONG ITS SUPPORTERS, MANY OF WHOM HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY CRYPTOCOIN.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer

I agree it's a good idea, but why not target RPi users as well? The community is much larger than 10,000 mate.

I agree the Raspberry Pi community is much larger.  After three years, it is also already fragmented into many, many large subgroups that are now harder to reach.  The whole point of trying to associate with the CHIP team NOW is that they are just getting started and so there is the possibility of Crypti Lite becoming integrated into their standard software as a pre-installed desktop icon / standardized payment method.  

The CHIP-$9 is a much better platform for vendor platform cryptocurrency integration than RPi, and not because it's four times cheaper.  The Raspberry Pi is very oriented towards video (integrated camera / HDMI output support) and not so much internet connectivity (Ethernet plug only and no wifi unless you plug a dongle into a USB port).  The CHIP-$9 has integrated wifi and Bluetooth but only a simple composite video out for old yellow-jack standard def TVs.  Which one is easier to incorporate into an always-on point-of-sale terminal that can get a purchase onto the Crypti blockchain in ten seconds?  The cheap one with the built in wifi.

The devs rev Crypti up to ten-second blocktime to support fast confirmation / high transaction throughput and yet ***I*** get called eccentric for pushing a cheap microcomputer board as the basis of a Crypti Lite sales terminal and pushing for the early organization of their growing user base as potential customers.  So be it.   Smiley
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes

You don't need a full node on Windows.

it's right.
we dont need a full node on windows.but it should be base on "there have lots of full nodes all over the world"
 
but the situation is crypti's full node is too less now .too less node would slow down the sync,and make the network unstable.in euro is find, but in China ,there have only two nodes.

BTW,to setup a node, you can get nothing unless you become a detegate, if you can't give people a reason that why they should setup a linux full node and get nothing but have to pay the bill for servers, then the NO. of node will became decrease.until there would only 101 nodes left.

if we can make windows client to be a stable full node that would be better,because when someone open the full node wallet ,then he would be a node.
more node would be better.

You can set up a node for $5 a month on Vultr.   My Delegate is running from there, as well as most of the other 115 delegates.  The electricity to run a computer 24/7 from home would be more than that. 

We tried using Windows on home computers.  Between the time sync problem and the lag times, windows delegates proved to be unsatisfactory. 

The next Crypti Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Delegate nodes will be written in Linux.
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes

You don't need a full node on Windows.

it's right.
we dont need a full node on windows.but it should be base on "there have lots of full nodes all over the world"
 
but the situation is crypti's full node is too less now .too less node would slow down the sync,and make the network unstable.in euro is find, but in China ,there have only two nodes.

BTW,to setup a node, you can get nothing unless you become a detegate, if you can't give people a reason that why they should setup a linux full node and get nothing but have to pay the bill for servers, then the NO. of node will became decrease.until there would only 101 nodes left.

if we can make windows client to be a stable full node that would be better,because when someone open the full node wallet ,then he would be a node.
more node would be better.
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes

You don't need a full node on Windows.
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