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newbie
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The suggestion to develop a Crypti version for the CHIP is a good one, and they are local here in Oakland, so maybe we can arrange to meet.

I have even better option than $9 CHIP.  Someone's Android phone. They already have it - so it's free.  Just install Crypti Lite there.

I agree this is a great idea.  However, Crypti is written in node.js.

The advantage of the CHIP-$9 is that it runs Linux, which means it can run node.js, which means it can run Crypti.  So Crypti could reach 5,000-10,000 CHIP-$9 owners starting upon its initial release in Dec 2015 - Jan 2016.  

Running node.js natively as a compiled application in Android is theoretically possible but yet to be demonstrated, and impossible on iOS / iPhones.

There is "bridge" software under development called JXCore ( technically a fork of node.js)  that will allow node.js software to run on Android AND iOS.   This may be the most promising path to get Crypti running on mobile, but it is probably going to take a while.   See:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2838799/node-js/next-up-for-nodejs-going-mobile.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-rinaldi/build-mobile-apps-with-ja_b_6786920.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2886740/application-development/nodejs-variant-jxcore-goes-open-source-aims-for-mobile-developers.html
http://jxcore.com/home/

Crypti devs, I am not a node.js programmer, I just talk like one in forums to sound smart and impress people.  Please correct me where I am wrong in my analysis above.

Getting Crypti on mobile is critical.  All of the visible work so far is getting it onto desktops with a pretty UI, but the world is shifting away from desktops towards mobile devices and Crypti needs to as well.  What's the plan / timeline for that?

If we cannot get Crypti running on an Android smartphone by Jan 2016, I STRONGLY urge that we work to get it running for 10,000 CHIP-$9 users by Jan 2016.  Please discuss this in today's meeting if possible.

CHIP-$9 is taking off like a rocket.  They wanted to raise $50K, they currently have $750K pledged in the FIRST FIVE DAYS and they've still got 25 days to go.  They have added a second batch of deliveries for 5K units in Jan 2016 because their 5K units for Dec 2015 delivery have sold out.  CRYPTI NEEDS TO PIGGYBACK ON THE CHIP-$9 PROJECT WHERE BITCOIN CANNOT AND SO BECOME KNOWN AMONG ITS SUPPORTERS, MANY OF WHOM HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY CRYPTOCOIN.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer

I agree it's a good idea, but why not target RPi users as well? The community is much larger than 10,000 mate.
legendary
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In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.
Very bad move. Angry
This idol of 10sec block getting too much sacrifice for Crypti Roll Eyes
hero member
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With Windows, it is not a good idea to use the full node.  Use the Crypti Lite wallet instead.

There is an issue with the time sync within Windows that causes forks and the inability to sync the block chain.  In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.

You can try deleting the blockchain.db file and restarting the node.  This usually works.

What kind of issue is that ? Like what does it cause ?

With a 10 minute block time, or even a one minute per block time, the time on your windows computer can be off a few seconds from the official NIST time and still forge or sync.  But with the XCR 10 second block times, a difference of a few seconds in the time on your windows machine and the network time, as synced with NIST, has caused failures to forge blocks and forking of the block chain for that machine.  

It is a problem with Windows, not with Crypti.  

I'm guessing because the network is rejecting blocks that are outside of a certain time threshold (like too far in the future or past) ?


If a block sent to a Windows machine, or any delegate, is not returned in sufficient time, the block is sent to the next delegate in line to forge. The only affect on the network is a 10 second or so lengthening of the present 101 block cycle.  The delegate that forged that block too late is now on a possible fork.  At the end of the 101 block cycle, the network self corrects all delegates that may have forked, as well as updating the votes cast during that cycle, and moving delegates in or out of the standby mode to the 101 club.


If the delegate that missed forging in time is on a fork, and it is 80 blocks down, it can take awhile to resync.  Meanwhile, forging of blocks continues on the network as that delegate attempts to catch up.  Now, what if that delegate is sent another block to forge before completing the block chain sync?  Further forking?  I dont know for sure, but it is not helping to secure the network.
hero member
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With Windows, it is not a good idea to use the full node.  Use the Crypti Lite wallet instead.

There is an issue with the time sync within Windows that causes forks and the inability to sync the block chain.  In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.

You can try deleting the blockchain.db file and restarting the node.  This usually works.

What kind of issue is that ? Like what does it cause ?

With a 10 minute block time, or even a one minute per block time, the time on your windows computer can be off a few seconds from the official NIST time and still forge or sync.  But with the XCR 10 second block times, a difference of a few seconds in the time on your windows machine and the network time, as synced with NIST, has caused failures to forge blocks and forking of the block chain for that machine. 

It is a problem with Windows, not with Crypti. 

I'm guessing because the network is rejecting blocks that are outside of a certain time threshold (like too far in the future or past) ?
hero member
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With Windows, it is not a good idea to use the full node.  Use the Crypti Lite wallet instead.

There is an issue with the time sync within Windows that causes forks and the inability to sync the block chain.  In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.

You can try deleting the blockchain.db file and restarting the node.  This usually works.

What kind of issue is that ? Like what does it cause ?

With a 10 minute block time, or even a one minute per block time, the time on your windows computer can be off a few seconds from the official NIST time and still forge or sync.  But with the XCR 10 second block times, a difference of a few seconds in the time on your windows machine and the network time, as synced with NIST, has caused failures to forge blocks and forking of the block chain for that machine. 

It is a problem with Windows, not with Crypti. 
hero member
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With Windows, it is not a good idea to use the full node.  Use the Crypti Lite wallet instead.

There is an issue with the time sync within Windows that causes forks and the inability to sync the block chain.  In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.

You can try deleting the blockchain.db file and restarting the node.  This usually works.

What kind of issue is that ? Like what does it cause ?
full member
Activity: 157
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With Windows, it is not a good idea to use the full node.  Use the Crypti Lite wallet instead.

There is an issue with the time sync within Windows that causes forks and the inability to sync the block chain.  In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.

You can try deleting the blockchain.db file and restarting the node.  This usually works.

don't have to delete blockchain.db
just need to restart the client,then it would be normal.

when would be the next release? is there have a time line?
hero member
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Member of the Crypti Foundation Board of Directors
With Windows, it is not a good idea to use the full node.  Use the Crypti Lite wallet instead.

There is an issue with the time sync within Windows that causes forks and the inability to sync the block chain.  In future releases, Boris is not going to release Windows versions of the full wallet because of this issue.  Windows versions will be Lite wallets only.  Full wallets will be Linux based.

You can try deleting the blockchain.db file and restarting the node.  This usually works.
full member
Activity: 157
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i use my computer with system windows 8.1, setup the 0.2.0a wallet

when i syncing the blockchain.
the height increase to 256670/259356  and  then the height became decrease.

is this a bug ?
because i just setup the wallet in a normal way in a normal computer with windows.
or just the wallet is no stable in windows?

This is normal behaviour, as a fork countermeasure. Just wait and let it sync until end. If this still occurs, then please send the log files to us. (bugs @ crypti.me)

i think it is not  normal.
because if i restart the client and it would become sync as normal again.

but if i didnt restart the client ,the height would decrease to 0.

it's strange to decrease the height to 0 for cleaning the fork block.
it should increase the height after clean the fork block,but not to decrease to 0
so i think there must be something wrong.

full member
Activity: 157
Merit: 100
i use my computer with system windows 8.1, setup the 0.2.0a wallet

when i syncing the blockchain.
the height increase to 256670/259356  and  then the height became decrease.

is this a bug ?
because i just setup the wallet in a normal way in a normal computer with windows.
or just the wallet is no stable in windows?

I too have WIN 8.1 64 bit and since yesterday Crypti Client was down in absent and now
I got
Blockchain loading...
Blockchain loading: ({{height}}/{{blocksCount}} blocks)

when loading the client, and it stucks there.

I did an uninstall and reinstall, but nothing has changed.
Will try to use webwallet if I'm at home, but is there an problem with the client or the network?



you should try the lite wallet.if you just want to use a wallet to manage your coin.

i am using delegate wallet.
newbie
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i use my computer with system windows 8.1, setup the 0.2.0a wallet

when i syncing the blockchain.
the height increase to 256670/259356  and  then the height became decrease.

is this a bug ?
because i just setup the wallet in a normal way in a normal computer with windows.
or just the wallet is no stable in windows?

I too have WIN 8.1 64 bit and since yesterday Crypti Client was down in absent and now
I got
Blockchain loading...
Blockchain loading: ({{height}}/{{blocksCount}} blocks)

when loading the client, and it stucks there.

I did an uninstall and reinstall, but nothing has changed.
Will try to use webwallet if I'm at home, but is there an problem with the client or the network?
hero member
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Merit: 500
Crypti Community Manager
i use my computer with system windows 8.1, setup the 0.2.0a wallet

when i syncing the blockchain.
the height increase to 256670/259356  and  then the height became decrease.

is this a bug ?
because i just setup the wallet in a normal way in a normal computer with windows.
or just the wallet is no stable in windows?

This is normal behaviour, as a fork countermeasure. Just wait and let it sync until end. If this still occurs, then please send the log files to us. (bugs @ crypti.me)
full member
Activity: 157
Merit: 100
i use my computer with system windows 8.1, setup the 0.2.0a wallet

when i syncing the blockchain.
the height increase to 256670/259356  and  then the height became decrease.

is this a bug ?
because i just setup the wallet in a normal way in a normal computer with windows.
or just the wallet is no stable in windows?
full member
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Merit: 100
it's so difficult to buy more xcr

no sell order on Bter and Polo

no one wants to sell ,and no one want to buy up.
legendary
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Your ideas so are far to eccentric to be practically implemented, or have any use to Crypti (or any other crypto-currency) for that matter. I remember a while back you suggested an idea somewhat similar to this, whereby the Crypti Team spend thousands of dollars into buying low-cost Raspberry Pi's (correct me if I'm wrong), and give these for free to merchants to incentivise them to run Crypti nodes and use Crypti as a source of payment. Again that idea would have no practical use, would waste tons of money and provide almost zero growth to Crypti.

I apologize Mal if I come off as condescending, rude or if I sound offensive at any point in my post, but that is the brutal truth.

No apology necessary, I have a thick skin and I appreciate somebody that calls it like they see it.  I don't think you are condescending, rude or offensive.  99% of progress in a forum environment is overcoming crap, and I certainly have produced my share of that.

The Raspberry Pi idea of mine you refer to is back before DPoS when there was some hope / assumption that a simple CPU on the other end of a DSL line could participate as a forging node in the Crypti network.  We are way beyond that now and I would not suggest the same concept today.

I still feel, however, that the idea of putting simple computers in the hands of merchants is a key part of making Crypti a success.  This explains my continuing fascination with small computers like Raspberry Pi and CHIP-$9.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ultimately Crypti has to be used as a currency, which means a method of exchange between a buyer and a seller.  All the effort to support such an exchange capability so far has gone into cool UIs on a desktop computer environment.  Our current UI is not something a vendor is going to routinely use to accept payments of Crypti in a sales environment.  There needs to be a simple, small point-of-sale terminal continuously connected to the internet that a purchaser or vendor can use to accept Crypti without having to manually type in a long Crypti address or an even longer password.  The core of such a point-of-sale device is going to be something like a Raspberry Pi or CHIP -$9 that can run node.js via Linux.   A smartphone would be better, but as I pointed out above (and nobody has contradicted me on yet) node.js programs like Crypti and mobile platforms are not currently very compatible.

Maybe / hopefully there is some other way to making Crypti a "success" faster than the "Get cheap computers running Crypti to vendors" path I keep harping on.  Maybe the Foundation is already on this other path and I'm totally clueless.  I hope so.

Getting Crypti in front of eyeballs for consideration is a totally different effort, and I accept your analysis that CHIP-$9 is not the right "advertising" approach.  But...what is?  

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Great analysis Wulf. 

I see the main market for CHIP is ASIC farmers.  The Raspberry Pi is popular there due to its small electrical requirements.  The CHIP would be even more advantageous that the Pi.

As for third world used for the CHIP.  I can see a potential market where users own the CHIP,  then go to the Internet Cafes and plug in their CHIP to the power, monitor, and keyboard there.  The CHIP would allow them to hold and store their own files and operating system.  The drawback. of course, is they have to learn Linux, and it would be much more simple to just have a USB memory stick. 

hero member
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The suggestion to develop a Crypti version for the CHIP is a good one, and they are local here in Oakland, so maybe we can arrange to meet.

I have even better option than $9 CHIP.  Someone's Android phone. They already have it - so it's free.  Just install Crypti Lite there.

I agree this is a great idea.  However, Crypti is written in node.js.

The advantage of the CHIP-$9 is that it runs Linux, which means it can run node.js, which means it can run Crypti.  So Crypti could reach 5,000-10,000 CHIP-$9 owners starting upon its initial release in Dec 2015 - Jan 2016.  

Running node.js natively as a compiled application in Android is theoretically possible but yet to be demonstrated, and impossible on iOS / iPhones.

There is "bridge" software under development called JXCore ( technically a fork of node.js)  that will allow node.js software to run on Android AND iOS.   This may be the most promising path to get Crypti running on mobile, but it is probably going to take a while.   See:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2838799/node-js/next-up-for-nodejs-going-mobile.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-rinaldi/build-mobile-apps-with-ja_b_6786920.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2886740/application-development/nodejs-variant-jxcore-goes-open-source-aims-for-mobile-developers.html
http://jxcore.com/home/

Crypti devs, I am not a node.js programmer, I just talk like one in forums to sound smart and impress people.  Please correct me where I am wrong in my analysis above.

Getting Crypti on mobile is critical.  All of the visible work so far is getting it onto desktops with a pretty UI, but the world is shifting away from desktops towards mobile devices and Crypti needs to as well.  What's the plan / timeline for that?

If we cannot get Crypti running on an Android smartphone by Jan 2016, I STRONGLY urge that we work to get it running for 10,000 CHIP-$9 users by Jan 2016.  Please discuss this in today's meeting if possible.

CHIP-$9 is taking off like a rocket.  They wanted to raise $50K, they currently have $750K pledged in the FIRST FIVE DAYS and they've still got 25 days to go.  They have added a second batch of deliveries for 5K units in Jan 2016 because their 5K units for Dec 2015 delivery have sold out.  CRYPTI NEEDS TO PIGGYBACK ON THE CHIP-$9 PROJECT WHERE BITCOIN CANNOT AND SO BECOME KNOWN AMONG ITS SUPPORTERS, MANY OF WHOM HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY CRYPTOCOIN.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer

Mal, I'm going to be brutally honest with you. CHIP, as an investment would be totally worthless to Crypti, or any other crypto-currency or tech company/product etc. whatever whose sole purpose of investing into it would be exposure/marketing.

Let me explain, there are going to be two categories of people who buy CHIP.

Category 1: The Computer Enthusiasts

The people who fall into the first category are the "computing enthusiasts", these are people who probably bought the Raspberry Pi (or know about it), basically people who generally share an interest in computing (not the general public). I can tell you right now, that around 75% of those people who actually bought a CHIP are computer enthusiasts looking to buy something to tinker with or fund a cool project that they have an interest in. All of these people who buy CHIP will use it for a few hours or a couple of days and then never use it again, let alone explore the Crypti app on it.

Category 2: The People Who Actually Need It

The people who fall into the second category are the people who actually need it, not just to tinker around with it/dissect it/etc., but to actually use it as their primary means of computing. The people who fall into these categories are generally people from third world countries, or places with poor infrastructure, no access to the internet or limited access to computers. Out of those 20 000 or so current backers to the project, how many do you think actually fall into this second category, how many people do you think are buying this because they actually NEED it?

Out of those 20 000, I would say less than 50, heck I'd even say zero. Now you may think I'm pulling these figures out of a place where the sun don't shine, but look at the facts. Kickstarter is a website created for the sole purpose of crowd-funding projects that people post on the internet. The only way that you'd discover tech projects on Kickstarter is if you are a "computer enthusiast" and regularly check Kickstarter for fun new projects, or if the story of a new Kickstarter tech-based project has been carried by technology websites, which you as a "computer enthusiast" read. In both of these cases you fall into the first category of buyers, those who buy it just for the fun of it.

The people who actually need to buy CHIP (the people whom the CHIP team built it for), don't pay any attention to Kickstarter or haven't heard about Kickstarter,  and secondly will not be reading any tech-related websites (that's if they have internet access). The sole purpose of CHIP is to produce a cheap computer to help people less fortunate than us to get access to a computer. Their people in their target demographic, probably don't even have time to surf the internet or keep up with the latest tech trends, because they are too busy trying to make ends meet. The actual people who need CHIP will never hear about it, and CHIP will therefore never be bought by them. Also the team building CHIP, will never have enough funds or infrastructure to produce and ship their products to the third world where their target demographic is.

Now onto the notion that CHIP will be "bought by millions and bought by the general public". This will NEVER happen. The general public literally do not have a care in the world about CHIP. Most of the general public can afford a $500 computer, if so why would they ever buy CHIP? CHIP is cumbersome, slow, and serves absolutely no practical use to them. Why would they buy CHIP when they already have smartphones that can do everything CHIP can do and run circles around it?

CHIP is a computer enthusiasts toy, built for computer enthusiasts which serves no practical use to the people who buy it, and will never be bought by the people who need it.

Crypti will get absolutely no exposure out of investing into CHIP, nor would anything else. CHIP will be hyped up for a few months, bought by a few thousand people, and will then be forgotten completely (OUYA anyone?).

Your ideas so are far to eccentric to be practically implemented, or have any use to Crypti (or any other crypto-currency) for that matter. I remember a while back you suggested an idea somewhat similar to this, whereby the Crypti Team spend thousands of dollars into buying low-cost Raspberry Pi's (correct me if I'm wrong), and give these for free to merchants to incentivise them to run Crypti nodes and use Crypti as a source of payment. Again that idea would have no practical use, would waste tons of money and provide almost zero growth to Crypti.

I apologize Mal if I come off as condescending, rude or if I sound offensive at any point in my post, but that is the brutal truth.
legendary
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If devs failed with POT could they make it open source? Huh
hero member
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Care to elaborate?
Who? What? And when?
We have a more lucrative crowd sale coming soon.
Quoting your local TV news:

Stay tuned, Film at 11.
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Care to elaborate?
Who? What? And when?
We have a more lucrative crowd sale coming soon.
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