Topic: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos - page 158. (Read 1484218 times)

The Blocknet isn't a "decentralised trustless privacy platform". It's a way of getting nodes to communicate.

XChat is an XC feature. It will always be.

As for the relation between XCurrency and XC Inc:
- XC Inc develops tech for XCurrency. It's committed to XCurrency.
- It is the legal entity that enables XCurrency to interface with the business world. As such it gains vitally important connections for XCurrency.
- If XC Inc sells XChat, then:
   a) it'll still run on the XCurrency network
   b) XC users will still use it
   c) XChat will benefit from some enormous corporation's marketing
   d) XC Inc shareholders will earn big time from the sale.

So nothing is being taken away from XC. Nothing at all. Not one feature.

All that's happening is that the Blocknet gives XC a massively increased userbase. That's it.

That's big (potentially)..

Is there scope for XChat to bypass the internet in the way that  firechat does?
http://opengarden.com/firechat

I know they will be distinct but I am confused on what services will be offered by XC, or more importantly its niche.  Is it just mixing or is there more, will it still be a "Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat" or are these niches now taken by Blocknet and XC Inc.

Did you miss my post above about "ownership" of XChat? XC holders will get shares in XC Inc and will therefore effectively "own" (i.e. get paid for) XChat twice in the event that XC Inc sells the tech to a third party.

Let's just keep things simple:

- XC and the Blocknet are entirely distinct, and none of XC's features are porting over to the Blocknet.
- Why not? - because that's like saying Google's features are going to port over to the internet. Huh? No. Doesn't make sense.


Did you miss my post above about "ownership" of XChat? XC holders will get shares in XC Inc and will therefore effectively "own" (i.e. get paid for) XChat twice in the event that XC Inc sells the tech to a third party.

What's xBlock? Did you read the PR? Nothing in there is called that. :-)

Its what you don't see, currently we are working on wrapping up the mobile application, which features a completely redesigned UI, which takes time, along side this effort we are working on the final editions of Group XChat, and we just wrapped up decentralized mixing

For the Last 4 weeks, the combined man-hours put into development across all of this is WELL over 600 Man hours just in development effort alone ** edit ** this also includes a non-disclosed application **

Dan

Let's just keep things simple:

- XC and the Blocknet are entirely distinct, and none of XC's features are porting over to the Blocknet.
- Why not? - because that's like saying Google's features are going to port over to the internet. Huh? No. Doesn't make sense.


Did you miss my post above about "ownership" of XChat? XC holders will get shares in XC Inc and will therefore effectively "own" (i.e. get paid for) XChat twice in the event that XC Inc sells the tech to a third party.

What's xBlock? Did you read the PR? Nothing in there is called that. :-)

Yeah I guess I understood this, but its not much of a service.  At the moment we are the best at this, but soon it will be open source, and it wont take long for other coins to adopt this feature internally.  So in the end we will own nothing.  I thought that we would at least own the items on the roadmap like Xchat, but this is now looking doubtful and the ability to distribute content which now seems more plausibly done by Xblock.  I think xBlock is becoming what we all had hoped XC would become.

I don't think it was fair to make xBlock an owned entity, it should have been a open not-for-profit entity.  There will always be a tug-a-war between xblocks needs for profit and the coins.  I cannot see it working.  It will just implode.  Sorry I feel this way.  I would love to be proved otherwise.

I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.

I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.

Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".

Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.

I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.

Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.

I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.

This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.

Its not really a discussion about open vs closed, that discussion has been had and the community (and I agree) agree on the current position.

I just need some help understanding exactly what I am investing in, or what service XC will offer the blocknet.  At the moment offering mixing alone does not seem to be a strong enough service given it can be replicated, and given we might loose XChat and other items on the roadmap.

It definitely is.

We're working on a large number of details and will be publishing them widely very soon.

Yeah I guess I understood this, but its not much of a service.  At the moment we are the best at this, but soon it will be open source, and it wont take long for other coins to adopt this feature internally.  So in the end we will own nothing.  I thought that we would at least own the items on the roadmap like Xchat, but this is now looking doubtful and the ability to distribute content which now seems more plausibly done by Xblock.  I think xBlock is becoming what we all had hoped XC would become.

I don't think it was fair to make xBlock an owned entity, it should have been a open not-for-profit entity.  There will always be a tug-a-war between xblocks needs for profit and the coins.  I cannot see it working.  It will just implode.  Sorry I feel this way.  I would love to be proved otherwise.

the blocknet will not have its own mixer. there is only the Xmixer in the Xnodes. but beyond all Xnodes this mixer is now also accessible through Xbridge for other coins. but just for use not for earning fees. you still need the xnode with 1k xc running to earn fees. just the potential user base increases dramatically through blocknet. all nodes from all coins hosting the Xbridge are called the Blocknet. thats how i understand it. so sdc don't get mixed in the xc mixer. there will be an exchange going on the way in and out.

in short the Xmixer is still an XC exclusive service you need to hold xc for to capitalise on the fees. Blocknet accelerates the adoption and userbase.

I am also a little unclear on how the blocknet xcmixer will work.  If this is the main product XC has to offer then we need to be clear about the logic.  I say own SDC I want to mix my SDC coins I send it to an XC Mixer, it then mixes XC coins, and then sends SDC coins back.  I must be missing something because this does not make sense.  My SDC coins have not been mixed by XC they have just been sent back n forth from the xblock.  So XCurrency gives up its tech to the Xblock and XC now has no real service to offer because this is now done by XBlock by default?  Sorry a little negative in tone, just trying to make sense of everything.

what version are you using?   


if not v2.49.08e

download

http://downloads.xc-official.com/release/windows/XCurrency_2.49.08e.exe

This would invalidate any anonymity that would be gained by using the XC transaction in the middle, because the system would have to link the in and out trades together.

Ubuntu Linux Wallets, stable branch, release  - if you had downloaded the test release posted earlier, please update to the stable branch

http://downloads.xc-official.com/release/linux/ubuntu/0.9.2.49.08e/

OSX Wallet v2.49.08e - stable branch, test release


http://downloads.xc-official.com/testing/OSX/

quick question for teka or syn.

  Where do you guys sit with the Aero dev Majika??  It is little known he is actually one of the most qualified devs who has a resume I can see.   I believe he would have alot to bring to the table.  I am by no means trying to begin the flood of "lets bring all these other coins on" but I think if you had a chat with him about where you are looking to go, and what he is currently working on... Well I will let you guys figure that out.  Im sure you guys already know more than me and are well a head of what I am already suggesting ..