Here is my 2cent on the whether we should roll back in case of we get hacked.
We shouldn't talk about it until we actually have to cross that bridge .
If we all agree we would never roll back, it only makes us a bigger target for hackers.
On the other hand, if we all agree to rollback, it will give hackers less incentive to hack us. Since he won't gain anything.
So the smart thing to do for now is just not talking about it and do not commit to anything
Thank you guys
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August 15, 2014, 04:09:27 PM
August 15, 2014, 04:02:03 PM
oi oi... back up to 162 
Sweet, performing better than btc. And let's not forget there should be a white paper coming soon!
Either today, tomorrow, or Sunday!
A whitepaper is something XC desperately needs... especially with coins like mammoth and supercoin claiming to soon have the first decentralized trustless anon solution (that uses multisig).
XC has had this already available for over a month.
I agree brother.
I'm of the opinion we are too gentle with the competition.
We should do a thorough competitive analysis of us compared to other anon coins. New investors and people who don't read this forum frequently get lost in the sea of alt coins claiming to be anon/anonexchange!/EM!/trustless and for vast majority of them it's complete bullshit. Excuse my french.
Perhaps we should leave out the more established anon coins e.g. DRK and Monero and focus on the ones that peddle false promises and delayed functionality. I mean I just read the VOOT topic, are they FOR REAL? The topic title is "anon exchange released" and yet 50 pages later still no anon exchange released.
Then there is Mammoth coin spreading lies about Dan's tech, saying it's not trustless when it was trustless as proved by the blockchain since 7/7/2014.
Time to take off the kid gloves I think and come out fighting. Most coins in our position would be bashing all these pretenders... not with FUD but with facts!
I agree with this. We need to have a transparent, facts-based comparison to other coins with similar offerings. It's like it's taboo to even mention other coins. XC doesn't exist in a vacuum. There needs to be perspective and context. We want an influx of intelligent investors. Guess what what intelligent investors do? They compare. Why not make it simple for them? Many of us have been championing XC for so long that I sometimes think it's difficult for us to view things from the perspective of an impartial, curious investor.
I feel our community is mature enough to pull this off in a manner that does not promote the spread of fud, just the facts.
Hows about, in the future if anyone comes across a thread claiming things that are untrue, they post the link in this thread, and we reply with the facts, politely, and set them straight.
(this is what i have basically been doing if i see any bullshit on other threads)
Most other threads I have come across are filled with posts of people just giving each other abuse and going off on one. If we reply maturely, any serious investor is gonna know where to go
things turned ugly so we stopped... useless to argue with a stubborn guy.
we know he was talking BS
Yeah, I did see that. Not really sure what the solution is when you got a self moderated thread and any reasonable replies get deleted. I cant see them getting very far though, don't think we got much to worry about there though.
August 15, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
what is the best bitcoin wallet? (im moving my btc off the exchange)
August 15, 2014, 03:47:05 PM
oi oi... back up to 162
Sweet, performing better than btc. And let's not forget there should be a white paper coming soon!
Either today, tomorrow, or Sunday!
A whitepaper is something XC desperately needs... especially with coins like mammoth and supercoin claiming to soon have the first decentralized trustless anon solution (that uses multisig).
XC has had this already available for over a month.
I agree brother.
I'm of the opinion we are too gentle with the competition.
We should do a thorough competitive analysis of us compared to other anon coins. New investors and people who don't read this forum frequently get lost in the sea of alt coins claiming to be anon/anonexchange!/EM!/trustless and for vast majority of them it's complete bullshit. Excuse my french.
Perhaps we should leave out the more established anon coins e.g. DRK and Monero and focus on the ones that peddle false promises and delayed functionality. I mean I just read the VOOT topic, are they FOR REAL? The topic title is "anon exchange released" and yet 50 pages later still no anon exchange released.
Then there is Mammoth coin spreading lies about Dan's tech, saying it's not trustless when it was trustless as proved by the blockchain since 7/7/2014.
Time to take off the kid gloves I think and come out fighting. Most coins in our position would be bashing all these pretenders... not with FUD but with facts!
I agree with this. We need to have a transparent, facts-based comparison to other coins with similar offerings. It's like it's taboo to even mention other coins. XC doesn't exist in a vacuum. There needs to be perspective and context. We want an influx of intelligent investors. Guess what what intelligent investors do? They compare. Why not make it simple for them? Many of us have been championing XC for so long that I sometimes think it's difficult for us to view things from the perspective of an impartial, curious investor.
I feel our community is mature enough to pull this off in a manner that does not promote the spread of fud, just the facts.
Hows about, in the future if anyone comes across a thread claiming things that are untrue, they post the link in this thread, and we reply with the facts, politely, and set them straight.
(this is what i have basically been doing if i see any bullshit on other threads)
Most other threads I have come across are filled with posts of people just giving each other abuse and going off on one. If we reply maturely, any serious investor is gonna know where to go
things turned ugly so we stopped... useless to argue with a stubborn guy.
we know he was talking BS
August 15, 2014, 03:40:46 PM
Don't want to tempt fate, im probably wrong, but it looks to me like XC is starting to move away from ridiculous cheap area... These prices will look very good next week I imagine and we will have many on the board saying please drop onto my buy orders at 190...
You have to love the human condition, as soon as something starts going up, you watch, certain people will want it down again just so they can then get their share before it rises.....
My advice.. Get in soon...
You have to love the human condition, as soon as something starts going up, you watch, certain people will want it down again just so they can then get their share before it rises.....
My advice.. Get in soon...
August 15, 2014, 03:28:15 PM
Hi Guys,
Sorry I've been unavailable today but I was celebrating today's polish holiday. Best way to contact me is via twitter: @drasticraven or here via pm since it's sent straight to my phone.
Thanks
Sorry I've been unavailable today but I was celebrating today's polish holiday. Best way to contact me is via twitter: @drasticraven or here via pm since it's sent straight to my phone.
Thanks
August 15, 2014, 02:52:04 PM
oi oi... back up to 162
Sweet, performing better than btc. And let's not forget there should be a white paper coming soon!
Either today, tomorrow, or Sunday!
A whitepaper is something XC desperately needs... especially with coins like mammoth and supercoin claiming to soon have the first decentralized trustless anon solution (that uses multisig).
XC has had this already available for over a month.
I agree brother.
I'm of the opinion we are too gentle with the competition.
We should do a thorough competitive analysis of us compared to other anon coins. New investors and people who don't read this forum frequently get lost in the sea of alt coins claiming to be anon/anonexchange!/EM!/trustless and for vast majority of them it's complete bullshit. Excuse my french.
Perhaps we should leave out the more established anon coins e.g. DRK and Monero and focus on the ones that peddle false promises and delayed functionality. I mean I just read the VOOT topic, are they FOR REAL? The topic title is "anon exchange released" and yet 50 pages later still no anon exchange released.
Then there is Mammoth coin spreading lies about Dan's tech, saying it's not trustless when it was trustless as proved by the blockchain since 7/7/2014.
Time to take off the kid gloves I think and come out fighting. Most coins in our position would be bashing all these pretenders... not with FUD but with facts!
I agree with this. We need to have a transparent, facts-based comparison to other coins with similar offerings. It's like it's taboo to even mention other coins. XC doesn't exist in a vacuum. There needs to be perspective and context. We want an influx of intelligent investors. Guess what what intelligent investors do? They compare. Why not make it simple for them? Many of us have been championing XC for so long that I sometimes think it's difficult for us to view things from the perspective of an impartial, curious investor.
I feel our community is mature enough to pull this off in a manner that does not promote the spread of fud, just the facts.
Hows about, in the future if anyone comes across a thread claiming things that are untrue, they post the link in this thread, and we reply with the facts, politely, and set them straight.
(this is what i have basically been doing if i see any bullshit on other threads)
Most other threads I have come across are filled with posts of people just giving each other abuse and going off on one. If we reply maturely, any serious investor is gonna know where to go
August 15, 2014, 02:37:41 PM
oi oi... back up to 162
Sweet, performing better than btc. And let's not forget there should be a white paper coming soon!
Either today, tomorrow, or Sunday!
A whitepaper is something XC desperately needs... especially with coins like mammoth and supercoin claiming to soon have the first decentralized trustless anon solution (that uses multisig).
XC has had this already available for over a month.
I agree brother.
I'm of the opinion we are too gentle with the competition.
We should do a thorough competitive analysis of us compared to other anon coins. New investors and people who don't read this forum frequently get lost in the sea of alt coins claiming to be anon/anonexchange!/EM!/trustless and for vast majority of them it's complete bullshit. Excuse my french.
Perhaps we should leave out the more established anon coins e.g. DRK and Monero and focus on the ones that peddle false promises and delayed functionality. I mean I just read the VOOT topic, are they FOR REAL? The topic title is "anon exchange released" and yet 50 pages later still no anon exchange released.
Then there is Mammoth coin spreading lies about Dan's tech, saying it's not trustless when it was trustless as proved by the blockchain since 7/7/2014.
Time to take off the kid gloves I think and come out fighting. Most coins in our position would be bashing all these pretenders... not with FUD but with facts!
I agree with this. We need to have a transparent, facts-based comparison to other coins with similar offerings. It's like it's taboo to even mention other coins. XC doesn't exist in a vacuum. There needs to be perspective and context. We want an influx of intelligent investors. Guess what what intelligent investors do? They compare. Why not make it simple for them? Many of us have been championing XC for so long that I sometimes think it's difficult for us to view things from the perspective of an impartial, curious investor.
I feel our community is mature enough to pull this off in a manner that does not promote the spread of fud, just the facts.
August 15, 2014, 02:26:25 PM
Let me remind you guys, in our official forum you can find the official Price Speculation Topic, and the coin control Newb friendly guide, you can find both in my sig! Keep this topic clean for updates plz!
Just re-posting for all who are unaware as I was before reading.
I think im being retarded here, but i cant find the coin control guide...
August 15, 2014, 02:21:51 PM
NEVER do a rollback. I can't take any coin that does a rollback seriously, because then you've just elected the dev as your central authority. Why not just use fiat if you're ok with that?
I have to agree here!
We are discussing hypothetically regarding XC due to the recent hacks affecting Vericoin and Nxt of course
August 15, 2014, 02:14:30 PM
Let me remind you guys, in our official forum you can find the official Price Speculation Topic, and the coin control Newb friendly guide, you can find both in my sig! Keep this topic clean for updates plz!
Just re-posting for all who are unaware as I was before reading.
August 15, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
Just got all my coins off mintpal.
Coins are safe if unlocked for staking only yeah?
+1 on missing the daily update.
Coins are safe if unlocked for staking only yeah?
+1 on missing the daily update.
August 15, 2014, 01:50:24 PM
I am sorely missing the XC daily update! 
August 15, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
finally some movements! It's time to rise again!!
too long under the right price!
too long under the right price!
August 15, 2014, 01:35:27 PM
I agree brother.
I'm of the opinion we are too gentle with the competition.
We should do a thorough competitive analysis of us compared to other anon coins. New investors and people who don't read this forum frequently get lost in the sea of alt coins claiming to be anon/anonexchange!/EM!/trustless and for vast majority of them it's complete bullshit. Excuse my french.
Perhaps we should leave out the more established anon coins e.g. DRK and Monero and focus on the ones that peddle false promises and delayed functionality. I mean I just read the VOOT topic, are they FOR REAL? The topic title is "anon exchange released" and yet 50 pages later still no anon exchange released.
Then there is Mammoth coin spreading lies about Dan's tech, saying it's not trustless when it was trustless as proved by the blockchain since 7/7/2014.
Time to take off the kid gloves I think and come out fighting. Most coins in our position would be bashing all these pretenders... not with FUD but with facts!
man. do not give a shit to those shitcoins.
almost come to consensus XC anonymity is top notch
August 15, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
if XC gets hacked on an exchange and people loose there coins how about they suck it up and take responsibility for there own risk, the reason they would keep it there was so they could try to swing trade, that's there decision and not any one Else's, there for if they loose there coins it's there problem and not anyone Else's, end of story. why should others suffer? lol we shouldn't and we won't...this discussion is stupid.
August 15, 2014, 01:31:17 PM
BTC down, XC up?
August 15, 2014, 01:29:42 PM
oi oi... back up to 162
Sweet, performing better than btc. And let's not forget there should be a white paper coming soon!
Either today, tomorrow, or Sunday!
A whitepaper is something XC desperately needs... especially with coins like mammoth and supercoin claiming to soon have the first decentralized trustless anon solution (that uses multisig).
XC has had this already available for over a month.
I agree brother.
I'm of the opinion we are too gentle with the competition.
We should do a thorough competitive analysis of us compared to other anon coins. New investors and people who don't read this forum frequently get lost in the sea of alt coins claiming to be anon/anonexchange!/EM!/trustless and for vast majority of them it's complete bullshit. Excuse my french.
Perhaps we should leave out the more established anon coins e.g. DRK and Monero and focus on the ones that peddle false promises and delayed functionality. I mean I just read the VOOT topic, are they FOR REAL? The topic title is "anon exchange released" and yet 50 pages later still no anon exchange released.
Then there is Mammoth coin spreading lies about Dan's tech, saying it's not trustless when it was trustless as proved by the blockchain since 7/7/2014.
Time to take off the kid gloves I think and come out fighting. Most coins in our position would be bashing all these pretenders... not with FUD but with facts!
August 15, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
oi oi... back up to 162
Sweet, performing better than btc. And let's not forget there should be a white paper coming soon!
Either today, tomorrow, or Sunday!
A whitepaper is something XC desperately needs... especially with coins like mammoth and supercoin claiming to soon have the first decentralized trustless anon solution (that uses multisig).
XC has had this already available for over a month.
maybe go deep, we can find rev1. lol
August 15, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
If it's decided by a weighted vote in accordance with how much XC you own, a rollback would never happen.
Lots of the people who kept funds on the exchange would have taken a big hit to their XC reducing their voting power. And the majority of people who were unaffected (50%+) will never vote for the rollback.
Come From Beyond (NXT dev) tried to be subtle with his phrasing but he was pushing for a rollback imo. But the NXT votes via forging were massively against it. I own >1% of NXT and in my position where I could lose a lot of money, would rather see the price take a hit from panic and the thief dumping, then NXT losing all integrity and going on a death spiral and forever suffering FUD.
This is one reason why I think if we ever implement a voting system, the votes are weighted by the amount of XC you own (disclaimer - I own a lot, but I would honestly advance this viewpoint regardless. The same way I was against the Vericoin rollback and posting my thoughts without owning any).
Lots of the people who kept funds on the exchange would have taken a big hit to their XC reducing their voting power. And the majority of people who were unaffected (50%+) will never vote for the rollback.
Come From Beyond (NXT dev) tried to be subtle with his phrasing but he was pushing for a rollback imo. But the NXT votes via forging were massively against it. I own >1% of NXT and in my position where I could lose a lot of money, would rather see the price take a hit from panic and the thief dumping, then NXT losing all integrity and going on a death spiral and forever suffering FUD.
This is one reason why I think if we ever implement a voting system, the votes are weighted by the amount of XC you own (disclaimer - I own a lot, but I would honestly advance this viewpoint regardless. The same way I was against the Vericoin rollback and posting my thoughts without owning any).
This should be a decision the devs make, before there is an attack on xc. Having a weighted vote means centralized control over xcurrency. I personally don't want the wealthiest xc investors making decisions that will affect me financially. If people lose they're xc on exchanges they should be on their own.
Really though it's the only way to do it. If XC votes were equal, what's to stop someone with twice as much XC as you splitting his XC in half and voting twice?
A weighted vote is not centralised.
Logically, the more of XC someone owns, the greater say they should have as they are more affected by the voting outcome.
Additionally, if the vote wasn't weighted, the very example we are talking about could see a rollback executed (lots and lots of small fish on a big exchange).
The good news is the consensus in here is not to do a rollback so this XC voting discussion is moot. Perhaps Dan can go on record now and say no rollbacks will happen under any circumstances whilst the source code is closed and under his control. That would stop any future disagreements if Mintpal was hacked (because suddenly a lot of people would say they want a rollback
)p.s. to anyone new to the topic reading about rollbacks, there has been no XC hacks. It's a hypothetical discussion.
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