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legendary
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can someone explain to me what i am looking at?

An altcoin payment processor that settles on the back in BTC and/or XMR.

If I read correctly, there was an effort to raise 200k USD for it? I really fail to see why this would require 200k USD (?)... Is it a "downsized" version? What am I missing?


legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
I've spent hundreds of hours reading about Monero, interacting with the Monero community, and assessing how the dev team (especially smooth, fluffypony, and David Latapie) behave towards the community and towards outsiders. I am convinced that they are smart, competent, and honest. Monero was forked from Bytecoin because of righteous indignation at their ninja-mine scam. The Monero community crystalized around the idea that Monero would be different. And because of that, it is and will be. This may be difficult for newcomers to appreciate and may come across as moralistic trolling. But in actuality it is having high standards and holding others to the same standard.

This is all true but it is understandable when the standard of behavior in this community is so low it is: a) hard to believe, and b) of no use for us to state it because on one believes it anyway (and reasonably so). It's more reasonable in some objective sense to see this project as just another one of many scams than to believe it really is different.

So we will just carry on with the project and actions will speak louder than words (if more slowly). If you've been around since last year you can see that the amount of attacks against the project and core team are actually a lot lower now, I think a small indication that the message is getting through. It won't reach everyone immediately (or even perhaps eventually) though, nor do I expect it to.



After months of watching this coin I saw this truth, as the saying goes "Actions speak louder than words", and this teams actions speak volumes.
legendary
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can someone explain to me what i am looking at?

Web application to pay Bills with Monero and Bitcoins.  Question is: globally or is it restricted geographically?
donator
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
can someone explain to me what i am looking at?

An altcoin payment processor that settles on the back in BTC and/or XMR.
legendary
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can someone explain to me what i am looking at?
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
Well this was going to be a surprise, but I suppose now is as good a time as any. We literally said we were going to go back to the original idea and launch with various currencies being supported. So to correct you, here is Vertpay now:













...

You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots!

I for one would like to thank BlockHeadfet for forcing Fluffy to show us this!!!  Cheesy

And BlockHeadFet why don't you ask this shit of Evan?
hero member
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For additional entertainment, read BlockaFett's cringeworthy attempts to understand what cryptography even is in the XMR v. DRK thread. But being way out of his depth on a subject is no barrier for a guy with no self-awareness.
hero member
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eidoo wallet
legendary
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I've spent hundreds of hours reading about Monero, interacting with the Monero community, and assessing how the dev team (especially smooth, fluffypony, and David Latapie) behave towards the community and towards outsiders. I am convinced that they are smart, competent, and honest. Monero was forked from Bytecoin because of righteous indignation at their ninja-mine scam. The Monero community crystalized around the idea that Monero would be different. And because of that, it is and will be. This may be difficult for newcomers to appreciate and may come across as moralistic trolling. But in actuality it is having high standards and holding others to the same standard.

This is all true but it is understandable when the standard of behavior in this community is so low it is: a) hard to believe, and b) of no use for us to state it because on one believes it anyway (and reasonably so). It's more reasonable in some objective sense to see this project as just another one of many scams than to believe it really is different.

So we will just carry on with the project and actions will speak louder than words (if more slowly). If you've been around since last year you can see that the amount of attacks against the project and core team are actually a lot lower now, I think a small indication that the message is getting through. It won't reach everyone immediately (or even perhaps eventually) though, nor do I expect it to.

legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
A new missive is out! #27

Quote

EXTERN PROJECTS FOR THE WEEK OF 2015-03-30

To download the podcast directly please use this link to the MP3, or this link to the AAC/MP4, or this link to the FLAC.

A brief summary of the points discussed follows, a full transcription of the podcast is outstanding (can be submitted via Github Issues ).

In this week's podcast we interview Jojatekok, the 17 year old creator of the MoneroX GUI, and discuss his switch to cross-platform support for MoneroX, as well as some of his future plans. We also spend some time musing over his youth, and wondering where ours went to!

Until next week!


Great Interview and I'm glad I didn't have to pronounce "Jojatekok"! LOL

Just an FYI, C Sharp has always been Platform Independent, the issue is the .net libraries have not.
legendary
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relevant enough xpost

When I read this writing, I immediately was reminded of how this forum operates and the behavior of people around here operating under the self proclaimed title of "scambuster" or something similar claiming to be doing a "service for the community".  In reality they are only seeking public justification for relentlessly harassing targeted individuals so they can continue to do so without repercussion, at the expense of the entire community. Social justice warriors are active here on Bitcointalk, only here they like to call themselves "scambusters", and they are every bit as obsessive compulsive, narcissistic, and fascist. Unfortunately this is a global issue, not just effecting Bitcointalk. Real oppressors always wear the skin of a liberator, this way they can get all of the true believer's packed with cognitive dissonance to mindlessly dump hate upon targets they designate. This is a growing problem for all walks of life. Please be on the alert for this sociopathic behavior disguised as justice.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/joshua-goldberg/2014/12/when-social-justice-warriors-attack-one-tumblr-users-experience/
http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/creating-a-culture-of-denunciation/
legendary
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You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots!

Hopefully your investors will look at what I said and do their own research and make their own decision.  

The fact that in response it looks like you have actually resurrected the VertPay 'project' and now presumably going to hock that off the back of Monero (that you are a 'volunteer' for) I think goes some way to prove my point........

I'm not 'desperately' trying to find negative things to say about you and I have refrained from posting here after being attacked by (the less credible of the) Monero people for the last 4 weeks on other threads as they go around trying to pump Monero price by defaming any coin remotely within their space, I just did 30 minutes reading today and what I found I thought was worth showing to people here, mainly because of how 'honest' everyone automatically assumes your intentions are when from experience and losing a lot of $ in scams before, I don't take at face value.

I am not attacking the Monero project itself, but when I see hypocrisy and then get attacked, obviously I am going to state the obvious for people.

No point in repeating my concerns, it should be obvious. I will check back in 6 months and see how you are doing........

cheers

A six month break from your shilling is a lifetime of joy for me. Please stay away. You have tried your best to promote your shitcoin at the expense of Monero. The energy that you have wasted is duly noted.
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The fact that in response it looks like you have actually resurrected the VertPay 'project' and now presumably going to hock that off the back of Monero (that you are a 'volunteer' for) I think goes some way to prove my point........

Nothing's been resurrected, it never stopped. There were some major underlying changes to support a new-found vision, and the decision not to move ahead with the IPO meant we had to develop at a much slower pace, but development never stopped.

I'm not 'desperately' trying to find negative things to say about you and I have refrained from posting here

lol, you post in this thread all the time, you haven't refrained from anything.

mainly because of how 'honest' everyone automatically assumes your intentions are when from experience and losing a lot of $ in scams before, I don't take at face value.

I am not attacking the Monero project itself, but when I see hypocrisy and then get attacked, obviously I am going to state the obvious for people.

You're very clever to try and couch your post as "stating the obvious" because you "saw hypocrisy". You kids have a name for that...I forget...oh yes! "Concern trolling"

Honestly, between toknormal digging up a handful of restaurant and theatre reviews I did over the course of a few years in 2011/2012 (which he then used to label me a "journalist / marketer") and you dragging up (and misstating) history you know nothing about...well, it's either abject desperation, which is terribly sad, or it's very crafty, in which case heyo, we see right through you.

No point in repeating my concerns, it should be obvious. I will check back in 6 months and see how you are doing........

Please do. Or better yet - my wife and I are going to be in Europe for most of May, why don't you come meet me and tell me all about how you're going to uncover the s-c-a-m? My schedule is tight, but for you I will definitely make time.
pa
hero member
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I've spent hundreds of hours reading about Monero, interacting with the Monero community, and assessing how the dev team (especially smooth, fluffypony, and David Latapie) behave towards the community and towards outsiders. I am convinced that they are smart, competent, and honest. Monero was forked from Bytecoin because of righteous indignation at their ninja-mine scam. The Monero community crystalized around the idea that Monero would be different. And because of that, it is and will be. This may be difficult for newcomers to appreciate and may come across as moralistic trolling. But in actuality it is having high standards and holding others to the same standard.
sr. member
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Merit: 255
You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots!

Hopefully your investors will look at what I said and do their own research and make their own decision.  

The fact that in response it looks like you have actually resurrected the VertPay 'project' and now presumably going to hock that off the back of Monero (that you are a 'volunteer' for) I think goes some way to prove my point........

I'm not 'desperately' trying to find negative things to say about you and I have refrained from posting here after being attacked by (the less credible of the) Monero people for the last 4 weeks on other threads as they go around trying to pump Monero price by defaming any coin remotely within their space, I just did 30 minutes reading today and what I found I thought was worth showing to people here, mainly because of how 'honest' everyone automatically assumes your intentions are when from experience and losing a lot of $ in scams before, I don't take at face value.

I am not attacking the Monero project itself, but when I see hypocrisy and then get attacked, obviously I am going to state the obvious for people.

No point in repeating my concerns, it should be obvious. I will check back in 6 months and see how you are doing........

cheers
donator
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When you switch to ad hominems you merely show your desperation, Block-o-Feta:)

Here is Vertpay now: https://vertpay.com/

Well this was going to be a surprise, but I suppose now is as good a time as any. We literally said we were going to go back to the original idea and launch with various currencies being supported. So to correct you, here is Vertpay now:

















Oh! And just in case there's any confusion, thinking that these are just mockups I made in the few minutes between your post and mine:



No one is accusing you of a scam in Monero (but 100s of people did with OpenRigs non-deliveries

No, there were people who chose a shipping method that takes as much as 3 months (as we make clear on our Delivery and Returns Policy), and then were surprised when it took 3 months. Everyone received what they ordered, or received a replacement/refund (courtesy of shipping insurance) if it disappeared in transit. If anyone hasn't received their order or a replacement/refund it's because they haven't contacted us to ask about it. Email address is still the same, and I've even had people organise a replacement via Reddit or Bitcointalk by pm'ing me. In fact, I processed a refund about three weeks ago for a gentleman who had forgotten about his order.

In fact, for the sake of closure I'll just repost the lists posted to Reddit when this came up:

If this isn't true, what is your main investment right now if not Monero, or did you miraculously decide you didn't want to make serious $ before when you saw how profound Moner's tech was after you ditched VertPay?  You did OpenRigs before you tried to taise 200k from Vertcion investors, and you have dozens of people on BCT claiming they never recieved their products and that that was a scam too.  So what is your latest money making idea right now if not Monero or are you just working for free now?

You know nothing about me, you know nothing about how I have made my money. So your assumptions, in view of that, are really silly. But you tried hard to smear me, and I can appreciate that the desperation is getting to you, so allow me to congratulate you on an incredible effort. Have a great long weekend desperately trying to think of more negative things you can say about me, I'm sure there's lots!
legendary
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Still wild and free
Vertpay looks like a service to me. Monero is a cryptocurrency.
Long post for basically comparing apples and oranges, or I am missing something?
hero member
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BlockaFett,

You try hard. It is evident in the frequency, length, and veracity of your posts.

You accuse XMR devs of "trolling DRK" often. And you launch personal attacks at them and other Monero SUPPORTERS.

So, here you are, in the Monero thread, spouting off about fluffypony's supposed dealings with another coin back in ancient history (in crypto-time), along with his past/present business experiences.

What is the relevance to Monero? 
sr. member
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you are obsessed with drk. glad i am not an xmr investor Smiley

Oh my, Block-o-Feta, you said the "i" word! Here's a hint: there are no XMR "investors". Monero is a medium of exchange and a store of value. If individuals purchase units of Monero they do not directly enrich me or the rest of the core team. We can argue that there is indirect enrichment, because every Monero contributor undoubtedly holds a small stash of Monero, but it is far from...say...5% of the total emission that was instamined in a day. Investors do not pay our salaries.

On the other hand, we are also acutely aware that we are in a position of stewardship by virtue of the community. After all, when thankful_for_today chose to ignore what the community wanted it was us who took stewardship away from him, so the same could happen to us. The fact that we are still around a year later means that the community thinks we're doing ok. In other words, our position of stewardship is only by virtue of the community at large, and our "authority" is relative. We are not beholden to "investors", we are beholden to the community at large regardless of how much Monero they own (and sometimes don't own).

Which is why I find terms like "investor", or anything describing our role as if we were upper management, quite laughable. We are unpaid volunteers, placed in relative authority, pushing a profoundly technologically interesting project forward...because sometimes the pursuit of mathematics or science or medicine or art or music is more important than making money.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Just to be honest here, I don't believe 1 word of this, because anyone can read your history and see the kind of other projects you were involved in, for example:

Last May you didn't seem to care about anonymity but you were trying to raise $200,000 from Vertcoin investors to fund a private centralized payment system that you called Vertpay which looks very similar to what Moolah tried to do with Moopay / DOGE etc (a scam I did a lot of research on after getting burned myself).  Your investment offering was that the Vertcoin investors would get 20% of Vertpay for that investment:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/private-ipo-vertpay-vertcoin-payment-gateway-595754 /

When interviewed about it you said:

"I think that with this, you know, any IPO, any investment in a company is a risk. We're not pretending that
this is some sort of riskless investment
.  But I think the VERTCOIN community as a whole are generally not
stupid people, they're pretty astute, they not involved with a coin based on a meme or anything like that."


When asked about how you would make money from Vertpay:

"So Peter and I put in a fair whack of seed funding initially to get this off the ground, to get the right people
to get the software developed and architected to the point where it is.  We looked at various options of VC
funding or putting more funding in ourselves...We don't want to do this on a small scale, we want to do this
on a reasonably sized scale, get it into the market....see what we can build on top of that, once there is cash flowing in"


Interviewer suggests if you are trying to drive success from the Vertcoin community you said:

"...Absolutely because then everyone has a vested interest in it's success...we look at the Bitcoin security space...most are
prone to scams so you end up having to fight a whole bunch of negativity from the very beginning
, which isn't great."


You gave up on that pretty quick after realizing you weren't going to get 200k investment from Vertcoin investors in the following (very Alex Green / Ryan Kennedy style comment)

"...there's been a systemic attack of VertPay by smearing me and alluding that VertPay is a scam-by-association. While this is blatantly untrue, it would appear that the Vertcoin community as a whole either do not want this IPO to continue or are unsure and swing this way and that. Thus we have decided to shutter the IPO and switch VertPay back to the original focus on launching with several currencies."


Here is Vertpay now: https://vertpay.com/

And here is Vertcoin now, 11 months on:



Your next project was Monero, and with your new Monero hat on your latest approach is:

"...Which is why I find terms like "investor", or anything describing our role as if we were upper management, quite laughable. We are unpaid volunteers, placed in relative authority, pushing a profoundly technologically interesting project forward"

So I don't buy that someone like you who has a history of running businesses (e.g. OpenRigs), VCs, raising IPOs, exchange trading...is now an 'unpaid volunteer, placed in relative authority' especially as your last $ making attempt you realized it was too hard I think because in your own words 'most are prone to scams so you end up having to fight a whole bunch of negativity from the very beginning'.

No one is accusing you of a scam in Monero (but 100s of people did with OpenRigs non-deliveries / VertPay IPO) because you are positioning yourself as an "unpaid volunteer with profoundly interesting tech" which the typical Monero investor laps up, so perfect opportunity for someone like you to position yourself to be right in the center of the $.  Anyone interested can listen to DOGE create Ben Doernberg highlight how this type of strategy worked for Moolah by gaining the trust of a whole community and gaining the position to be able to exploit the situation: https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e156-the-moolah-story

And the main red flag is when you say 'We can argue that there is indirect enrichment, because every Monero contributor undoubtedly holds a small stash of Monero'.  

The idea that someone with the balls to try to raise 200k from the Vertcoin investors in an apparent mirror of Moolah's play on DOGE and put in a 'fair whack of seed funding', then becomes the main voice of Monero, who then says the only $ you are making 'is indirect enrichment, because every Monero contributor undoubtedly holds a small stash of Monero' I think is laughable.  Especially when you have experience with exchange trading and there are obviously some extremely large whales playing with the Monero price on Poloniex and with 100's of thousands of $ in investment capital flowing through the Monero exchange market every day - I do not believe one word.  Especially when we look at how much effort you put into trying to attack other coins you see as a threat instead of working on your 'profoundly technologically interesting project' and actually accusing other devs of having large stashes of their own coin.

If this isn't true, what is your main investment right now if not Monero, or did you miraculously decide you didn't want to make serious $ when you saw how profound Monero's tech was, after you ditched VertPay?  You did OpenRigs before you tried to taise 200k from Vertcion investors, and you have dozens of people on BCT claiming they never received their products and that that was a scam too.  So what is your latest money making idea right now if not Monero or are you just working for free now?

My prediction is with you running the show (yes you are lol) this is going the way of Vertcoin pretty soon, so all you people spending $ on Monero and believing the BS about this being some volunteer organization, you are investors, don't believe something just because someone tells you that it's true, and my advice: CAVEAT EMPTOR.

Walks like a duck...Talks like a duck...Yes folks, it's a duck.

cheers







donator
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I'm getting this error when attempting to install via Brew:

"make: *** No rule to make target `build-release'.  Stop."

Sammy needs to update his tap, there's no longer a build-release target. Make targets are:

cmake-debug: just run CMake for the debug build, no actual building
debug: make the default debug build (no tests are built)
debug-test: make the default debug build and make tests, run tests after build
debug-all: make the default debug build and make tests

cmake-release: just run CMake for the release build, no actual building
release: make the default release build (no tests are built)
release-test: make the default release build and make test, run tests after build
release-all: make the default release build and make tests
release-static: what we use for releases, builds and links statically, for x64 only (we'll add a release-static32 later)

clean: deletes build files
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