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Quote from: brunozisterer on March 31, 2015, 07:29:04 AM

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Quote from: brunozisterer on March 31, 2015, 05:52:18 AM

Mac download doesn't work on my notebook.

Be more specific please.

Downloading Monero version 0.8.8.6 for Mac OS X, 64-bit on https://getmonero.org/downloads/
gives me a folder : monero.mac.x64.v0-8-8-6.tar.bz2
extracting this folder I get : monero.mac.x64.v0-8-8-6
opening the folder I get : bitmonerod and simplewallet
If I want to start bitmonerod or simplewallet I get the following message:

Last login: Tue Mar 31 11:48:16 on ttys000
brunos-MacBook-Pro:~ clark$ /Users/clark/Downloads/monero.mac.x64.v0-8-8-6/bitmonerod ; exit;
dyld: Library not loaded: /usr/local/lib/libevent-2.0.5.dylib
Referenced from: /Users/clark/Downloads/monero.mac.x64.v0-8-8-6/bitmonerod
Reason: image not found
Trace/BPT trap: 5
logout

I'm getting the exact same error on my MBPr with 10.10.2. Sammy007's version fails to install. Any ideas?

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 02, 2015, 01:31:20 PM

nevermind, like the other guy said, its just the Mp4 and whatever is on the webapp player.

Erk, I'll check it out when I'm home

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Quote from: child_harold on April 01, 2015, 10:30:46 PM

Quote from: smooth on April 01, 2015, 10:22:58 PM

Quote from: child_harold on April 01, 2015, 10:18:16 PM

Quote from: fluffypony on April 01, 2015, 12:27:49 PM

… there are no XMR "investors". Monero is a medium of exchange and a store of value. If individuals purchase units of Monero they do not directly enrich me or the rest of the core team.

really?

Of course they don't. They don't even necessarily increase the price if they don't buy at higher prices than previous investors did. Some new investors showed up during the low period, they bought slowly and cautiously, not bidding up the price.

Either way the money from investors doesn't go into the project the way selling stock in a company does. Currency "investors" are always speculators; they are not buying a productive asset of any kind.

ok. got it.

Further to the other comments made, I think an analogy can be made with fiat. Now this is a very loose analogy, and I'm not comparing our role to democratically elected leaders of a country, but think about the Angela Merkel, the elected leader of Germany. If traders come in and aggressively trade the Euro against the U.S. Dollar, does she benefit directly?

Indirectly, sure, if the Euro rises in value maybe she is praised for her leadership, maybe Germany's GDP increases, etc. But she doesn't have a stash of Euro and she's travelling to the USA for lavish holidays so the exchange rate is super important. She doesn't stop running the country if the Euro declines or a Euro whale decides to dump. In fact, I'd hazard that she doesn't really care about the USD-EUR currency market except occasionally when it is relevant to her role. The market doesn't pay her salary, and it doesn't pay ours.

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nevermind, like the other guy said, its just the Mp4 and whatever is on the webapp player.

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Quote from: fluffypony on April 02, 2015, 01:25:53 PM

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 02, 2015, 08:46:11 AM

A new missive is out! #27

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EXTERN PROJECTS FOR THE WEEK OF 2015-03-30

To download the podcast directly please use this link to the MP3, or this link to the AAC/MP4, or this link to the FLAC.

A brief summary of the points discussed follows, a full transcription of the podcast is outstanding (can be submitted via Github Issues ).

In this week's podcast we interview Jojatekok, the 17 year old creator of the MoneroX GUI, and discuss his switch to cross-platform support for MoneroX, as well as some of his future plans. We also spend some time musing over his youth, and wondering where ours went to!

Until next week!

Another great podcast! But whats with the Darth Vader voices? Grin

Don't know about Gingercat, but I'm still getting used to my microphone sensitivity. I've reduced it for this week's Missive, hopefully that reduces the amount of "breathing" that comes through. Recording a podcat is harder than expected, especially when you're a dog lover.

The joys of open sourced audio editing. I don't know what you mean by "darth vader"... oh I hear it now. Fluffy, its like there's a time stretch on everything but the mp3. Mebbe your converter is wonky?

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 02, 2015, 08:46:11 AM

A new missive is out! #27

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EXTERN PROJECTS FOR THE WEEK OF 2015-03-30

To download the podcast directly please use this link to the MP3, or this link to the AAC/MP4, or this link to the FLAC.

A brief summary of the points discussed follows, a full transcription of the podcast is outstanding (can be submitted via Github Issues ).

In this week's podcast we interview Jojatekok, the 17 year old creator of the MoneroX GUI, and discuss his switch to cross-platform support for MoneroX, as well as some of his future plans. We also spend some time musing over his youth, and wondering where ours went to!

Until next week!

Another great podcast! But whats with the Darth Vader voices? Grin

Don't know about Gingercat, but I'm still getting used to my microphone sensitivity. I've reduced it for this week's Missive, hopefully that reduces the amount of "breathing" that comes through. Recording a podcat is harder than expected, especially when you're a dog lover.

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Quote from: pookielax31 on April 01, 2015, 09:54:17 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on April 01, 2015, 09:43:19 PM

Quote from: Johnny Mnemonic on April 01, 2015, 09:05:37 PM

It appears our "off-topic" monero thread wasn't relevant enough for the "off-topic" section of BCT, and was deleted. Perhaps we should start another one in the alternative cryptocurrency section?

or just go to the monero forums...........

Pretty useless mobile wallet of it doesn't have the ability to scan a qr code....

It's on the todo list:)

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 02, 2015, 11:45:00 AM

Quote from: fluffypony on April 02, 2015, 11:28:19 AM

Quote from: GingerAle on April 02, 2015, 10:57:54 AM

MoneroWorld Digest #8 Beta

https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/253/moneroworld-digest-8-beta

as explained in the beta digest, I ran out of time.

This is great - you should totally do Technical Preview -> Alpha -> Beta -> Release Candidate 1 -> Release Candidate 2 -> Release to Manufacturing -> Final.

or put it in digestive track format

Look at food -> Smell food -> Taste food -> Chew food -> Swallow food -> Stomach acids -> small intestine -> large intestine.

what a small difference an "ive" makes.

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 02, 2015, 12:13:32 PM

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-price-of-bitcoin-is-about-to-get-a-little-government-help-cm461318

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Bitcoin's critics have argued that since it is backed by no central bank or government (like the dollar), it can't have value.

But with some governments looking at accepting Bitcoin as payment, a big chunk of the fiat argument starts to get muddy.

Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-price-of-bitcoin-is-about-to-get-a-little-government-help-cm461318#ixzz3WAXrc49H

ItsHappening.gif

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http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-price-of-bitcoin-is-about-to-get-a-little-government-help-cm461318

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Bitcoin's critics have argued that since it is backed by no central bank or government (like the dollar), it can't have value.

But with some governments looking at accepting Bitcoin as payment, a big chunk of the fiat argument starts to get muddy.

Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-price-of-bitcoin-is-about-to-get-a-little-government-help-cm461318#ixzz3WAXrc49H

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Quote from: aminorex on April 02, 2015, 10:19:57 AM

Quote from: smooth on April 01, 2015, 10:22:58 PM

Currency "investors" are always speculators; they are not buying a productive asset of any kind.

This is misleading, in the sense that currency is a very productive asset. It doesn't produce more currency (unless it is a staking vehicle) perhaps, but that is almost a tautology, content-free. It enables the whole economy of that currency. Calling that non-productive would imply that all economic activity was non-productive.

Were there no efficiency and growth-enabling features in a new technology (currency or otherwise) it would fail to thrive in a competitive landscape. An investment in a novel currency is an investment in the whole economy of that currency. It adds capital to the economy, which helps it to achieve a productive critical mass, and the growth of that overall network is what the investor is betting on. Because it is an investment in the totality of the economy, it is maximally diversified, relative to that economy - sort of like indexing on steroids. The whole world becomes your productive asset.

We're getting off topic. Little to none of that goes toward development of the core technology. If you want to directly support development you have really only three options. Develop yourself, pay someone else to do specific development, or donate to the project.

Not directed at you personally, this applies to anyone.

Also, the "economy of the currency" for any cryptocurrency but certainly for any non-btc cryptocurrency is essentially all speculation, so we're back to investment = speculation even if we agree it is an investment int he whole economy.

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Quote from: fluffypony on April 02, 2015, 11:28:19 AM

Quote from: GingerAle on April 02, 2015, 10:57:54 AM

MoneroWorld Digest #8 Beta

https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/253/moneroworld-digest-8-beta

as explained in the beta digest, I ran out of time.

This is great - you should totally do Technical Preview -> Alpha -> Beta -> Release Candidate 1 -> Release Candidate 2 -> Release to Manufacturing -> Final.

or put it in digestive track format

Look at food -> Smell food -> Taste food -> Chew food -> Swallow food -> Stomach acids -> small intestine -> large intestine.

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 02, 2015, 10:57:54 AM

MoneroWorld Digest #8 Beta

https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/253/moneroworld-digest-8-beta

as explained in the beta digest, I ran out of time.

This is great - you should totally do Technical Preview -> Alpha -> Beta -> Release Candidate 1 -> Release Candidate 2 -> Release to Manufacturing -> Final.

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MoneroWorld Digest #8 Beta

https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/253/moneroworld-digest-8-beta

as explained in the beta digest, I ran out of time.

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Quote from: nioc on April 02, 2015, 10:32:46 AM

Quote from: pookielax31 on April 02, 2015, 10:10:20 AM

Quote from: arnuschky on April 02, 2015, 08:26:51 AM

Quote from: pozmu on April 01, 2015, 09:10:43 AM

Quote from: nioc on March 25, 2015, 02:03:14 PM

With XMR.TO we can send to a btc address privately. What needs to be done in order to receive privately from a btc address?

Create new Bitcoin address and never spend that coins/ use mixer/ exchange them back to monero

Bribe us to implement the other direction! Wink

No, seriously: if there's considerable interest, we might consider implementing BTC->XMR.
It's not on the dev schedule as of yet, as we weren't sure about its usefulness.

Opinions?

Think its a great Idea.... New to Monero but so far loving everything I have been researching...Could do with out seeing the devs/faces of the project plastered everywhere arguing with every god dam thread but hey, ..this is crypto Wink

................ I think making it BTC->XMR could be a big help to drive user adoption and reduce friction in the XMR purchase process. Having away to seamlessly go from Mass adoption (BTC) to Monero can be nothing but helpful. Its basically a Monero tailored ShapeShift.io (Which if I read correctly erik will be adding Monero to shapeshift in the near future!!)

Did I really start a meaningful discussion? How novel.

My original thought was that btc coming from let's say a poker or sportsbook site could be tracked. Given the restrictions recently implemented by coinbase it seemed there was a need to receive privately from a btc address. I'm sure there are other examples.

It seems that there is more to it than I originally thought.

As far as shapeshift, it has been soon for a while now and I have no expectations.

@arnuschky, I don't have much to bribe you with.

Except a good idea?? Grin

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Quote from: pookielax31 on April 02, 2015, 10:10:20 AM

Quote from: arnuschky on April 02, 2015, 08:26:51 AM

Quote from: pozmu on April 01, 2015, 09:10:43 AM

Quote from: nioc on March 25, 2015, 02:03:14 PM

With XMR.TO we can send to a btc address privately. What needs to be done in order to receive privately from a btc address?

Create new Bitcoin address and never spend that coins/ use mixer/ exchange them back to monero

Bribe us to implement the other direction! Wink

No, seriously: if there's considerable interest, we might consider implementing BTC->XMR.
It's not on the dev schedule as of yet, as we weren't sure about its usefulness.

Opinions?

Think its a great Idea.... New to Monero but so far loving everything I have been researching...Could do with out seeing the devs/faces of the project plastered everywhere arguing with every god dam thread but hey, ..this is crypto Wink

................ I think making it BTC->XMR could be a big help to drive user adoption and reduce friction in the XMR purchase process. Having away to seamlessly go from Mass adoption (BTC) to Monero can be nothing but helpful. Its basically a Monero tailored ShapeShift.io (Which if I read correctly erik will be adding Monero to shapeshift in the near future!!)

Did I really start a meaningful discussion? How novel.

My original thought was that btc coming from let's say a poker or sportsbook site could be tracked. Given the restrictions recently implemented by coinbase it seemed there was a need to receive privately from a btc address. I'm sure there are other examples.

It seems that there is more to it than I originally thought.

As far as shapeshift, it has been soon for a while now and I have no expectations.

@arnuschky, I don't have much to bribe you with.

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Quote from: child_harold on April 02, 2015, 10:16:29 AM

Quote from: vokain on April 02, 2015, 09:55:48 AM

Quote from: child_harold on April 02, 2015, 09:39:36 AM

Quote from: vokain on April 02, 2015, 09:08:50 AM

Quote from: child_harold on April 01, 2015, 10:30:46 PM

Quote from: smooth on April 01, 2015, 10:22:58 PM

Quote from: child_harold on April 01, 2015, 10:18:16 PM

Quote from: fluffypony on April 01, 2015, 12:27:49 PM

… there are no XMR "investors". Monero is a medium of exchange and a store of value. If individuals purchase units of Monero they do not directly enrich me or the rest of the core team.

really?

Of course they don't. They don't even necessarily increase the price if they don't buy at higher prices than previous investors did. Some new investors showed up during the low period, they bought slowly and cautiously, not bidding up the price.

Either way the money from investors doesn't go into the project the way selling stock in a company does. Currency "investors" are always speculators; they are not buying a productive asset of any kind.

ok. got it.

lol!

anyway I think what smooth might mean is that Monero as a currency won't find a productive use like say, gold has, past what it already does since inception. One monero will always be that entry in a private ledger, ultimately. The only thing that changes is how we interact with the protocol ruleset that allows as such.

Let's hope so! Does having a public ledger (BTC) changes this? i.e. more like gold/ a "productive asset"?

BTC and Monero are both public ledgers in the sense that anyone and everyone can verify that the information coming from the blockchain is valid. However, the structure of the two technologies differ in their manner of encrypting the link between transactions, where with Bitcoin you can link one transaction to another quite easily, and Monero you can't, thus making Monero both a private and public ledger. That this is how Monero simply is doesn't change anything about it.

Fair enough. Although I wonder if (at least psychologically) the increased visibilty of BTC token on the blcokchain and the ability to take a god-like glance at the distributin of wealth and the balance in any address makes it SEEM more of asset

For example, let us say the kings of BTC and XMR both have bejeweled crowns, but the XMR kings's is invisible. How do we know he's king?
Plesae forgive the bizarre metaphor, thanks.

By his having the keys to his kingdom?

In Monero, when you have the private key of an address you can reveal a viewkey that also shows that n XMR really do belong to X public key. You can flaunt your wealth as you wish!

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Quote from: smooth on April 01, 2015, 10:22:58 PM

Currency "investors" are always speculators; they are not buying a productive asset of any kind.

This is misleading, in the sense that currency is a very productive asset. It doesn't produce more currency (unless it is a staking vehicle) perhaps, but that is almost a tautology, content-free. It enables the whole economy of that currency. Calling that non-productive would imply that all economic activity was non-productive.

Were there no efficiency and growth-enabling features in a new technology (currency or otherwise) it would fail to thrive in a competitive landscape. An investment in a novel currency is an investment in the whole economy of that currency. It adds capital to the economy, which helps it to achieve a productive critical mass, and the growth of that overall network is what the investor is betting on. Because it is an investment in the totality of the economy, it is maximally diversified, relative to that economy - sort of like indexing on steroids. The whole world becomes your productive asset.

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Quote from: vokain on April 02, 2015, 09:55:48 AM

Quote from: child_harold on April 02, 2015, 09:39:36 AM

Quote from: vokain on April 02, 2015, 09:08:50 AM

Quote from: child_harold on April 01, 2015, 10:30:46 PM

Quote from: smooth on April 01, 2015, 10:22:58 PM

Quote from: child_harold on April 01, 2015, 10:18:16 PM

Quote from: fluffypony on April 01, 2015, 12:27:49 PM

… there are no XMR "investors". Monero is a medium of exchange and a store of value. If individuals purchase units of Monero they do not directly enrich me or the rest of the core team.

really?

Of course they don't. They don't even necessarily increase the price if they don't buy at higher prices than previous investors did. Some new investors showed up during the low period, they bought slowly and cautiously, not bidding up the price.

Either way the money from investors doesn't go into the project the way selling stock in a company does. Currency "investors" are always speculators; they are not buying a productive asset of any kind.

ok. got it.

lol!

anyway I think what smooth might mean is that Monero as a currency won't find a productive use like say, gold has, past what it already does since inception. One monero will always be that entry in a private ledger, ultimately. The only thing that changes is how we interact with the protocol ruleset that allows as such.

Let's hope so! Does having a public ledger (BTC) changes this? i.e. more like gold/ a "productive asset"?

BTC and Monero are both public ledgers in the sense that anyone and everyone can verify that the information coming from the blockchain is valid. However, the structure of the two technologies differ in their manner of encrypting the link between transactions, where with Bitcoin you can link one transaction to another quite easily, and Monero you can't, thus making Monero both a private and public ledger. That this is how Monero simply is doesn't change anything about it.

Fair enough. Although I wonder if (at least psychologically) the increased visibility of BTC tokens on the blockchain and the ability to take a god-like glance at the distribution of wealth and the balance in any address makes it SEEM more of an asset?

For example, let us say the kings of BTC and XMR both have bejeweled crowns, but the XMR kings's is invisible. How do we know he's king?
Please forgive the bizarre metaphor, thanks.

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