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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1313. (Read 4671575 times)

legendary
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I feel major WAR today.... after Monero Monday Missive!

Network
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Monero is alive  Wink

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VOTE for MONERO Please - https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes

Cryptsy already stated they will add monero soon. We better vote at btc38 (http://www.btc38.com/trade/vote_for_trade_en.html) to target the chinese audience.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
I feel major WAR today.... after Monero Monday Missive!

Network
Hash Rate: 18.49 MH/sec
Block Found: 2 minutes ago
Difficulty: 1162983830
Blockchain Height: 279336
Last Reward: 13.5105 XMR

Monero is alive  Wink

24-hour Volume: 293 BTC / 160686 XMR
Price:0.00195467
https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_xmr


VOTE for MONERO Please - https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes
legendary
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I'm a Firestarter!
It´s at 0.0011 for most regions in the US and at 0.0021 in western europe, at least with Nvidia GPUs, CPU and AMD may be a little higher.

I am from Germany, power cost is ~ 0.30 USD (25 euro cents) here, but many companies provide you with free power during the winter if you are willing to take care of the temperature during winter in their warehouses. Keep them above 0°C to avoid burst water pipes.

So, by your words, we shall all do that?
To avoid loss?
newbie
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It´s at 0.0011 for most regions in the US and at 0.0021 in western europe, at least with Nvidia GPUs, CPU and AMD may be a little higher.

I am from Germany, power cost is ~ 0.30 USD (25 euro cents) here, but many companies provide you with free power during the winter if you are willing to take care of the temperature during winter in their warehouses. Keep them above 0°C to avoid burst water pipes.
legendary
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I hope the price of monero will drop to a rate where mining is not profitable compared to other crypto coins out there.

Maybe that's the magic price point.  Any math geniuses in here?
newbie
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I hope the price of monero will drop to a rate where mining is not profitable compared to other crypto coins out there.

It serves two purposes:

1. Botnets switch to "yummy-cash-cow-coin" and leave monero alone.
2. "Professional" Miners (mine´n´sell) switch too.

This provides a very good spread of coins, everyone can mine some and let monero develop.

Monero is a new born child, only a few month old, and some people here expect it to have nice look, be famous, to have a high value per coin... are you serious?! Give it some time. Don´t like it? You got two options: Help to improve it or get out asap. Your choice. But please, please: Stop complaining. It feels like ~ 400 pages of complaining 50 pages "BTCx exploit panic" and ~ 400 pages usefull stuff.
legendary
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Why is the XMR emission curve so much steeper than with other PoW coins?  Is there a benefit to flattening out sooner?

Bit of a sore point that one, the emission curve is something we got stuck with from the original incarnation of Bitmonero, which had an autocratic solo dev who knew best.... It was then forked by the current team and so you can tell what the people preferred, but the emission curve stayed.

Really nice to have that info, thank you.  How big of a problem does this pose to an investor?

Pretty significant to be honest. Monero will have 18.4 million total/max coins. 14.72 million (80%) will be mined in the first 4 years. Currently, we're at 4.2 million in circulation.

The first 4 years, has heavy inflation. This gives investors an incentive to buy in at the end of that timeframe. And 4 years in crypto is a long time, with a significant chance that something better will come into the market.

I can imagine that XMR must become very popular as an investment or as a store of value (short or long term) in order to counteract that degree of inflation.

Yeah, if a coin has a emission rate similar to Monero, it needs to make sure the coin have an awesome start and growing demand to counteract the inflation. Because if your lagging behind in demand, then the emission is just going to keep dragging price down. Thus discouraging new entrants.

I'm not an economist, but that's my take on it.
legendary
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Why is the XMR emission curve so much steeper than with other PoW coins?  Is there a benefit to flattening out sooner?

Bit of a sore point that one, the emission curve is something we got stuck with from the original incarnation of Bitmonero, which had an autocratic solo dev who knew best.... It was then forked by the current team and so you can tell what the people preferred, but the emission curve stayed.

Really nice to have that info, thank you.  How big of a problem does this pose to an investor?

Pretty significant to be honest. Monero will have 18.4 million total/max coins. 14.72 million (80%) will be mined in the first 4 years. Currently, we're at 4.2 million in circulation.

The first 4 years, has heavy inflation. This gives investors an incentive to buy in at the end of that timeframe. And 4 years in crypto is a long time, with a significant chance that something better will come into the market.

I can imagine that XMR must become very popular as an investment or as a store of value (short or long term) in order to counteract that degree of inflation.
legendary
Activity: 1320
Merit: 1007
Why is the XMR emission curve so much steeper than with other PoW coins?  Is there a benefit to flattening out sooner?

Bit of a sore point that one, the emission curve is something we got stuck with from the original incarnation of Bitmonero, which had an autocratic solo dev who knew best.... It was then forked by the current team and so you can tell what the people preferred, but the emission curve stayed.

Really nice to have that info, thank you.  How big of a problem does this pose to an investor?

Pretty significant to be honest. Monero will have 18.4 million total/max coins. 14.72 million (80%) will be mined in the first 4 years. Currently, we're at 4.2 million in circulation.

The first 4 years, has heavy inflation. This gives investors an incentive to buy in at the end of that timeframe. And 4 years in crypto is a long time, with a significant chance that something better will come into the market.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
Why is the XMR emission curve so much steeper than with other PoW coins?  Is there a benefit to flattening out sooner?

Bit of a sore point that one, the emission curve is something we got stuck with from the original incarnation of Bitmonero, which had an autocratic solo dev who knew best.... It was then forked by the current team and so you can tell what the people preferred, but the emission curve stayed.

Really nice to have that info, thank you.  How big of a problem does this pose to an investor?
sr. member
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Great analysis there.

Why is the XMR emission curve so much steeper than with other PoW coins?  Is there a benefit to flattening out sooner?

Bit of a sore point that one, the emission curve is something we got stuck with from the original incarnation of Bitmonero, which had an autocratic solo dev who knew best.... It was then forked by the current team and so you can tell what the people preferred, but the emission curve stayed.
sr. member
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If I recall correctly, Aminorex originally gave a very similar assessment of the "anonymous/private" coin competition 2-3 months ago, and in that time nothing has changed.The Bitcoin based alternatives are struggling to come up with a solution they can announce to great fanfare because they know if its not at least as good as Monero/Cryptonote based coins then they will shoot themselves in the foot. Unfortunately whilst this is a major public relations bonus for XMR we still can't maximise that benefit because the technology isnt ready.

Anyone who has invested in Monero at this stage should have been well aware that its still a "beta" technology - one of the seemingly few honest dev teams that admits the pros and cons whilst not giving in to the pressure to hype up the price in the short term with marketing stunts. Hopefully that will reflect well on XMR in the long term.
legendary
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fungibility is also a serious issue.

Why is that?


If you live in a corrupt state where the state is confiscating without serious reasoning maybe the citizens should get the possibility for something which is not that easy to link or to confiscate.

Doesn't that mean XMR is under much more regulatory danger than BTC?
legendary
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Great analysis there.

Why is the XMR emission curve so much steeper than with other PoW coins?  Is there a benefit to flattening out sooner?
legendary
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EXCELLENT points guys!  My faith in the concept of a non-transparent blockchain is restored.  But will Monero be the One?  It sounds like ZeroCash has a lot of people very interested but it hasn't been released yet.  Is Boolberry the next best thing in CryptoNote?  What does BBR have going for it that XMR doesn't?

Quoting eizh on reddit for the comparison between BBR and XMR

the winner will be taken once zerocash is out - anc failed so miserably that I think it is dead.

I think we will see the classical situation of two networks competing - the dominant ledger from the cryptonote implementations which is by no question monero and the dominat zerocash implementation.

from a game-theoretic point odds for monero are not that bad, it will strongly depend how zerocash is distributed.

zerocash has data size and compute time issues which make it unsuitable for many uses cases of xmr.  
it also has the trusted mint problem, last i heard.
for those reasons i doubt that it can attain sufficient liquidity to displace monero as the dominant provider of dark liquidity.



If the anon fad is over, then hype will have less impact on price.  Technical merit and community effort will play a larger role in determining the outcome.  Lows are always the best time to invest.  If the froth is gone, volatility declines and appreciation is more reliable.  The end of the bubble is always good for the high-quality enterprises.  Their fly-by-night competition is weeded out by the depressive lows.  Fewer fools throwing money around means less malinvestment.  I.e. investment goes to the most fit.  Because monero is the most fit, monero will benefit.

Let us recap the situation and the contenders:

ANC - Zerocoin has serious UX problems due to high computational complexity and data-intensive operation.  Also, it is moon math, and only time and extensive review within the cryptographic community will lend confidence.  A promising crypto in the zygote stage.
DRK - Snake oil, plus instamine, plus ponzi, large entrepreneurial community, late-term fetal development stage.
XMR - High-quality well-tested crypto, large development and entrepreneurial community, mid-term fetal development stage.

Nothing else has enough promise*liquidity to be a contender.  Of the three, XMR and ANC are respectable.  XMR is substantially ahead of ANC in terms of technical development, mind-share and liquidity.  DRK is substantially ahead of XMR in those terms, but it is technically unfit for most legitimate purposes.

Unfortunately I can't elaborate more on aminorex' opinions. Maybe some other member could do that.
legendary
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EXCELLENT points guys!  My faith in the concept of a non-transparent blockchain is restored.  But will Monero be the One?  It sounds like ZeroCash has a lot of people very interested but it hasn't been released yet.  Is Boolberry the next best thing in CryptoNote?  What does BBR have going for it that XMR doesn't?
legendary
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I'm a Firestarter!
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Never forget  Tongue
sr. member
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I live in the western world in one of the most sophisticated democracies with very high standards regarding rule of law etc. - we probably never need btc or xmr.

Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html

Yes, and never forget Executive Order 6102. ;-)
sr. member
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I live in the western world in one of the most sophisticated democracies with very high standards regarding rule of law etc. - we probably never need btc or xmr.

Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html
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If I may play devil's advocate for a moment....
Why should anyone besides criminals care about a non-transparent blockchain?  I can imagine that a big holder wouldn't want their big holdings potentially traced back to them whenever they send coins.  Any other (practical, non-philosophical) reason?

It's been debated a lot already.
Without privacy there is no democracy nor freedom. Simple as that.

All the people claiming that they have nothing to hide are ALL LYING.
Hundred of experiments have proven that people behave submissively and are much more easy to control when feeling being watched.

Start with this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four



people who think that privacy doesn't matter are misinformed/ignorant and don't fully understand the whole spectrum of the issue.
"I've got nothing to hide" is a dangerous mantra that contradicts itself as people who use it are still walking with their clothes on and use doors in their house, keys etc.. Privacy is the very essence of capitalism!


Privacy is the very essence of individualism.

On a side note, XMR has a great community, keep faith in this coin and in the devs' awsome work.
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