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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1339. (Read 4671575 times)

legendary
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Really? I would've thought due to the generally extremely low immediate profitability of mining coins (especially when you factor in electricity costs) these days would have caused more people to hold, in the hopes that the price of a coin will increase in the future. Otherwise the profits won't be high enough to justify mining in the first place. That's basically what I've been doing, and it has worked really well for me.

There is nothing wrong with holding, but it is my opinion that represents only a portion of mining (of all coins).

Mining Monero on a CPU right now is break even somewhere in the neighborhood of 0.10 USD/kWh. So for people with low electricity costs (and that includes people with electric space heaters who have an effective cost of 0 -- it was noted earlier in this thread that with declining temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere we would expect to see more mining), CPU mining can be quite profitable.

Nobody really knows the cost structure for botnets, but it isn't zero (it takes time and/or money to create and maintain a botnet -- they don't just appear out of thin air).


sr. member
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Mining Monero isn't even that profitable, I don't understand why so many are mining and dumping. Surely there is another significant cause for the selling pressure

It is the most profitable algorithm to mine on a CPU, therefore it makes little sense to mine anything else on a CPU, whether or not you want the coin. For example, you see on the BBR thread knowledgable people explaining that you should mine XMR on your CPU even if you are mining BBR on your GPUs.

There is no "selling pressure" beyond what has always been there, with 20K coins being mined every day that need to find a home. In fact botnets have likely always been there. What has changed is that demand has dropped from about 80 BTC/day to about 50 BTC/day. That's still quite a lot!

Right, that makes sense. I haven't been following Monero so I'm not really aware of these things. Thanks for explaining.
sr. member
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So there are big XMR botnets causing the selling pressure? That can't be good.

As I already explained, there are miners causing selling pressure. The days of people mining most of a coin for fun and hanging on to it are long past. Most miners these days are in it for the money and sell at least a good chunk of what they mine. It doesn't really matter if they are botnets or not.

Really? I would've thought due to the generally extremely low immediate profitability of mining coins (especially when you factor in electricity costs) these days would have caused more people to hold, in the hopes that the price of a coin will increase in the future. Otherwise the profits won't be high enough to justify mining in the first place. That's basically what I've been doing, and it has worked really well for me.

Botnet operators on the other hand will be making very good profits either way, and don't have to worry about electricity costs. So they'd probably sell the XMR immediately after receiving it.
legendary
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Mining Monero isn't even that profitable, I don't understand why so many are mining and dumping. Surely there is another significant cause for the selling pressure

It is the most profitable algorithm to mine on a CPU, therefore it makes little sense to mine anything else on a CPU, whether or not you want the coin. For example, you see on the BBR thread knowledgable people explaining that you should mine XMR on your CPU even if you are mining BBR on your GPUs.

There is no "selling pressure" beyond what has always been there, with 20K coins being mined every day that need to find a home. In fact botnets have likely always been there. What has changed is that demand has dropped from about 80 BTC/day to about 50 BTC/day. That's still quite a lot!

legendary
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So there are big XMR botnets causing the selling pressure? That can't be good.

As I already explained, there are miners causing selling pressure. The days of people mining most of a coin for fun and hanging on to it are long past. Most miners these days are in it for the money and sell at least a good chunk of what they mine. It doesn't really matter if they are botnets or not.


hero member
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So there are big XMR botnets causing the selling pressure? That can't be good.

Whenever you deal with CPU coins, expect botnets. There are quite a few of them out there. If you do the math you'll find out that normal people don't have access to thousands of computers.
Unfortunately there are the few who "infect" 10K or 15K or 20K computers (or more) and control them to mine.
sr. member
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So there are big XMR botnets causing the selling pressure? That can't be good.
sr. member
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The selling pressure stays strong and the order-book is ugly TBH. I wonder where the bottom is.
Where is all this selling pressure coming from?

Mining


All that from mining?? Damn...

Not all, of course, but it is steady every day. Drip, drip, drip...


Mining Monero isn't even that profitable, I don't understand why so many are mining and dumping. Surely there is another significant cause for the selling pressure
legendary
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It doesn't really matter who does the mining, the amount is fixed.

newbie
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legendary
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The selling pressure stays strong and the order-book is ugly TBH. I wonder where the bottom is.
Where is all this selling pressure coming from?

Mining


All that from mining?? Damn...

Not all, of course, but it is steady every day. Drip, drip, drip...

There is a reason pump-and-dump coins use proof of stake. It is hard to pump a coin with 50 BTC of it being created every day. We need actual demand, and to be clear we still have a lot of demand or the price would be lower. We just don't quite have enough to sustain the higher price levels.


sr. member
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The selling pressure stays strong and the order-book is ugly TBH. I wonder where the bottom is.
Where is all this selling pressure coming from?
Mining
All that from mining?? Damn...
legendary
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Noob here. Am I solo mining properly? It says getting hash rate of probably average 180. How long should it take for me to see a reward? Also how does one gpu mine monero?

It depends on your hardware, but 180 might be right. At 180 you are essentially playing a raffle. There is nothing wrong with that (and indeed it is very good to help the network that way), just know what you are doing. Most likely you get nothing.

One issue with efficiency of CPU (including solo) mining is making sure you have huge pages set up correctly.
hero member
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Noob here. Am I solo mining properly? It says getting hash rate of probably average 180. How long should it take for me to see a reward? Also how does one gpu mine monero?
legendary
Activity: 2968
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The selling pressure stays strong and the order-book is ugly TBH. I wonder where the bottom is.
Where is all this selling pressure coming from?

Mining
sr. member
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The selling pressure stays strong and the order-book is ugly TBH. I wonder where the bottom is.
Where is all this selling pressure coming from?
member
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Are per KB fees now on testnet?
sr. member
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The selling pressure stays strong and the order-book is ugly TBH. I wonder where the bottom is.
legendary
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you know monero is undervalued if

member
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Wait for the wallet to sync, open up a second session and run ./simplewallet

GJ devs!



Ha! that's awesome!

Thanks a lot!

Also - I wasn't sigining in as root, and was signing in w/ my username. It wasn't happy at all lol.

Nothing can describe the feeling of dread when: help   help: Command not found. Cheesy

Now I'm gonna turn it into a server.
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