Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1385. (Read 4671575 times)

If emissions are not being serious discussed and Risto isnt a proponent of changing them then I stand corrected. I am not the definitive source and if I was incorrect I apologize.

Wait, Risto says you are one of the 7 developers. But you pay someone else to develop? :Mind Blown:

Fair enough. If you don't trust the way this coin is run, divest (you did so already, as I understood). Zero objection to that.

If you feel the need to criticize how this coin is run, go ahead and make an argument. No objection to that either.

What is transparent (and, frankly, unnecessary) are your latest rhetorics in here:

rpietila is known to be a large holder, no revelation there. Also, the dev team has stated multiple times that their decisions are guided by their own compass, plus community input. Finally, there is zero precedence of "the whales" pushing through decisions, it's complete conjecture. But you barge in here anway pretending this coin is about to be taken over by some sinister whale cabal.

Same for the emission discussion: the state of the actual discussion so far is "some are for it, some are against, it's probably better to not seriously consider it now anyway". Yet you pretend we're one moment away from changing it on a whim, complete with strawmen arguments why some of us supposedly want to change it ("greedy coin holder and their short sightedness").

There are honest, sometimes blunt discussions. I've seen some of that on the last pages, and I enjoyed it, even if I didn't agree with everything that was said. And then there's inflammatory derailing of a discussions - that's what you've been doing in your last 5 or 6 posts in here. Together with the knowledge that you are a "whale" in a competing coin (oh, the irony), I'm going to assume that's more than just an issue of posting style, but most likely a calculated effort to stir up emotions.

I'm up for a serious discussion about whatever you care about at any time. But I'm not going to respond to complete non-issues (whales that might or might not do something at some point) as if it were a relevant topic of debate.

We are not, but tell me how we'll pay the developers and the consulting and everything? Have you cake and eat it? How much did you donated? How much ALL  OF YOU holders donated?
Answer: not enough. Now if you have a solution, we are all ears. You are calling us greedy and I take it as a personal insult.

This thread is now dominated by trolling.  None of the stakeholders are discussing these issues here.  Anything you read above, in the past day or so, is probably just FUD, supposition, or dissimulation.

This is reasonable.

As I said earlier, its fine for this thread unless the volume is high, and the volume has gotten fairly high. Creating a new thread is not a good idea given the level of trolling and if the trolls create an unmoderated thread please ignore it.

Better venues are suited to further discussion back and forth, unless you have something new to add.

pffft we r bitcoin holders.  stupid altcoin bitches know nothing bro

Did Risto even make an appearance?
Pretty cool non-misdirection...

Can we perhaps organize a location/time for such discussions to take place, not here?
I suppose that reddit or irc would do much better for these interactions.

Oda. We've chatted on multiple forums/chat rooms. I've never BSed you. I've been honest with you always.

In fact, today we exchanged PMs about where you and I stood as speculators vs. true advocates. I think we were very honest with each other.

If you think I'm trolling, I'll leave.

That's exactly why it is fine if he stays. He's making his level of objectivity and preferred tactics more obvious every time he posts.

@windjc

Your recent shilling in here is as transparent as it is pathetic.

If feigned outrage ("Oh my! You guys have manipulating whales!", or: "How dare you discussing the emission of a coin I do not even hold!") is really the best you can do, it's probably better if you head back to your amateur hour coin Boolberry.

I think what matters here is not the analogy, but the fact that it's awefull for the coin perception, which penalizes strongly adoption.
Maybe there aren't enough people in Monero that were in other altcoins before... because my feeling is that some here don't realize how allergic the crypto community is to some of the changes proposed. We won't get adoption if we don't start first with the current crypto community.

Considering the entire purpose of it would be raise money to spend it on development right now, this metaphor of a founder who holds on to the money for 250 years is inaccurate. The coins would be spent, sold, and otherwise dispersed just as they often are through mining.

Also, numerically that isn't even true. The widely reported M2 USD money supply is about $10 trillion. 1% of that is approximately Bill Gates's net worth. He is not dictator of the economy.

This. And the part in bold in particular.

All proposed solutions floating around would be highly detrimental for the coin perception in the public eyes. Starting with the cryptocoin community.
I am pretty sure of that, no coin can survive on the long run with such little arrangements that look so crapcoinish done at one point of its history, even with the best intentions.

I am also a (somewhat) large holder of monero, and I will also completely get out if there is anything touching what I thought would never be touched, no matter how or what exactly. I will be sad because I have a lot of hope for monero, I love the community around and being a small part of that great project, but still I'll get out.
 
 

-I think this is a misunderstanding, IIRC the dev-team just want to cover their cost and thats it.

-IIRC they already hold around 50k together, maybe even more. Who knows?

The pool software already does this afaik. The amount of such donations that actually get enabled is negligible, with the notable exception of cryptonote.org.uk, who I mention in order to encourage signups. They donate 1% which is small but not negligible, and get relatively little hash rate.

I don't think an individually voluntary block reward directly in the node would be worth the coding effort, especially given the low amount of all such previous voluntary efforts (and the support in pool software I mentioned).

Well if you believe Icebreaker this is exactly what is going to happen.

I am a (somewhat) large holder of monero, and I promise to dump every single one of the coins I have if there is a post-mine or otherwise dedicated portion of block rewards to the development team.

Ideally, the development team is non-financially motivated, but since they are, they should either back away from the project and allow volunteers to step in,

OR

Purchase Monero, and provide work on the project in an effort to boost the value of their investment.

The coin will never reach mainstream potential if there is a 1% block dedicated to the development team. Imagine if George Washington owned 1% of the USD that did not inflate, he would be a dictator of the economy surrounding the dollar.

I agree mostly with this. When a post-mine is issued, all people will say when they hear about XMR is "post-mine scam", "post-mine scam", like most of the users here now scream pre-mine scam. I think we should look at something like crowdfunding first.

What about an option for miners to donate something to the dev fund? Just something they can easy enable, like: donate xx percentage of block reward directly to the dev fund. Personally I think a great option will enable this option, enabling something is just far more easier to do than donating funds afterwards. Just my 2 cents.

The whales have way to much influence in this community imo. It almost feels centralized.

The options created by Risto seem greedy and disasterous.

Crypto was born from volunteerism, not deep pockets. These ideals that were the reason Bitcoin survived its early days seem to be lost on current profit seekers.

The culture of a coin is so important to its success.