Monero Fireside Chat #2, how to connect:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9gH2ndAAkE
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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1437. (Read 4671575 times)
September 17, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
September 17, 2014, 04:12:24 PM
I downloaded the newest version and it is no longer detected as a trojan. (it is incredibly slow though 
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)Slow compared to 0.8.8.3? What part of it is slow, what operating system?
September 17, 2014, 04:08:04 PM
rip monero
2014-2014
2014-2014
September 17, 2014, 04:03:49 PM
Regarding donations - we already have about 20% of the Monero owners joining MEW. If we get this number to about 50%, then it will be easier to fund development as a community effort because there is no free riding.
how to get in there?
a third idea and that is basically how mike hear financed his project is to convince very rich anarchists/libertarians that this project has a lot of value. finding these guys in the bitcoin environment should be easy
convincing them that there is place for a second major currency is hard. first because the person probably thinks it shoots its own leg, second because there needs to be an incentive for him. that said I think there are people who see besides their own profit, moral reasons to invest in a project like this.I agree with this. There needs to be more moral arguments promoted in the direction of voluntary donation.
September 17, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
I downloaded the newest version and it is no longer detected as a trojan. (it is incredibly slow though )
) 
September 17, 2014, 04:00:04 PM
September 17, 2014, 03:59:52 PM
My virus scanner (F-secure) just reported that bitmonerod.exe contained a trojan. It's the version I downloaded on this site.
What's up? False positive?
What's up? False positive?
Use your own common sense, but yes false positive, just like minerd.exe and other bitcoin executables.
The reason is Monero has been a CPU minable coin from the beginning. So botnets distribute the daemon for mining via trojans.
September 17, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
My virus scanner (F-secure) just reported that bitmonerod.exe contained a trojan. It's the version I downloaded on this site.
What's up? False positive?
What's up? False positive?
My scanner (Kaskpersky Pure) doesn't report anything special. Latest version, just downloaded from OP to be sure.
September 17, 2014, 03:59:33 PM
My virus scanner (F-secure) just reported that bitmonerod.exe contained a trojan. It's the version I downloaded on this site.
What's up? False positive?
What's up? False positive?
What happened to dev? Why is the price down? SCAM!
September 17, 2014, 03:55:29 PM
My virus scanner (F-secure) just reported that bitmonerod.exe contained a trojan. It's the version I downloaded on this site.
What's up? False positive?
What's up? False positive?
September 17, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
New day, new drama 
gotta love the world of crypto
gotta love the world of crypto September 17, 2014, 02:35:56 PM
Also obviously this would have to be temporary. The devs would need to commit to weaning off of such a system after given features are implemented or a given period of time.
I would suggest exhausting all possible external options for raising funds before building something into the software. I think going this other route would be more scandalized and trolled than you're considering.
I don't think that it's fundamentally bad to build something into the software. Not sure if you saw the Missive, but in the last wizard screenshot there's an idea for an auto-donation system we want to implement: https://i.imgur.com/ACDmOFJ.jpg
The basic idea is that it's completely user-selectable, based on a % of your tx fee (cumulative to avoid adding dust outputs) that is added on top of the tx fee, so it'll never have a major impact. In the GUI we'd most likely have it on at 50% by default.
Making it opt-in is definitely important.
Look, one can argue that having good developers is just as important to a cryptocurrency's future as the security provided by the miners, and so, too, deserve compensation. The problem with open source projects is how to implement this compensation in such a way that it doesn't centralize the development funds to one particular individual or set of individuals. If there was some way to trustlessly and fairly direct funds to each individual developer based on their perceived contributions to the development work, using some sort of algorithm, that would be the ideal. This may be an intractable problem.
It's no wonder that projects where there is no opposition to investment in a centralization of effort (say, closed source startups) at least don't have this problem. They do have other problems, of course.
September 17, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
September 17, 2014, 02:23:52 PM
who is on damage control 
What damage? Should we react every time someone claims something? At this stage, given that there are no technical details, we can only assume that it may be true or it may be false. And, thus, do nothing until something tips the evidence either way.
FUD is the most used drug within the cryptocoin world. This is not new; no evidence? Does not exist.
September 17, 2014, 01:56:25 PM
who is on damage control
What damage? Should we react every time someone claims something? At this stage, given that there are no technical details, we can only assume that it may be true or it may be false. And, thus, do nothing until something tips the evidence either way.
September 17, 2014, 01:54:48 PM
Maybe BitcoinEXpress should code his own coin if he's of such skill?
September 17, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
who is on damage control
September 17, 2014, 01:32:20 PM
Eek. I was about to say at least there has been no dump...
too soon
September 17, 2014, 01:29:19 PM
Eek. I was about to say at least there has been no dump...
September 17, 2014, 01:29:07 PM
It is not as simple as a case where the white hats are easily identifiable.
I beg to differ. That seems a false balance to me. It takes a pretty bad lie detector to misplace those boundaries in this case.
Anyhow, it doesn't matter: Just release the exploit publicly. The only reason I can comprehend not to do so is a plan to use it personally in future, for extortion or malice. But I may be missing something.
You might be missing the power of trolling. BCX have been taunted, he enraged and made some damaging move. Now he's just glad XMR's community took a nice FUD-bomb in the face. Sometimes the most obvious explanation can be the best.
Anyway we can all applause our favorite fake-shill troll moneroman88 for his very well executed provocation.
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