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Quote from: smooth on May 22, 2014, 05:54:42 PM

Quote from: darlidada on May 22, 2014, 05:26:41 PM

This is what Pliskov, the developper of the Cryptonote technology, just said regarding its integration within the code of bitcoin:

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CryptoNote's main privacy features adoption into Bitcoin and its forks is not so easy as it seems at first glance. If somone desided to do it he would have to rewrite cryptographic functions, change the tranzactions’sctucture, and add a lot of new functions to process it. Thus it would be a hardfork. Of course you can do it from scratch but you’ll have to wait till all your users update their binaries and suppport a lot of exceptions for the old blockchain part. This is arelly difficult task. Nevertheless what benefits do you want to get by getting CN’s code inside the BTC’code?

source: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=192

You can pretty much forget about anything significant being added to BTC, unless there is a major change of leaders and philosophy. BTC in the year 2100 will look about the same as BTC of 2014. Maybe the side chains thing will go in, but even that seems questionable.

This is normal, and probably healthy. Technological progress often happens by leapfrogging, not evolution. The idea that "we can just merge the features" don't work once something because mature and (often well-founded) conservatism sets in.

bitcoin may evolve and innovate more features in the future and will very well be the no1 crypto for quite some time.

BUT bitcoin wont adopt any anon-technology, at least not decentalized in the qt-wallet. bitcoins main goal at the moment is to seek law compliance and to become truly legal in important economies. no way they will adopt anon-tech and shoot themselves in the foot.

bitcoin will stay anon-tech free for quite some time and another (illegal) crypto will emerge and fill that gap. maybe drk, who knows.

ibleed100s

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im getting about 2-3 mro an hour at minergate

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Please see the Monero economy thread if you can contribute to a discussion of the fundamental present value of MRO:

Quote from: aminorex on May 22, 2014, 05:55:05 PM

In another thread...

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Quote from: darlidada on May 22, 2014, 05:26:41 PM

This is what Pliskov, the developper of the Cryptonote technology, just said regarding its integration within the code of bitcoin:

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CryptoNote's main privacy features adoption into Bitcoin and its forks is not so easy as it seems at first glance. If somone desided to do it he would have to rewrite cryptographic functions, change the tranzactions’sctucture, and add a lot of new functions to process it. Thus it would be a hardfork. Of course you can do it from scratch but you’ll have to wait till all your users update their binaries and suppport a lot of exceptions for the old blockchain part. This is arelly difficult task. Nevertheless what benefits do you want to get by getting CN’s code inside the BTC’code?

source: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=192

You can pretty much forget about anything significant being added to BTC, unless there is a major change of leaders and philosophy. BTC in the year 2100 will look about the same as BTC of 2014. Maybe the side chains thing will go in, but even that seems questionable.

This is normal, and probably healthy. Technological progress often happens by leapfrogging, not evolution. The idea that "we can just merge the features" don't work once something because mature and (often well-founded) conservatism sets in.

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Quote from: xxnirvana69xx on May 22, 2014, 05:26:07 PM

[18:18] !calc 225
[18:18] With 225 H/s you should get 2.80 MRO per Day

I WISH I was making that right now. I've gotten 0 from solo mining for 2 days and .5 for pool mining lol.

What pool, I get about 3-4 a day with 300h/s

about 2.7 yesterday

Unless minerd is giving me the wrong hash rate

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Quote from: xxnirvana69xx on May 22, 2014, 05:26:07 PM

[18:18] !calc 225
[18:18] With 225 H/s you should get 2.80 MRO per Day

I WISH I was making that right now. I've gotten 0 from solo mining for 2 days and .5 for pool mining lol.

Check back in a few weeks on the solo mining. 2.8 MRO per day means roughly one block per week. You might get two in a week or go two or more weeks with none. You can't look at solo mining (on one computer) as something that will throw off coins regularly on a daily basis.

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This is what Pliskov, the developper of the Cryptonote technology, just said regarding its integration within the code of bitcoin:

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CryptoNote's main privacy features adoption into Bitcoin and its forks is not so easy as it seems at first glance. If somone desided to do it he would have to rewrite cryptographic functions, change the tranzactions’sctucture, and add a lot of new functions to process it. Thus it would be a hardfork. Of course you can do it from scratch but you’ll have to wait till all your users update their binaries and suppport a lot of exceptions for the old blockchain part. This is arelly difficult task. Nevertheless what benefits do you want to get by getting CN’s code inside the BTC’code?

source: https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=192

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[18:18] !calc 225
[18:18] With 225 H/s you should get 2.80 MRO per Day

I WISH I was making that right now. I've gotten 0 from solo mining for 2 days and .5 for pool mining lol.

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Quote from: surfer43 on May 22, 2014, 04:42:17 PM

Quote from: smooth on May 22, 2014, 04:39:35 PM

As I said the fee structure should reflect the actual cost of processing the transactions, or perhaps modestly higher to prevent spam but only impose a small extra cost on legitimate users. What that looks like exactly is TBD. It may not be necessary to exactly adjust to all the factors that account for cost as long as the fee is always a little higher than cost. We can start with something more than the negligible fee that is used now and go from there.

I suggest 0.0001 MRO as a starting point.

We know BTC's relay fee isn't high enough to entirely prevent spam but it to keep it under control somewhat. BTC's fee now is 0.00001 or 0.0001 if you are are using an older version (and some other numbers for other older versions). That's around $0.005 so whatever that translates into in MRO is probably about right. Eventually this should be dynamic, of course, and BTC is looking at doing that as well, but we do need a realistic fee that prevents millions of spam transactions as an attack.

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Quote from: ibleed100s on May 22, 2014, 04:58:52 PM

yes minergate is the one doing this? is it this pool would it happen with another pool?

http://moneropool.org seems to be working fine with cpuminer after 10 minutes.

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Hey... how do I get simplewallet to stop crashing when unlocking my wallet? I have already checked on a different workstation and it is opening just fine. Also... I have never managed to open this wallet with CryptoNoteWallet though... it keeps saying Initializing even with the updated version.

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Is there anything I can do to make simplewallet to STOP CRASHING when I try unlock??? Undecided

Try this:
1) Backup your wallet (wallet.bin.keys is the most important file)
2) Delete wallet.bin (not wallet.bin.keys)
3) Start simplewallet - it'll ask you for wallet name -> write "wallet.bin"
4) Enter your password. Your wallet will be generated based on the wallet.bin.keys

Edit: wallet.bin is inconsistent with different systems (linux, windows, 64x, 32x), but wallet.bin.keys could be used on any system.

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Quote from: sorryforthat on May 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM

Quote from: surfer43 on May 22, 2014, 04:43:52 PM

Quote from: ibleed100s on May 22, 2014, 04:42:36 PM

someone needs to fix the cpuminer fork https://github.com/Lucasjones/cpuminer-multi

because it litterally stop working after 10 min of mining.. then have to restart all over for it to work

[2014-05-23 07:41:56] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] ...retry after 10 seconds
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] ...retry after 10 seconds

was there a fix for this?

Which pool?

Minergate has been doing that

yes minergate is the one doing this? is it this pool would it happen with another pool?

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Hey... how do I get simplewallet to stop crashing when unlocking my wallet? I have already checked on a different workstation and it is opening just fine. Also... I have never managed to open this wallet with CryptoNoteWallet though... it keeps saying Initializing even with the updated version.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Is there anything I can do to make simplewallet to STOP CRASHING when I try unlock??? Undecided

Can you try deleting wallet.bin (but not wallet.bin.keys) and then opening wallet.bin with simplewallet?

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Quote from: surfer43 on May 22, 2014, 04:43:52 PM

Quote from: ibleed100s on May 22, 2014, 04:42:36 PM

someone needs to fix the cpuminer fork https://github.com/Lucasjones/cpuminer-multi

because it litterally stop working after 10 min of mining.. then have to restart all over for it to work

[2014-05-23 07:41:56] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] ...retry after 10 seconds
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] ...retry after 10 seconds

was there a fix for this?

Which pool?

Minergate has been doing that

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Quote from: ibleed100s on May 22, 2014, 04:42:36 PM

someone needs to fix the cpuminer fork https://github.com/Lucasjones/cpuminer-multi

because it litterally stop working after 10 min of mining.. then have to restart all over for it to work

[2014-05-23 07:41:56] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] ...retry after 10 seconds
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] ...retry after 10 seconds

was there a fix for this?

Which pool?

ibleed100s

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someone needs to fix the cpuminer fork https://github.com/Lucasjones/cpuminer-multi

because it litterally stop working after 10 min of mining.. then have to restart all over for it to work

[2014-05-23 07:41:56] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:41:56] ...retry after 10 seconds
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] json_rpc2.0 error: Unknown job id
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] submit_upstream_work json_rpc_call failed
[2014-05-23 07:42:07] ...retry after 10 seconds

was there a fix for this?

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Quote from: smooth on May 22, 2014, 04:39:35 PM

As I said the fee structure should reflect the actual cost of processing the transactions, or perhaps modestly higher to prevent spam but only impose a small extra cost on legitimate users. What that looks like exactly is TBD. It may not be necessary to exactly adjust to all the factors that account for cost as long as the fee is always a little higher than cost. We can start with something more than the negligible fee that is used now and go from there.

I suggest 0.0001 MRO as a starting point.

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Quote from: AlexGR on May 22, 2014, 04:22:15 PM

Quote from: smooth on May 22, 2014, 04:18:15 PM

Quote from: surfer43 on May 22, 2014, 03:58:18 PM

Quote from: fluffypony on May 22, 2014, 03:53:28 PM

2: exactly the same as a dust attack on the Bitcoin blockchain. Do we not remember the 1Enjoy 1Sochi dust attack? Attackers attempting this quickly run out of funds, which is kinda the point of transaction fees:)

The tx fees with Monero are extremely low compared to Bitcoin, especially considering the price difference.

I could send 1 million transactions for 2 USD right now.

The level of transaction fees is definitely TBD. As I mentioned they should be somewhat close to the cost of actually processing the transaction (at which point if someone sends a million transactions, great, that's more business for miners), and right now that is likely not the case.

Do tx costs scale depending the laundry depth? If not, the attack vector can be to use maximum laundering per tx to create as much bloat as possible. But if they are charged proportionally then it might give away the laundry depth (?).

As I said the fee structure should reflect the actual cost of processing the transactions, or perhaps modestly higher to prevent spam but only impose a small extra cost on legitimate users. What that looks like exactly is TBD. It may not be necessary to exactly adjust to all the factors that account for cost as long as the fee is always a little higher than cost. We can start with something more than the negligible fee that is used now and go from there.

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