Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 2032. (Read 4670562 times)

I’ve got this error repeating over and over.
I think it's still mining however.

i'm also waitting for a optimized cpu minning tool, it seems that somebody has that version, now it's unfair for vs whice use the old tool~~

Any progress in the new mine tool?
publish a linux first,let us rise the nethash

I don't know if I would go so far as to promise no hard fork for that ever. If there is some well-thought-out improved version of CryptoNight (perhaps from the original developers) and it seems useful, I could see a carefully-done hard fork to adopt it.

Half-assed efforts to tweak this or that in a poorly-researched way to desperately defeat some optimized miners will very likely not happen. Cyptonote tried to do CPU-only, and they have a reasoned justification for it (though certainly not all agree). If they fail to deliver, we won't stand in the way of that natural evolution to GPU/ASIC/whatever.

You see no real problem with bot herders - who are very likely to just dump the coins no matter what market price is - getting a rather large portion of the coins compared to regular miners?

You really don't have to worry about botnets doing a 51%, there's not much profit in it. You'd be competing against other, "honest" botnets (weird thing to say) that are working for the coin, not against it.

Sure, if you get an INSANE number of regular users to mine for themselves, then you won't have to worry about it. But most people are slow to adopt new things - and even less so when they don't see a clear benefit for them. "Who wants to make pennies a day for letting software run on your computer" - even if you could pay them in fiat, which most of them would be far more comfortable with - that's hardly a tantalizing headline. Most people would figure it's not worth the effort.

meaning this coin will not hard fork to actively avoid optimized mining.

A well executed cpu-mineable crypto coin is in fact the ultimate botnet and will likely outcompete the other botnets. It doesn't have to hide from the users because it recruits them to voluntarily install it.

what's the current block id?
how'll I understand my bitmonerond is synced?

About the "free" aspect of the hardware - the home user cannot often build their hashrate with very little money + a medium amount of work.

As for Monero not being in their radar, I agree... for now. But if the coin gets big, botnet mining will be a HUGE attraction.

what's the current block id?
how'll I understand my bitmonerond is synced?

0. I'm not a git and programming friendly.
1. There're AES and SSE hard coded, without choice.
2. There're 3 files with a bunch of indish code.
3. Tested only on linux x64 (Ubuntu 14.04) gcc 4.8.2, boost 1.55

Ok?

smooth, NoodleDoodle just said on IRC his latest optimizations are 4x faster on Windows. Untested on Linux so far but he'll push the source to the git repo soon.

We'll be at 1 million network hashrate pretty soon.

lazybear are you interested in a bounty to release the source code (maybe cleaned up a bit?) your optimized miner? 

If not, I'll probably play around with the code myself tomorrow and see if I can come up with something, or maybe Noodle Doodle will take an interest.

You think the average person will recognize the very slight increase in noise that would come from a CPU getting a little warm and the fan speed going up? Most of those cases are not designed to evacuate heat and suck in cool air, they're designed to be quiet - even under load.

Let's say, for the purposes of this discussion, that most regular people have 2 CPUs working for them. Maybe they're high end, maybe low end, but let's just look at the number of CPUs at this point. Regular miner has his 2 CPUs, now botnet miner likely has tens or hundreds of thousands. Really good bot herders can even break the 1M bots mark. You can see that even if we consider the number of bots the botner miner has as half of the total - to account for shut down PCs, loss of bots, internet connection issues on the bots, etc.- and even to tip it more in the home user's favor, let's say he has 2 of the latest i7 Extreme Editions, or hell, even high end Xeons. Even if those bots are all rocking low-end Pentiums and Semprons, the botnet miner will kill the average users by a LARGE margin.

As an aside, this is why ASICs are awful: They are EXTREMELY expensive compared to GPUs, locking out the average person, they entail greater risk, as they cannot be resold if their mining usefulness ends before you thought it would, and they are plug and play, so you can hire unskilled labor to keep them running - and you'll need less labor, because they are far more stable.

lazybear are you interested in a bounty to release the source code (maybe cleaned up a bit?) your optimized miner?  

If not, I'll probably play around with the code myself tomorrow and see if I can come up with something, or maybe Noodle Doodle will take an interest.

Come on, think about why that reasoning is faulty for a minute. No, I'm serious. Think about it before you read the rest of this post.




Let's say, for the purposes of this discussion, that most regular people have 2 CPUs working for them. Maybe they're high end, maybe low end, but let's just look at the number of CPUs at this point. Regular miner has his 2 CPUs, now botnet miner likely has tens or hundreds of thousands. Really good bot herders can even break the 1M bots mark. You can see that even if we consider the number of bots the botner miner has as half of the total - to account for shut down PCs, loss of bots, internet connection issues on the bots, etc.- and even to tip it more in the home user's favor, let's say he has 2 of the latest i7 Extreme Editions, or hell, even high end Xeons. Even if those bots are all rocking low-end Pentiums and Semprons, the botnet miner will kill the average users by a LARGE margin.

Now, why won't this happen with GPUs? Well, for starters, botnet mining on GPUs is not advisable. Very few bots will have decent GPUs, even fewer will have high-end ones, and the user will likely notice the fan going at 100% if he's just in the room. So even if you disable it when he's on the system, his chances of noticing something is amiss are too damned high. Okay, but what about rich GPU farmers? Well, GPUs cost a lot. Not per unit, but to maintain. The more of them you have, you start having big problems. Insane, ungodly amounts of heat. Ridiculous power bills. And then you need someone who is very skilled with computers - and mining, too - to maintain the farm, because God knows GPUs that are left overclocked and running at 100% for weeks/months at a time are not stable. In short, GPUs do not scale well. A few are easy to manage, try too many, and it will cost you a fortune.

As an aside, this is why ASICs are awful: They are EXTREMELY expensive compared to GPUs, locking out the average person, they entail greater risk, as they cannot be resold if their mining usefulness ends before you thought it would, and they are plug and play, so you can hire unskilled labor to keep them running - and you'll need less labor, because they are far more stable.