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smooth

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Quote from: jeepyey on May 09, 2014, 04:17:34 AM

When out of the trading platform？

It is going to be a little while. This is not a bitcoin clone so its not just a matter of adding yet one more cookie cutter coin with the same API. It is real work for exchanges to support. Work is being done, be patient.

Meanwhile, we do have a trading thread. Come check it out. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-mro-monero-trading-thread-and-otc-xchg-578192

jeepyey

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When out of the trading platform？

Keyboard-Mash

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Hey guys, with all the confusion that's been about recently I think it's time to consider settling on a logo that we can use to easily identify ourselves. This would be a major step in sustainability.

I've made a whole lot of comments in the logo thread, and with the current submissions so far I'd like to vote for this one:

http://s25.postimg.org/nsap3qqjz/monero242.png

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Quote from: AnonyMint on May 08, 2014, 10:37:45 PM

Quote from: smooth on May 08, 2014, 09:15:59 PM

Quote from: Buratino on May 08, 2014, 09:09:39 PM

Someone (C++ skilled) did private optimized miner a few days ago, he got 74H/s for i5 haswell. He pointed that mining code was very unoptimized and he did essential improvements for yourself. So, high H/S is possible yet.
Can the dev's core review code for that?

Let me explain a bit about how open source works. Anyone is free to contribute. The lead developer and core team reviews the proposed changes and either adopts them or not. There is at least one of the core team who does work on optimization, and posted some optimizations. I would not be surprised if he develops further optimizations as well.

So if you have proposed code changes, please submit them. Some sort of statement -- backed up by zero evidence -- about a unicorn miner that someone has is not helpful. Every altcoin has these "Kaiser Soze" miners who supposedly have much faster mining code than everybody else. Sometimes it's true and sometimes it isn't. We can't force anyone to contribute their code.

The PoW algorithm needs to be highly optimized from public launch.

Also IMHO, closed source on the PoW algorithm would be best until several weeks of ramp up is complete so clones are too far behind.

Open source is a very effective paradigm for refining (because of the Linus law, "given enough eyeballs, every bug or refinement is shallow"), but it is not as effective at innovation because innovation requires pride+ownership (in one's work), investment of effort, and most of all leadership. Eric Raymond (the creator of the term "open source") opened a discussion on this last year (see the comments):

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4946 (Adobe in cloud-cuckoo land)

For example, how do you plan to decentralize pools? You will need some innovative leadership on an algorithm for that, lest you end up same as Bitcoin with two pools controlling greater than 50% of the network hash power.

Ditto making mining easy enough for grandma to do. Etc.

Does anyone know of any innovative project (created many new killer features) that was created by open source (and not open sourced after those innovative features were completed)?

Btw, Russians are very astute at algorithmic optimization:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901 (National styles in hacking)

Unfortunately, I fear you're preaching to deaf ears. I don't believe many of the folks here understand the importance of the features you're speaking of. I've stated more than once upthread that mining should be so easy grandma can do it. Pool sizes need to be limited or pools made unnecessary altogether. Transaction fees need to disappear. A fixed money supply won't work long term. I've been saying it. Few listen.

Anonymint, a truly anonymous cpu-only-forever coin would be great, but such features are useless if the community can't even create a currency capable of sustaining itself, let alone remaining decentralized. "One foot before the other" I suppose is what I'm trying to say.

smooth

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Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 03:07:10 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:48:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:40:09 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

Thanks for your reply and the link. I've already looked through that and it doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid, perhaps if I spend some time on it later after work it might.

Yes its the graphics interface part that I'm not used to. Must have been spoiled with all the other coins I've tinkered with

.

I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

I dont have Windows unfortunately but i think that all you have to do is:

1. Create a text file on the folder with the files
2. Put the following in the text file:

@echo off

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq bitmonerod.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "bitmonerod.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  echo Starting node...
  start /MIN bitmonerod.exe
) else (
  echo Node already started.
)

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq simplewallet.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "simplewallet.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  if exist wallet.bin.keys (
   echo Starting previous wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --wallet wallet.bin
  ) else (
   echo Starting new wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet.bin
  )
) else (
  echo Wallet already started.
)

3. Save as the file and where it asks you about name write start.bat
4. Then in the folder a file named start.bat will appear. Just double click it. It will ask you for a password. Put a strong one and remember it! It will be your wallets password.

That's great thank you very much.

I've now got 2 command windows open, the first one (bitmonerod.exe) looks like its downloading the blockchain (black background with yellow scrolling text) and the second window (simplewallet.exe) has my wallet info at the top and a command prompt ([wallet ******]

.

I assume that I now just have to wait for the blockchain to download?

Also, once you have the daemon synced you can start mining right from the wallet. Here's the mining guide (you've already done most of the first setup steps).

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

Be patient when mining! You might not get anything right away.

hedgy73

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Thanks everyone for your help I will carry on with this later today after work.

hedgy73

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Quote from: pandher on May 09, 2014, 03:03:07 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:40:09 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

Thanks for your reply and the link. I've already looked through that and it doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid, perhaps if I spend some time on it later after work it might.

Yes its the graphics interface part that I'm not used to. Must have been spoiled with all the other coins I've tinkered with

.

I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

Its very simple, download the windows 64bit binaries and the recent windows blockchain from OP. You will get 4 files in binaries package.

Go to the Users/xxxxx/appdata/roaming/ folder and create a new folder named bitmonero . Put the blockchain file (Which you downloaded) there.

Now start bitmonerod.exe. It will say 'You may now start simplewallet' and 'Synchronized OK' in green when done.

Then start simplewallet.exe , it will ask for wallet name, choose your name, then enter password (REMEMBER IT)

It will generate a new wallet address

No you can start receiving coins. PM me if you need any help

Thank you for your help

smooth

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Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 03:07:10 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:48:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:40:09 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

Thanks for your reply and the link. I've already looked through that and it doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid, perhaps if I spend some time on it later after work it might.

Yes its the graphics interface part that I'm not used to. Must have been spoiled with all the other coins I've tinkered with

.

I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

I dont have Windows unfortunately but i think that all you have to do is:

1. Create a text file on the folder with the files
2. Put the following in the text file:

@echo off

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq bitmonerod.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "bitmonerod.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  echo Starting node...
  start /MIN bitmonerod.exe
) else (
  echo Node already started.
)

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq simplewallet.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "simplewallet.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  if exist wallet.bin.keys (
   echo Starting previous wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --wallet wallet.bin
  ) else (
   echo Starting new wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet.bin
  )
) else (
  echo Wallet already started.
)

3. Save as the file and where it asks you about name write start.bat
4. Then in the folder a file named start.bat will appear. Just double click it. It will ask you for a password. Put a strong one and remember it! It will be your wallets password.

That's great thank you very much.

I've now got 2 command windows open, the first one (bitmonerod.exe) looks like its downloading the blockchain (black background with yellow scrolling text) and the second window (simplewallet.exe) has my wallet info at the top and a command prompt ([wallet ******]

.

I assume that I now just have to wait for the blockchain to download?

Yup.

hedgy73

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Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:48:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:40:09 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

Thanks for your reply and the link. I've already looked through that and it doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid, perhaps if I spend some time on it later after work it might.

Yes its the graphics interface part that I'm not used to. Must have been spoiled with all the other coins I've tinkered with

.

I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

I dont have Windows unfortunately but i think that all you have to do is:

1. Create a text file on the folder with the files
2. Put the following in the text file:

@echo off

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq bitmonerod.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "bitmonerod.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  echo Starting node...
  start /MIN bitmonerod.exe
) else (
  echo Node already started.
)

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq simplewallet.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "simplewallet.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  if exist wallet.bin.keys (
   echo Starting previous wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --wallet wallet.bin
  ) else (
   echo Starting new wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet.bin
  )
) else (
  echo Wallet already started.
)

3. Save as the file and where it asks you about name write start.bat
4. Then in the folder a file named start.bat will appear. Just double click it. It will ask you for a password. Put a strong one and remember it! It will be your wallets password.

That's great thank you very much.

I've now got 2 command windows open, the first one (bitmonerod.exe) looks like its downloading the blockchain (black background with yellow scrolling text) and the second window (simplewallet.exe) has my wallet info at the top and a command prompt ([wallet ******]

.

I assume that I now just have to wait for the blockchain to download?

pandher

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Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:40:09 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

Thanks for your reply and the link. I've already looked through that and it doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid, perhaps if I spend some time on it later after work it might.

Yes its the graphics interface part that I'm not used to. Must have been spoiled with all the other coins I've tinkered with

.

I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

Its very simple, download the windows 64bit binaries and the recent windows blockchain from OP. You will get 4 files in binaries package.

Go to the Users/xxxxx/appdata/roaming/ folder and create a new folder named bitmonero . Put the blockchain file (Which you downloaded) there.

Now start bitmonerod.exe. It will say 'You may now start simplewallet' and 'Synchronized OK' in green when done.

Then start simplewallet.exe , it will ask for wallet name, choose your name, then enter password (REMEMBER IT)

It will generate a new wallet address

No you can start receiving coins. PM me if you need any help

GreekBitcoin

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getmonero.org

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:40:09 AM

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

Thanks for your reply and the link. I've already looked through that and it doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid, perhaps if I spend some time on it later after work it might.

Yes its the graphics interface part that I'm not used to. Must have been spoiled with all the other coins I've tinkered with

.

I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

I dont have Windows unfortunately but i think that all you have to do is:

1. Create a text file on the folder with the files
2. Put the following in the text file:

@echo off

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq bitmonerod.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "bitmonerod.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  echo Starting node...
  start /MIN bitmonerod.exe
) else (
  echo Node already started.
)

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq simplewallet.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "simplewallet.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  if exist wallet.bin.keys (
   echo Starting previous wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --wallet wallet.bin
  ) else (
   echo Starting new wallet...
   start simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet.bin
  )
) else (
  echo Wallet already started.
)

3. Save as the file and where it asks you about name write start.bat
4. Then in the folder a file named start.bat will appear. Just double click it. It will ask you for a password. Put a strong one and remember it! It will be your wallets password.

hedgy73

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Activity: 1414

Merit: 1077

Quote from: GreekBitcoin on May 09, 2014, 02:30:16 AM

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

Thanks for your reply and the link. I've already looked through that and it doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid, perhaps if I spend some time on it later after work it might.

Yes its the graphics interface part that I'm not used to. Must have been spoiled with all the other coins I've tinkered with

.

I'm running Windows 7 64 bit.

GreekBitcoin

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getmonero.org

Quote from: hedgy73 on May 09, 2014, 02:27:23 AM

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6586737

This might help.

This coin is not a bitcoin clone and so it hasnt yet a graphics interface. Its command line for now. But there is a bounty for GUI and soon there must be one...

Remember to backup your wallet once you create it!

Are you on windows or linux btw?

hedgy73

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Activity: 1414

Merit: 1077

I would like to invest in some of these coins but have tried to download and install the wallet by using the new binaries link but I don't get a wallet as such just some files.

Is there an idiots guide to creating a wallet so I can buy some coins to put in it or is there far more to it than that?

smooth

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Quote from: surfer43 on May 08, 2014, 11:32:42 PM

I am trying to optimize the binaries for linux with Intel C++ Composer XE 2013. I'm getting this error.

Code:

[ 33%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/cryptonote_core.dir/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp.o
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-Wvla'
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-Wlogical-op'
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-flto'
/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/src/serialization/binary_archive.h(135): error #63: shift count is too large
          v >>= 8;
                ^
          detected during:
            instantiation of "void binary_archive::serialize_uint(T) [with T=unsigned char]" at line 127
            instantiation of "void binary_archive::serialize_int(T) [with T=unsigned char]" at line 165

Without looking too closely that looks like a compiler bug to me, or overly aggressive static checking that gets it wrong. Maybe you can turn off that check?

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Did not understand, careful of understanding Cheesy

bengtåke

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confused developer

Quote from: surfer43 on May 08, 2014, 11:32:42 PM

I am trying to optimize the binaries for linux with Intel C++ Composer XE 2013. I'm getting this error.

Code:

[ 33%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/cryptonote_core.dir/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp.o
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-Wvla'
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-Wlogical-op'
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-flto'
/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/src/serialization/binary_archive.h(135): error #63: shift count is too large
          v >>= 8;
                ^
          detected during:
            instantiation of "void binary_archive::serialize_uint(T) [with T=unsigned char]" at line 127
            instantiation of "void binary_archive::serialize_int(T) [with T=unsigned char]" at line 165

That's just the tip of the iceberg :x

surfer43

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"Trading Platform of The Future!"

I am trying to optimize the binaries for linux with Intel C++ Composer XE 2013. I'm getting this error.

Code:

[ 33%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/cryptonote_core.dir/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp.o
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-Wvla'
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-Wlogical-op'
icpc: command line warning #10006: ignoring unknown option '-flto'
/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/src/serialization/binary_archive.h(135): error #63: shift count is too large
          v >>= 8;
                ^
          detected during:
            instantiation of "void binary_archive::serialize_uint(T) [with T=unsigned char]" at line 127
            instantiation of "void binary_archive::serialize_int(T) [with T=unsigned char]" at line 165

AnonyMint

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One more issue comes to mind.

If the leader (lead developer) of an anonymous coin which successfully threatens the banksters' global hegemony over fiat, is not also anonymous, then he can be coerced by the powers-that-be in numerous ways (e.g. tax audit, trumped up criminal charges on something since there are so many laws everyone of us is breaking a federal or EU law every day, etc).

Thus the lead developer can't gain from fame in the usual way of open source projects, e.g. Linus Torvalds.

These issues need to be contemplated BEFORE launching your coin.

If you are only interested in pump and dump, then this issue isn't important. But if you are serious about long-term development and success of the coin, then the issue should be discussed.

If you choose instead a leaderless open source strategy to combat the above issue, then you have the issues of my prior post.

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Quote from: smooth on May 08, 2014, 09:15:59 PM

Quote from: Buratino on May 08, 2014, 09:09:39 PM

Someone (C++ skilled) did private optimized miner a few days ago, he got 74H/s for i5 haswell. He pointed that mining code was very unoptimized and he did essential improvements for yourself. So, high H/S is possible yet.
Can the dev's core review code for that?

Let me explain a bit about how open source works. Anyone is free to contribute. The lead developer and core team reviews the proposed changes and either adopts them or not. There is at least one of the core team who does work on optimization, and posted some optimizations. I would not be surprised if he develops further optimizations as well.

So if you have proposed code changes, please submit them. Some sort of statement -- backed up by zero evidence -- about a unicorn miner that someone has is not helpful. Every altcoin has these "Kaiser Soze" miners who supposedly have much faster mining code than everybody else. Sometimes it's true and sometimes it isn't. We can't force anyone to contribute their code.

The PoW algorithm needs to be highly optimized from public launch.

Also IMHO, closed source on the PoW algorithm would be best until several weeks of ramp up is complete so clones are too far behind.

Open source is a very effective paradigm for refining (because of the Linus law, "given enough eyeballs, every bug or refinement is shallow"), but it is not as effective at innovation because innovation requires pride+ownership (in one's work), investment of effort, and most of all leadership. Eric Raymond (the creator of the term "open source") opened a discussion on this last year (see the comments):

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4946 (Adobe in cloud-cuckoo land)

For example, how do you plan to decentralize pools? You will need some innovative leadership on an algorithm for that, lest you end up same as Bitcoin with two pools controlling greater than 50% of the network hash power.

Ditto making mining easy enough for grandma to do. Etc.

Does anyone know of any innovative project (created many new killer features) that was created by open source (and not open sourced after those innovative features were completed)?

Btw, Russians are very astute at algorithmic optimization:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901 (National styles in hacking)

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