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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 592. (Read 4670673 times)

legendary
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Anyone here that have actually used Bitsquare?
Last I heard it was in Beta.


I tried it when it added myriadcoin a month ago or so. Couple things I didn't like:
You have to keep your computer running it online all the time or your orders disappear.
You can't really test it out with small trades because the escrow fees are so high.
No one was using it.
hero member
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Anyone here that have actually used Bitsquare?
Last I heard it was in Beta.
sr. member
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I'd advice not wasting your time trying to figure out what's going on with jl777's dubious "project of the month".
newbie
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Can anyone comment on the privacy solution offered by BTCD? They have termed it Teleport and Telepathy.
Teleport seems to have components of XMR's solution to privacy:
"In a mantissa attack you are identified because of the exact size of your transaction.
That makes your transaction distinctive among others and it is easy to spot you on the blockchain.
To remove this threat the telepods use standard denominations, i.e.100, 50,10, 5,1 and so on."
I've seen comparisons of XMR with other anon-centric coins but not with BTCD.

Unless it has been reworked from the dark paper last year, it is worthless and doesn't solve any of the problems that blockchains exist to solve.

You send your telepod to the recipient. The recipient can either submit it on the blockchain, it which case it ends up looking exactly the same as if you spent it yourself. Or they can pass the telepod on to another recipient, which in theory delinks you from the first recipient (though you are now linked with the second, which for all you know might even be worse, and vice versa). What is to keep first recipient from passing the output on to two parties (effectively a double spend) or to keep you from double spending the output while it is being passed around? Nothing.

So:

1. Ignores the need for double spend protection
2. Transactions are still strongly linked to some actual recipient on the blockchain (even more so than coinjoin), by at best a small number of hops, maybe none.

Other stuff in BTCD like the asset exchange might be worth something -- I haven't evaluated it -- but the privacy stuff is just nonsense.

If there is something new going on, I'd need to see a new paper, though frankly I'm not sure I would put in the effort to read it. Getting through the dark paper was excruciating.







I did some digging to try and find out specifics about BTCD's anonymity features and this was all I could find (mostly from the supernet/nxt report).
Quoting the parts that I think are relevant:

"Unlike all other anonymity coins, BitcoinDark does not use mixing or ring signatures to achieve anonymity."
"Teleport allows you to send money in a way that makesit very hard to track your IP address. It is done through a trustless and decentralized off-blockchain exchange mechanism.
Telepathy on the other hand will allow users to send data without the need to know each other's IP addresses... transactions are end-to end encrypted and not linked to each other.
There is no exact time when a transaction happens and the transactions will use standard denominations."
"This is avoided in teleport by using one-time addresses called telepods. Each address is used only once,so its impossible to link it to any other part of
the network. This approach was recommended by Satoshi, but very few bitcoin users seem to follow that advice in practice."
"Instead of submitting a transaction directly to the network, the privacy-server encrypts it multiple times and passes it through several other nodes first"
"telepathy... allows nodes in the network to communicate without knowing the IP address of the recipient. Transactions are sent to a 'dead-drop' address
which is seen by multiple parties. No one knows who exactly is the recipient, other than the recipient himself. This is because the transaction is encrypted and only the
recipient can decode it."

I tried looking for the actual whitepaper but was unable to find it so I'm working with what I can find.
The BTCD is supposed to be releasing a much more efficient version of the Bitcoin wallet (Iguana) which has 'anon' features using BTCD tech.
If Bitcoin users use the iguana wallet as their main BTC wallet (due to efficiency) it is important that the anonymity feature that is most accessible to them is actually functional.
From what you said, the anon features do not seem thoroughly tested and possibly even not that anonymous.
If this is true, this is going to be a big problem, especially for users that want to make use of anonymity.





legendary
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Pardon my ignorance :-P I must've been messing things up in my head.

2 1/2 years and first time I've seen you make a error and a minor one at that! Wish I could say the same! You do a great job if it hasn't been mentioned. Keep up the great work. Smiley

Thanks, I've made more though, but we live and learn :-)
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
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Pardon my ignorance :-P I must've been messing things up in my head.

2 1/2 years and first time I've seen you make a error and a minor one at that! Wish I could say the same! You do a great job if it hasn't been mentioned. Keep up the great work. Smiley
legendary
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NEM, Ethereum and Dash are winning Monero in this poll: https://twitter.com/MrSilverCider/status/733562336514969600

Monero has 17% of the vote!

I will be writing books about these four crypto coins in 2017.  I will begin with the winner of this poll.  2 days left.

So, in your view, the teams with better marketing division deserve better placing, I see.
Ohwell, I added my vote.

The status is:
26% Ethereum
18% Dash
39% NEM
17% Monero

of 180 votes.

I only said I would begin with the "winner of this poll".  Second, third and fourth can be completed in any order.  A book on Monero will be published Cheesy

legendary
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Looking for campaign manager? Contact icopress!
NEM, Ethereum and Dash are winning Monero in this poll: https://twitter.com/MrSilverCider/status/733562336514969600

Monero has 17% of the vote!

I will be writing books about these four crypto coins in 2017.  I will begin with the winner of this poll.  2 days left.

So, in your view, the teams with better marketing division deserve better placing, I see.
Ohwell, I added my vote.

The status is:
26% Ethereum
18% Dash
39% NEM
17% Monero

of 180 votes.
legendary
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NEM, Ethereum and Dash are winning Monero in this poll: https://twitter.com/MrSilverCider/status/733562336514969600

Monero has 17% of the vote!

I will be writing books about these four crypto coins in 2017.  I will begin with the winner of this poll.  2 days left.
sr. member
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Monero community, your help is requested. Cookies, tea and the gratification of doing something important to help Monero will be your reward:

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/734839993353555970

I have been spending as much time as ever with Monero recently but less time using this pseudonym and less time on Bitcointalk. If you have questions or comments on this topic please post them here:

https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/2545/preliminary-i2p-stack-exchange-partnership-discussion
https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/2542/stack-exchange-commitment-requirements
legendary
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@Smooth, what IYO would be the best approach to a decentralized market place? IIRC we were waiting on the multi-sig for that purpose?

Good question. It isn't a problem I've thought a lot about but I think something like my idea for off-chain messaging with on-chain fee payment is probably a good foundation. Listing items, making offers/purchases, etc. could all be messages. Identity, rating, reputations,  web-of-trust, etc. are a tricker problems and probably need some other solution.

Search is unsolved, and openbazzar got a lot of things about the infrastructure obviously wrong (running over UDP which is incompatible with Tor - WTF?, people need to leave their computers on to serve a store - WTF?)


I think it should be left off Monero's blockchain for reasons stated by Smooth in the past about the potential to "bloat" the chain or whatever...

I just think that this theoretical store would need people to run it's own software program and have it's own GUI and everything... like downloading, running a node, and web browsing through tor, in a way... I would assume...

That theoretical store would need it's own GUI? Doh!
legendary
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One last question.  What is the emission / inflation rate of monero and where does it end?  currently at 11.8m according to coincap...will it go higher than that?

The base supply for variable rewards (each block pays out a tiny fraction of the remaining base supply, so as a result the block reward continuously decline slowly) is about 18.4 million. Once the reward reaches a minimum of 0.3/minute (0.6 per block given the current 2 minute blocks, though that could change) it will stay there forever. In theory this means the total supply is infinite, but once it reaches the 0.3/minute level the rate of growth will be very slow, <1% per year.

You can also observe the daily inflation here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/

Hasn't been adjusted for 2 minute blocks yet, but that doesn't really matter since the inflation per minute stayed the same.

It what?

Pardon my ignorance :-P I must've been messing things up in my head.
legendary
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One last question.  What is the emission / inflation rate of monero and where does it end?  currently at 11.8m according to coincap...will it go higher than that?

The base supply for variable rewards (each block pays out a tiny fraction of the remaining base supply, so as a result the block reward continuously decline slowly) is about 18.4 million. Once the reward reaches a minimum of 0.3/minute (0.6 per block given the current 2 minute blocks, though that could change) it will stay there forever. In theory this means the total supply is infinite, but once it reaches the 0.3/minute level the rate of growth will be very slow, <1% per year.

You can also observe the daily inflation here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/

Hasn't been adjusted for 2 minute blocks yet, but that doesn't really matter since the inflation per minute stayed the same.

It what?


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oh okay, thanks for clearing that up.  An M to XMR is like a Satoshi to BTC.

So the current amount of inflation is gradually descending.  What would be the expected supply of XMR by 2022?

Somewhere around 18.4M. Could be a little less because of block reward penalties.

cool so 11.8 now, 18.4 by then.  That's not bad at all.

It'll be about 18.1M when the minimum reward kicks in (can find it all in the spreadsheet linked above).
newbie
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oh okay, thanks for clearing that up.  An M to XMR is like a Satoshi to BTC.

So the current amount of inflation is gradually descending.  What would be the expected supply of XMR by 2022?

Somewhere around 18.4M. Could be a little less because of block reward penalties.

cool so 11.8 now, 18.4 by then.  That's not bad at all.
legendary
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oh okay, thanks for clearing that up.  An M to XMR is like a Satoshi to BTC.

So the current amount of inflation is gradually descending.  What would be the expected supply of XMR by 2022?

Somewhere around 18.4M. Could be a little less because of block reward penalties.
newbie
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One last question.  What is the emission / inflation rate of monero and where does it end?  currently at 11.8m according to coincap...will it go higher than that?

The base supply for variable rewards (each block pays out a tiny fraction of the remaining base supply, so as a result the block reward continuously decline slowly) is about 18.4 million. Once the reward reaches a minimum of 0.3/minute (0.6 per block given the current 2 minute blocks, though that could change) it will stay there forever. In theory this means the total supply is infinite, but once it reaches the 0.3/minute level the rate of growth will be very slow, <1% per year.

The first page says this...

[2] Initial number of atomic units is M = 2^64 - 1. However, once the block reward reaches 0.3 XMR per minute (sometime in 2022) that is treated as the minimum subsidy, which means that Monero's total emission will forever increase by ~157680 XMR annually.

So M = 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 ?  I'm not understanding something there...

Yes, but with the caveat that the "atomic unit" of Monero is 1e-12 XMR, so M = 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 atomic units = 18,446,744.073... XMR

oh okay, thanks for clearing that up.  An M to XMR is like a Satoshi to BTC.

So the current amount of inflation is gradually descending.  What would be the expected supply of XMR by 2022?
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