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September 06, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
September 06, 2015, 04:35:57 AM
Happy Halving Day!
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
Hey this is correct! Gifting is the way to go!
If you want to gift in CryptoKingdom, remember that all the core devs + a few other active contributors are there. The character #39: Monero House is a foundation operated by the devteam through the elected executive chairman Sir smooth, HE The Marquess of Cryptoluna. ("luna" meaning "moon" for the illiteratus
)CK thread.
September 06, 2015, 02:33:01 AM
Happy Halving Day!
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
Next Halving Day (21.01.2017) will literally be celebrated ON THE MOON.
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
Next Halving Day (21.01.2017) will literally be celebrated ON THE MOON.
Not literally. But we appreciate the sentiment.
No. we will literally be celebrating on the moon. Because we gonna buy rockets. And launch into space. And fly in microgravity. Because you can fly on the moon in an air bubble.
September 06, 2015, 02:13:19 AM
Happy Halving Day!
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
Next Halving Day (21.01.2017) will literally be celebrated ON THE MOON.
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
Next Halving Day (21.01.2017) will literally be celebrated ON THE MOON.
Not literally. But we appreciate the sentiment.
September 06, 2015, 01:17:33 AM
Happy Halving Day!
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
Next Halving Day (21.01.2017) will literally be celebrated ON THE MOON.
I'm sending our core devs and other pillars of the community some (private, unlinkable, untraceable) tokens of appreciation.
Next Halving Day (21.01.2017) will literally be celebrated ON THE MOON.
September 06, 2015, 12:26:19 AM
Well I've been away for a few months. Just caught up on posts here. I see things are moving forward as usual. Why would I expect otherwise, great community here for sure. Also just donated to the NVIDIA project. Since I'm mining with both NVIDIA and AMD I want to contribute where I can. Donated to many projects over the last year. Nice to see work getting done on many levels.
September 05, 2015, 10:06:03 PM
I consider myself a cunning linguist, and this still reads like Hermetic alchemy or something.
Being a cunning linguist may allow you to tokenize and parse a complex text into an adequate syntax tree, but you still need domain specific knowledge to derive proper semantics from it.
That was actually quite good.
Translation:
You might be hot shit in the big city, but can you skin a buck?
September 05, 2015, 08:17:19 PM
I consider myself a cunning linguist, and this still reads like Hermetic alchemy or something.
Being a cunning linguist may allow you to tokenize and parse a complex text into an adequate syntax tree, but you still need domain specific knowledge to derive proper semantics from it.
That was actually quite good.
September 05, 2015, 07:57:50 PM
Following up on the previous message (which quoted me), I think there is a missive in the works that talks about some of these issues. I don't know when it will be released.
September 05, 2015, 12:21:37 PM
Given current situation at Bitcoin and the dispute between the devs, I figured some people here might be interested in reading the following:
There have been no major disagreements on any of these points. Sure there are technical disagreements at times, but ultimately the vision on purely technical issues comes down to we try something and if it doesn't work out we can change it. There were some heated discussions about the emissions curve debate last year but ultimately we came to agreement on that point too.
In terms of overall vision we strongly agree, and have agreed since the beginning of Monero (i.e. well before the block size debate became a big deal), that Bitcoin's development model is badly broken. While I'm not sure I can state a specific consensus of the Monero team as to a root cause, my personal opinion is that it largely comes down to premature maturity imposed on the basis of wishful thinking (i.e. like nearly every teenager). The Bitcoin community and especially some of the devs convinced themselves (the 2013 pump didn't hurt) that Bitcoin was already a big deal ("Billions in market cap!"), was rapidly approaching maturity, and needed to be treated as critical financial infrastructure like Visa or even Fedwire as opposed to a work in progress. That was erroneous in every possible way.
No one working on Monero sees it as anything but a work in progress and if I have anything to do with it they won't for a very long time (far beyond Bitcoin's current maturity).
We've seen recently how discord between developers and also between factions in the larger community has slowed Bitcoin's development (and perhaps depressed its price), affecting the entire cryptocurrency sector. Monero's politics is more opaque. Here are some questions:
1. Do the XMR devs get along?
2. Do they share a vision for Monero's future?
3. Are there significant points of technical disagreement?
4. Does everyone agree on the development path (for example, that code review and optimization should precede "official" GUI development).
5. Does everyone agree on Monero's "governance model"?
1. Do the XMR devs get along?
2. Do they share a vision for Monero's future?
3. Are there significant points of technical disagreement?
4. Does everyone agree on the development path (for example, that code review and optimization should precede "official" GUI development).
5. Does everyone agree on Monero's "governance model"?
There have been no major disagreements on any of these points. Sure there are technical disagreements at times, but ultimately the vision on purely technical issues comes down to we try something and if it doesn't work out we can change it. There were some heated discussions about the emissions curve debate last year but ultimately we came to agreement on that point too.
In terms of overall vision we strongly agree, and have agreed since the beginning of Monero (i.e. well before the block size debate became a big deal), that Bitcoin's development model is badly broken. While I'm not sure I can state a specific consensus of the Monero team as to a root cause, my personal opinion is that it largely comes down to premature maturity imposed on the basis of wishful thinking (i.e. like nearly every teenager). The Bitcoin community and especially some of the devs convinced themselves (the 2013 pump didn't hurt) that Bitcoin was already a big deal ("Billions in market cap!"), was rapidly approaching maturity, and needed to be treated as critical financial infrastructure like Visa or even Fedwire as opposed to a work in progress. That was erroneous in every possible way.
No one working on Monero sees it as anything but a work in progress and if I have anything to do with it they won't for a very long time (far beyond Bitcoin's current maturity).
September 05, 2015, 11:39:25 AM
dEBRUYNE and GingeAle, thanx guys!
September 05, 2015, 11:22:22 AM
XMR devs, I have two question:
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
wow you're lazy...
1) one way would be the viewkey feature
2) wut?
I'll give a more serious answer.
[1] No, Bob could, next to using the viewkey, prove on a case-by-case basis that he paid Alice. See -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12083138. In addition, he could use a payment ID to prove he paid Alice.
[2] With encrypted payment ID's the transaction will be similiar to a normal transactions.
I have to add though that I don't really know the specifics of it. But I hope this helps
Then why we say the payment is untraceable if the buyer can prove he paid to the seller?
Because from the "outside" (think about observing the blockchain) you can't see if Bob revealed his case-by-case key or viewkey to Alice.
think about it this way: with bitcoin, or any other transparent blockchain, the receipt of your transaction is in this huge pile of receipts that anyone can dig through for whatever reason.
with monero, the receipt stays in your wallet. You can choose to prove to someone that you bought something. No one else.
September 05, 2015, 11:01:46 AM
XMR devs, I have two question:
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
wow you're lazy...
1) one way would be the viewkey feature
2) wut?
I'll give a more serious answer.
[1] No, Bob could, next to using the viewkey, prove on a case-by-case basis that he paid Alice. See -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12083138. In addition, he could use a payment ID to prove he paid Alice.
[2] With encrypted payment ID's the transaction will be similiar to a normal transactions.
I have to add though that I don't really know the specifics of it. But I hope this helps
Then why we say the payment is untraceable if the buyer can prove he paid to the seller?
Because from the "outside" (think about observing the blockchain) you can't see if Bob revealed his case-by-case key or viewkey to Alice.
September 05, 2015, 10:48:22 AM
XMR devs, I have two question:
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
wow you're lazy...
1) one way would be the viewkey feature
2) wut?
I'll give a more serious answer.
[1] No, Bob could, next to using the viewkey, prove on a case-by-case basis that he paid Alice. See -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12083138. In addition, he could use a payment ID to prove he paid Alice.
[2] With encrypted payment ID's the transaction will be similiar to a normal transactions.
I have to add though that I don't really know the specifics of it. But I hope this helps
Then why we say the payment is untraceable if the buyer can prove he paid to the seller?
September 05, 2015, 10:40:46 AM
XMR devs, I have two question:
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
wow you're lazy...
1) one way would be the viewkey feature
2) wut?
I'll give a more serious answer.
[1] No, Bob could, next to using the viewkey, prove on a case-by-case basis that he paid Alice. See -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12083138. In addition, he could use a payment ID to prove he paid Alice.
[2] With encrypted payment ID's the transaction will be similiar to a normal transactions.
I have to add though that I don't really know the specifics of it. But I hope this helps
Thanx dEBRUYNE !
September 05, 2015, 10:40:29 AM
Since Bob will have read through the basics of the currency that he is using as payment method, Bob will most certainly know that he can optionally expose the necessary information so that Alice (or any 3rd party) can decode the transaction.
Sidenote: I just realized that Bob and Alice are most definitely the largest Monero whales in existence!
Sidenote: I just realized that Bob and Alice are most definitely the largest Monero whales in existence!
September 05, 2015, 10:34:41 AM
XMR devs, I have two question:
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
wow you're lazy...
1) one way would be the viewkey feature
2) wut?
I'll give a more serious answer.
[1] No, Bob could, next to using the viewkey, prove on a case-by-case basis that he paid Alice. See -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12083138. In addition, he could use a payment ID to prove he paid Alice.
[2] With encrypted payment ID's the transaction will be similiar to a normal transactions.
I have to add though that I don't really know the specifics of it. But I hope this helps
September 05, 2015, 10:28:55 AM
XMR devs, I have two question:
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
wow you're lazy...
1) one way would be the viewkey feature
2) wut?
September 05, 2015, 10:25:00 AM
XMR devs, I have two question:
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
1) You claim XMR is untraceable. Does this mean that when Bob pays to Alice, Bob is unable to prove that he paid XMR to Alice?
2) Another question is how this transaction will appear on the blockchain?
September 05, 2015, 08:50:30 AM
NVIDIA Mining Software Funding
It's official - the NVIDIA miner software funding thread is up and running
https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2355/improved-nvidia-mining-software
if you want to contribute, just head to that page and click on the "contribute" button, you'll get the address and payment id.
alternatively, here is the address:
and the payment ID
and for your convenience, here's a transfer command with mixin 3 sending 200 xmr for your simplewallet
It's official - the NVIDIA miner software funding thread is up and running
https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2355/improved-nvidia-mining-software
if you want to contribute, just head to that page and click on the "contribute" button, you'll get the address and payment id.
alternatively, here is the address:
Code:
45ttEikQEZWN1m7VxaVN9rjQkpSdmpGZ82GwUps66neQ1PqbQMno4wMY8F5jiDt2GoHzCtMwa7PDPJUJYb1GYrMP4CwAwNp
and the payment ID
Code:
017ae987199a49a101758e9e4c69421ea66ad828511e1f76b14c17428f206878
and for your convenience, here's a transfer command with mixin 3 sending 200 xmr for your simplewallet
Code:
transfer 3 45ttEikQEZWN1m7VxaVN9rjQkpSdmpGZ82GwUps66neQ1PqbQMno4wMY8F5jiDt2GoHzCtMwa7PDPJUJYb1GYrMP4CwAwNp 200 017ae987199a49a101758e9e4c69421ea66ad828511e1f76b14c17428f206878
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