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sr. member
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I think we can all agree that this campaign by a few is not having the desired effect.

There was no campaign, just free minds expressing

So I guess pestering the CMC-owner to tag Dash with the outright lie of being "significantly premined" wasn't a concerted effort of the inner circle and the main devs of Monero as evidenced by the countless posts in the CMC-thread and who knows how many PMs in his direction? Yep, totally not a campaign. And the miner of Monero wasn't deliberately de-optimized, too then.

Just a free mind expressing here.
hero member
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Hello Monero community.

I've refrained from posting about this issue here, but now that I see that this bickering has caused you to lose a major investor, I've got to say my piece.

Granted, I am a Dash investor, but I am one of the more moderate posters in our community. I occasionally tweet about other coin's news, and I pride myself on having an open mind. You will not see me trolling in another coin's forum.

I hope that we can all agree that this type of behaviour is ultimately self-defeating. I have a vested interest, not only in Dash, but also in the greater crypto community. This is the same kind of thing that caused the Dogecoin dev to leave crypto, and quite frankly, makes the whole crypto community look childish at best.

Please, end this now. This has been going on for weeks, and has anyone gained? Dash is losing value slowly, and Monero is plummeting. I think we can all agree that this campaign by a few is not having the desired effect.

Is Dash perfect? Absolutely not. Is Monero perfect? Absolutely not.

Let's respect each other. Just like there is Pepsi and Coke, and Apple and Samsung, there is room for more than one crypto in the future.

Let's use our time going forward to add value to our own cryptos, rather than trying to cut each other down. No one wins that battle, everyone loses.

Maybe then, we will win back lost investors.

Tao

I agree with the self-defeating arguments. But hell this is the Internet and everyone is free to speak. If something stinks people should be allowed to say what they think. And honestly without going deeper into it. The instamine and the shortcutting of the rewards afterwards stinks very much... no matter the brilliant things your lead dev may have invented afterwards the early odor will still stick to it and people are able to tell i could go on but i dont want to rant as everything was said before. And Future will tell if it bothers investors or not.

And regarding otoh... he is rather a speculator ( even though im long ) like myself then an investor... did not see him building services for Monero nor Donating. https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/hall-of-fame
This is not the Stock Exchange where you buy a share of a Company, you just buy some Coin that either has a value in Fiat or whatever for you or not.
hero member
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I've been a large and long term holder of Monero up until this week, approx this time last year my XMR holdings were worth $60,000 and I've sold none until now, why did I decide to sell - because I took a good long look at the coin, it's development and potential as far as I could see it and decided that it was no longer something that I wished to support.

Why did I take a fresh look at it, because among other coins that I back is DASH and on the BCT DASH thread there is constant trolling by Monero fans and the dev smooth, just check how many posts he's made there today alone, dozens and dozens and dozens, why is this happening - I assume to make the thread unreadable and spread FUD, well it does this but it also creates a very poor image of crypto in general and Monero in particular, it is going out of one's way to try and antagonize everyone who sees it.

So I am no longer prepared to back a coin that has a main dev act in such a toxic way, I now no longer own any and do not plan to in the future, those remaining I wish you well with it but my decision to sell three days ago was primarily a business one, I do not see a bright future for this coin as things are atm I'm sorry to say.



 
Weeeell done mister! Cheesy
hero member
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I think we can all agree that this campaign by a few is not having the desired effect.

There was no campaign, just free minds expressing
hero member
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Expressing concern over the DASH instamine once...that is constructive participation.
Expressing concern over the DASH instamine several dozen times...that's trolling.

I don't get this argument. If it was valid the first time it's just as valid every other time. smooth's posts are respectful and informative. The issue is that the Dash criminals continue repeating the same lies, and a noob for example is unlikely to read back 500 pages to determine that for themselves.

I think smooth should continue doing what he's been doing.
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
Hello Monero community.

I've refrained from posting about this issue here, but now that I see that this bickering has caused you to lose a major investor, I've got to say my piece.

Granted, I am a Dash investor, but I am one of the more moderate posters in our community. I occasionally tweet about other coin's news, and I pride myself on having an open mind. You will not see me trolling in another coin's forum.

I hope that we can all agree that this type of behaviour is ultimately self-defeating. I have a vested interest, not only in Dash, but also in the greater crypto community. This is the same kind of thing that caused the Dogecoin dev to leave crypto, and quite frankly, makes the whole crypto community look childish at best.

Please, end this now. This has been going on for weeks, and has anyone gained? Dash is losing value slowly, and Monero is plummeting. I think we can all agree that this campaign by a few is not having the desired effect.

Is Dash perfect? Absolutely not. Is Monero perfect? Absolutely not.

Let's respect each other. Just like there is Pepsi and Coke, and Apple and Samsung, there is room for more than one crypto in the future.

Let's use our time going forward to add value to our own cryptos, rather than trying to cut each other down. No one wins that battle, everyone loses.

Maybe then, we will win back lost investors.

Tao
legendary
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I dont know why are you following DASH, it has a shady past and masternode concept is flawed. But its all about the money right? But i second you on smooth, if i were a noob i would totally be not liking Monero if a core dev is fighting on other coin threads. He is doing great service and equal damage to Monero

Honestly, here's the thing. I came into cryptoworld circa december 2014 - I was/am a noob - and this same shit was going on. And, believe it or not, smooth was doing the same thing then (I think. I don't feel like digging up posts). And I read the posts by smooth. And I read the responses by (what was then) DRK supporters. And that forum activity wasn't the only thing that influenced my decision to get interested in monero and stay away from DRK, but it didn't hurt. The fact that the conversations followed the same pattern in december (and follow the same patterns now) indicated to me where the real value was.

"trolls": This is a scam! Here's proof!

"regular" thread members : No it isn't! You're a troll!

and back and forth and back and forth, with never any substance besides "go work on your own coin". I can't believe its still going on. I can't believe some people have the patience to perform this service.
hero member
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I dont know why are you following DASH, it has a shady past and masternode concept is flawed. But its all about the money right? But i second you on smooth, if i were a noob i would totally be not liking Monero if a core dev is fighting on other coin threads. He is doing great service and equal damage to Monero
hero member
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Desperate plea



I doubt anyone takes you seriously since it sounds like you're actually proud to support the DASH scam.

"I openly support fraudulently instamined coins." -Otoh
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All I want is a new CLEAN page for just to live!
Price will up or ... ?
legendary
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I've been a large and long term holder of Monero up until this week, approx this time last year my XMR holdings were worth $60,000 and I've sold none until now, why did I decide to sell - because I took a good long look at the coin, it's development and potential as far as I could see it and decided that it was no longer something that I wished to support.

Why did I take a fresh look at it, because among other coins that I back is DASH and on the BCT DASH thread there is constant trolling by Monero fans and the dev smooth, just check how many posts he's made there today alone, dozens and dozens and dozens, why is this happening - I assume to make the thread unreadable and spread FUD, well it does this but it also creates a very poor image of crypto in general and Monero in particular, it is going out of one's way to try and antagonize everyone who sees it.

So I am no longer prepared to back a coin that has a main dev act in such a toxic way, I now no longer own any and do not plan to in the future, those remaining I wish you well with it but my decision to sell three days ago was primarily a business one, I do not see a bright future for this coin as things are atm I'm sorry to say.



 

I feel your pain. The entire dev team is behind the DASH FUD campaign. They chose smooth to carry the attack because he has nothing to lose, his reputation in this thread was lost months ago.

I like the blurred out total amount of XMR in that image. just by gauging the space of the blur, it could be up to 99k monero or more. Thanks for your effort to push the price lower. Cheap monero nom nom nom.

Your definition of trolling is askew. Smooth talks about the DASH instamine and other things about DASH. Its DASH. Other people there bring up Monero. Thats not trolling as far as I understand it.

Unfortunately I went through the posts on the DRK thread (which google still only brings up as DRK) and found only 2 posts by smooth today. Of course this depends on your definition of today... so it looks like it started on 4960, which was 24 hours ago, and there was an initial conversation... whatever... i dunno why i engaged. Oh yeah, thats right, to point out that your goal was some type of market manipulation, because you're still holding monero, even though your post above says your "no longer holding any".

buh by.

Expressing concern over the DASH instamine once...that is constructive participation.
Expressing concern over the DASH instamine several dozen times...that's trolling.
legendary
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I've been a large and long term holder of Monero up until this week, approx this time last year my XMR holdings were worth $60,000 and I've sold none until now, why did I decide to sell - because I took a good long look at the coin, it's development and potential as far as I could see it and decided that it was no longer something that I wished to support.

Why did I take a fresh look at it, because among other coins that I back is DASH and on the BCT DASH thread there is constant trolling by Monero fans and the dev smooth, just check how many posts he's made there today alone, dozens and dozens and dozens, why is this happening - I assume to make the thread unreadable and spread FUD, well it does this but it also creates a very poor image of crypto in general and Monero in particular, it is going out of one's way to try and antagonize everyone who sees it.

So I am no longer prepared to back a coin that has a main dev act in such a toxic way, I now no longer own any and do not plan to in the future, those remaining I wish you well with it but my decision to sell three days ago was primarily a business one, I do not see a bright future for this coin as things are atm I'm sorry to say.



 

I feel your pain. The entire dev team is behind the DASH FUD campaign. They chose smooth to carry the attack because he has nothing to lose, his reputation in this thread was lost months ago.

I like the blurred out total amount of XMR in that image. just by gauging the space of the blur, it could be up to 99k monero or more. Thanks for your effort to push the price lower. Cheap monero nom nom nom.

Your definition of trolling is askew. Smooth talks about the DASH instamine and other things about DASH. Its DASH. Other people there bring up Monero. Thats not trolling as far as I understand it.

Unfortunately I went through the posts on the DRK thread (which google still only brings up as DRK) and found only 2 posts by smooth today. Of course this depends on your definition of today... so it looks like it started on 4960, which was 24 hours ago, and there was an initial conversation... whatever... i dunno why i engaged. Oh yeah, thats right, to point out that your goal was some type of market manipulation, because you're still holding monero, even though your post above says your "no longer holding any".

buh by.
legendary
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itt people attempt to make sense of speculators because occam's razor of "playing a game of financial chicken and trying to pump and then dump in sync with everyone else" isn't illuminati enough
legendary
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Why did I take a fresh look at it, because among other coins that I back is DASH and on the BCT DASH thread there is constant trolling by Monero fans and the dev smooth, just check how many posts he's made there today alone, dozens and dozens and dozens, why is this happening - I assume to make the thread unreadable and spread FUD, well it does this but it also creates a very poor image of crypto in general and Monero in particular, it is going out of one's way to try and antagonize everyone who sees it.

It's quite simple. I express my opinion there. I happen to think there are a number of massively bad things going on in that project and I'm going to speak up about it. Unfortunately anti-Dash opinions are attacked and labeled as trolling (which they are not). If anything THAT attack-the-attacker mentality and the attempt to bully any and all critics until they give up and go away leaving only fanboys and promoters is what makes the thread unreadable.

Unlike here, btw, were any substantive criticism including yours is quite welcome and will be met with constructive and respectful replies (for the most part, I can't control every single participant). But I think if you are honest about it you will see an enormous difference in how the community responds to criticism. That, by the way, is one of the massively bad things that is going on with Dash.

You are entitled to your opinions though. Best of luck with Dash. You are going to need it.
legendary
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I've been a large and long term holder of Monero up until this week, approx this time last year my XMR holdings were worth $60,000 and I've sold none until now, why did I decide to sell - because I took a good long look at the coin, it's development and potential as far as I could see it and decided that it was no longer something that I wished to support.

Why did I take a fresh look at it, because among other coins that I back is DASH and on the BCT DASH thread there is constant trolling by Monero fans and the dev smooth, just check how many posts he's made there today alone, dozens and dozens and dozens, why is this happening - I assume to make the thread unreadable and spread FUD, well it does this but it also creates a very poor image of crypto in general and Monero in particular, it is going out of one's way to try and antagonize everyone who sees it.

So I am no longer prepared to back a coin that has a main dev act in such a toxic way, I now no longer own any and do not plan to in the future, those remaining I wish you well with it but my decision to sell three days ago was primarily a business one, I do not see a bright future for this coin as things are atm I'm sorry to say.



 

I feel your pain. The entire dev team is behind the DASH FUD campaign. They chose smooth to carry the attack because he has nothing to lose, his reputation in this thread was lost months ago.
sr. member
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Holyshite primer-/BCX is dumping all his XMR we better turn the project to him!! Cheesy

So now (or soon) you have less XMR than the current devs so this makes you less "incentivized" to do anything. Logic is a bitch.

btw thanks for confirming the developers are not doing this to get rich quick, I welcome my new XMRj at 0.001.

I hope it holds at 0.001..  An inpatient Chinese miner, holding over 400k xmr wants to cash out... Risto/Warz might be able to help if they put up a 300btc wall at 0.0015..

Tell him that "It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop - Confucius"
legendary
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Holyshite primer-/BCX is dumping all his XMR we better turn the project to him!! Cheesy

So now (or soon) you have less XMR than the current devs so this makes you less "incentivized" to do anything. Logic is a bitch.

btw thanks for confirming the developers are not doing this to get rich quick, I welcome my new XMRj at 0.001.

I hope it holds at 0.001..  An inpatient Chinese miner, holding over 400k xmr wants to cash out... Risto/Warz might be able to help if they put up a 300btc wall at 0.0015..
sr. member
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I've been a large and long term holder of Monero up until this week, approx this time last year my XMR holdings were worth $60,000 and I've sold none until now, why did I decide to sell - because I took a good long look at the coin, it's development and potential as far as I could see it and decided that it was no longer something that I wished to support.

Why did I take a fresh look at it, because among other coins that I back is DASH and on the BCT DASH thread there is constant trolling by Monero fans and the dev smooth, just check how many posts he's made there today alone, dozens and dozens and dozens, why is this happening - I assume to make the thread unreadable and spread FUD, well it does this but it also creates a very poor image of crypto in general and Monero in particular, it is going out of one's way to try and antagonize everyone who sees it.

Feels so good to know I dumped 40k at 0.0039 Smiley

Respect

Respect Grin thats all you'll get from me too for dumping and making a profit in your XMRs.
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You don't even care. I know for a fact all developers combined don't hold more than 100k xmr. You have no incentive to continue work on xmr so please leave and let others/my team take over...

I can say for a fact that you don't know that for a fact.

The rest of your criticism was valid in that it was opinion, but this is just made up.

As far as "your team" (assuming such a thing even exists) taking over, if there were any indication that the community wanted that we would hand it over. We work for them. Don't hold your breath.

If you have a great team and you think coin development is something worthwhile you should go and start your own coin though.

Or.. primer-'s "team" could just start doing pull-requests. He doesn't have to be maintainer of the repository to add a lot of work. And no one is going to hand him over anything without huge amounts of work already done.

Primer-, start doing pull requests, and show what your team is capable of. Otherwise you're just trolling. This is open source...
legendary
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Here we go:

Address: 42aaBurnXMRBurnBurnXMRBurnBurnXMRBurnBurnXMR13DXCDQWwCATBednqL7EKiXejT55RDHdzPC mxid66QRLMugnw2G

Viewkey: 1ac191890bc6ae9fe3a8115e83263abce1f020144ee7e5254e14efb9dcea8105

I have tested the "burn" functionality by sending a small amount to this address (it's quite a rush, give it a try Cheesy).

Here is my TX: http://www.chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/3304656a4891542b9e350762c609affba76a6de1c8c1991a81a009bf513f5bcc (take note of my payment ID Cheesy)

Now, I cannot vouch for the "auditability" of this address, though the viewkey above is certainly valid, and I promise no one will be able to spend any funds that are sent here.

I was curious to see if anyone else had burned their XMR already... sadly not Undecided only your transaction of 0.1XMR there.

Probably to verify the burn the paymentId and amount could be treated as the secret the user must use to prove they were the one to burn their XMR. Though why not just send them to [email protected] in that case? Burning FIAT is kind of illegal, it should be illegal to burn Moneros as well Tongue

Well you wouldn't be able to tell because of stealth addresses anyway, unless they copied my payment ID. And they could just do that to pretend while actually sending to themselves. It's not too difficult to prove you sent the TX, as you own the private key for it (just needs implemented).

The auditing needs implemented on the other side to verify that the burned funds are actually arriving in the account. I desire to set up a website capable of doing just this (for another purpose, but this would be a fun "extra" piece).

But yes, the feeling of pressing "send" is quite a rush; adrenaline junkies, go! Tongue

We could burn small amounts while being creative with the payment IDs, then when the auditing is set up, all the TX's could be grouped with the IDs for comedic effect. Smiley

I figured out how to selectively audit this transaction (or the 0.1 output at least), proving it went to the burn address. Pretty cool stuff. Smiley
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