Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 962. (Read 4670673 times)

Blocka can chose a coin that wasn't instamined if he doesn't like the label. Or he can stop whining about it and spare us the concern for the whole crypto-community, "but think of the children!". 

Blocka, from my perspective, dash isn't as anonymous as it claims and suffers from an instamine which is the death knell for mass acceptance. The sooner it falls the better; it's getting in the way of good technology that was fairly launched and can survive media scrutiny.

The question isn't why anyone is attacking dash as an instamine, it's why didn't the dev relaunch and avoid the label in the first place? The day dash is removed from coinmarketcaps for being an instamine is the day I stop calling it out. Until then blame your dev for his half of feeding what you claim is unrighteous indignation; if dash wasn't an instamine, there would be no instamine. And 500k in an hour is an instamine.

Thank you, Sir, nothing to say more here.

P.S. That is what i am talking about, see @smooth.
P.P.S. Happy breakfast on each other. bon appetit.

The character I'm reminded of whenever dNote uses the pronoun 'we':

His behavior can be explained by many things that have nothing to do with him being paid or insane:

1) He could be stressed/upset about things in life completely unrelated to crypto. Meanwhile, he gets online to follow his investments and all these pesky entitled Monero folks (I'm trying to have an outsider's perspective ) are always interjecting and raining on his parade, which pisses him off even more. So he already has negative feelings about the project and is determined to rationalize them by focusing on the negative.

2) We have to consider the posibility that we're wrong. He might see the situation with a clarity and perspective that we don't. It wouldn't be the first time an informed majority (we're the majority in this case) is wrong.

3) Could be a little of both. He already finds us annoying, plus our activity isn't doing anything to help his current investments, plus he doesn't find us that special (maybe we aren't).


Regardless, I don't think his points have merit.

The way said it was exactly the opposite of FUD. I was very explicit:



Interesting to hear, but unfortunately you didn't provide any. If you have something that constitutes proof of your organizational independence from Bytecoin, please let us know because I'm quite interested. Also, I would welcome proof that the original silly branding (or however you want to call it), followed by a fast mine, followed by a rebrand wasn't deliberately orchestrated to massively concentrate ownership, or that it didn't have that effect,

Seriously, I'm interested in this. As you know I'm impressed with a lot of the stuff I've seen from ducknote/darknote.

Finally, regarding what you call the game, I'm not sure we see that 'game' in exactly the same way, but in any case I don't hate the player. I'm not sure what game you are playing though.

Also, I believe those of us pointing out scams aren't doing so "to take out the competition". Those are just the coins we're most familiar with, as they're part of our niche. I'm only speaking for myself though... perhaps the others have evil(er) intentions

That may be (I actually agree), but it isn't 'investable' in the sense of buying defensible intellectual property.

You are projecting your desire to 'invest' in something that you see as innovative onto a vehicle -- buying coins -- that doesn't do what you want it to do.


Moving the technology forward to the point where that may happen, either with a particular coin, or with a successor. That or pump-and-dump speculation. There really isn't anything else that altcoins (or Bitcoin) are 'for'.

Cheers, same goes.

I wasn't referring to your crypto position.

Perhaps you see infighting in every thread you visit because you bring it with you to every thread.

I do agree that this community as a whole is so thick with scammy behaviour, perhaps us Monero folk are a bit jaded and hasty to point it out... but I do find it somewhat humorous that you're so bent on attacking one of the only fair and community-driven projects in this space. But my perspective is obviously biased.

Regardless of your intentions, I don't get the impression you're being paid to troll... which is why I wish you good fortune.

No point replying to trolls. Their goal is to waste our time and energy. Its not like they are actually interested in dialogue.

Do everyone a favour and just ignore and don't quote.

More like this rang a bell with you Kazuki and your never ending Dash FUD / Monero supporting?

like I said, I made my points...cheers

IDK, maybe wanting Crypto to succeed and seeing the worst people come out and try to destroy it / profit on the backs of others / BS / claw their way to fortune...my own crypto position is in the black thanks, but it won't be if Crypto implodes from scams / infighting, like I am seeing emanating from this community on nearly every thread I visit...why don't you fix it?

You come off as rather bitter/defensive about something. I wish you better fortune in the future.

Yes it is getting trolley now, no point arguing with Smooth, and I made my points so I will leave.

Good job I bumped in to your lead devs today committing (at least 1 case of) libel on their neighbour devs, instead of doing any tangible Monero development, and while the Monero price slides off a cliff as the market demonstrates what it thinks of Monero's main innovation in 2015 (trolling)..  Or we wouldn't have had this opportunity to talk and for me to discover the real value of Monero as a 'world changing' tech that is immune from needing any innovation whatsoever, but also needs donations to speed up development of zero innovation.

anyway, it's been fun

cheers

BF

Oh look, now ducky mad.

Ya see, this is why you just don't feed them.

This is literally what the entire point of the posting here was supposed to bring about.

Cryptocurrency is the most innovative space I have seen for a while, the whole space was a monetary innovation in the first place.  Alt coins exist to innovate better alternativess to Bitcoin which hasn't really 'chanced the world' quite yet.  I don't know what you are talking about with 'buying innovation', innovation is what users want to make their experience better (like buying something easily and without a 3rd party bank / gov watching them), equals demand & ROI & incentives for development....but when no crypto has 'changed the world' yet, without continued innovation, what is an alt coin supposed to be for exactly?

"Darknote - possibly tied to the original Bytecoin fraud, but not proven".

1. I claiming again and again and again - XDN, also known as duckNote, also known as DarkNote tied to original bytecoin ONLY by using their source code.
2. You have no proofs, but you say like that, thats a FUD.
3. I have proofs. Few of them, please, just think about that i am trying to tell:
-we (xdn dev team) developed XDN distribution model long ago before we knew about any CryptoNote
-we (xdn dev team) always were a strong believers of FAIR Proof-of-work, means for us ASICS elimination. We experimented a lot with scrypt coins and other algo, although, we were waiting for an absolute ASIC and GPU elimination. That is why when we first seen bytecoin and cryptonote, we started with XDN development.
before only my claiming, next goes facts
-approach of CN coins daemons-wallets was strange to us, but any way we strongly wanted to bring to life our libertarian coins distribution model on top of bytecoin ASIC-resistant code. Truly, anonymity was a feature, but not a goal for us, but later we understand the value of that feature. Now we are sure both anonymity and XDN libertarian distribution will bring success. So we changed distribution to be alike original Bitcoin distribution with block halving. Again because we were familiar with that and made lots of testnet experiments with scrypt and other algo coins.
-so after a fair announce and immediate launch of XDN, GUI problem appeared. And in next few weeks we made KWAG https://github.com/ducknote/kwag the very first GUI wrapper for simplewallet.
-in the middle of the last summer when our dev team was quite enough familiar with cryptonote coins approach and codebase, we started developing of Encrypted messaging cryptography. It is glued with cryptonote technology, but it is a separate feature, made by us from scratch, and we believe very important and valuable feature.
-Original DarkNote GUI, that was announced with xdn ducknote-darknote "quantum leap" made with wxWidgets. This is a C++ GUI lib, i think Monero devs are familiar with it, but it is not a QT. Early Bitcoin used wxWidgets too. But a week or so ago, bytecoin announced their GUI too, i must say i like the UI, but they have much much less features than we have in XDN GUI, and bytecoin GUI made with QT, NOT wxwidgets.
-Truly, i have lots things to say, and other dev guys too, but they chose to stay silent, and i chose not to speak to much about dev process, but when i see accusations, i must reply.

"Totally opaque process and little traction."
Wrong, again. look at http://stat.darknote.cc/, sorry and, please don`t judge, its in early early alpha, but you can see some stats about trading and  transactions volume.


"Also the launch with an absurd"

If you don`t understand the Game, you don`t play, you don`t have fun, does it means the game is absurd? So, yes, for you may be. And i still ask you. "do not concentrate on a finger."

We are (xdn dev team) making a great things, we are straight and consecutive in our steps, we are separate and independent even from each other. We communicate with XDN messaging, we make colleague decisions by voting, true democracy here. And all announcements are public at the time of decision, to avoid any insights. As you can see with XDN launch, as you can see with any our announce.

I personally do respect monero devs for their work, especially because of their web services, even being a competitor, but it is really hard to understand what made you guys so angry about XDN? So i do not know much about any other CN coins, since i can`t see features, but your behavior especially with DarkNote is discusting.
You seen the launch you seen dev process and trades, you know it is fair and have no relation with bytecoin or bytecoin devs, except of using their codebase, and still you use this angry enemy-search propaganda.

We make out stuff and we make it fair and good, if you thing i am wrong point me there.

P.S. Why i wrote it? Because i do research XDN related activity, if i see accusations i must reply.
 

If you were investing in ownership of the innovation (intellectual property) that is true. Buying a coin does not buy ownership of any intellectual property (other than the somewhat pedantic point that private keys may be a form of intellectual property), so your comment, as usual, is nonsensical.

If you want to "buy innovation" you should get the hell out of the cryptocurrency space and go buy into tech startups or other investments where you are actually buying a share of some innovative and protectable intellectual property assets.

Neither obvious nor accurate. Even if all the above were true, it would not make Monero a scam.

Keep trying.

There is only one that matters, but your logic is flawed. If cryptonote is innovative then all cryptonote coins are innovative, at least until one dominates over the others (which has happened).


It is impossible for any code-level development to be not be copyable in a public open-source environment, so your question as I believe you intend it is nonsensical. In terms of non-code-level developments, I already answered. It is impossible, or at least extremely difficult, for any other cryptonote coin to "spring up" with the strength of the Monero community.

Lest you think I'm doing some kind of reverse justification here, I was preaching the extreme importance of strength-of-community in coin development last year, before during and after Monero's creation. I'm sure someone who is motivated can find posts supporting that. It should be obvious as a coin is inherently a social phenomenon.