[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1246.

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Quote from: slapper on July 12, 2016, 12:37:12 AM

Probably orchestrated by klee and his goons. Let them play their games and fuck each other up. Just like the rest of the thread. This will be back to 225 in a week.

Yup. Totally manipulation. Pay no attention to Monero, surely it's going to go down soon...right? That GUI stuff must be a hoax.

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Probably orchestrated by klee and his goons. Let them play their games and fuck each other up. Just like the rest of the thread. This will be back to 225 in a week.

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There is like over 1300 XBT in buy orders on Poloniex. Is something going to happen when people wake up in Europe?

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Time is running out for this correction, just as volume is drying up and the 4h BBands are tightening. Primed for another move soon, so either up or shit the bed.

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Quote from: iamnotback on July 10, 2016, 01:22:17 PM

Quote from: aminorex on July 10, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

Sorry a hard fork is a hard fork. Monero is not decentralized. Some marketing buzzwords attempting to hide that fact will backfire eventually.

How about you finish the project and stop forking it. Then go create a new project with the new features you want to add.

Eventually you need to take off the training wheels, if you want the community to take it seriously as a decentralized protocol that no one can overpower. But any way, Satoshi's design doesn't really remain decentralized anyway, so I guess it is pointless. We just need to admit that none of this stuff is decentralized and we are wasting our time.

Why don't you stop posting on this forum and get back to your world-changing-crypto-diety-no-flaws-project?

You sure post a lot for someone who has an absolutely ground breaking project/invention that is going to blow the water out of all cryptocoins/projects that exist. If I had such a world changing project I wouldn't be posting until I had the project 100% complete, then gloated (if at all).

Your approach seems to be talk a lot and back it up with nothing (so far).

Please put up or shut up.

Thanks.

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Quote from: iamnotback on July 10, 2016, 01:22:17 PM

Sorry a hard fork is a hard fork. Monero is not decentralized.

From one perspective, you could say it's not decentralized unless you can launch the thing on the internet and have it exist like a virus where it's difficult to change or get rid of. From another perspective, you could say that if changes are voted on independently by miners and not forced by a central party, then it would be decentralized. It all depends on if you think Fluffypony and Gmaxwell are dictators or not that can always get their way no matter what. They obviously can't, because it's just like a regular shareholder's meeting where miners will vote them out if they're detrimental to profits.

In that manner, Bitcoin should function a lot like a normal corporation to maximize profit. Bitcoin isn't a virus, it's an automated corporation.

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Quote from: ArticMine on July 10, 2016, 05:12:02 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on July 10, 2016, 04:17:33 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 10, 2016, 04:03:01 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on July 10, 2016, 03:00:06 PM

no one aint never said that the governance is decentralized. At some point humans do stuff. Its what the humans do thats important, not the fact that they're doing stuff.

Hey trolldev, can we make the next rolling fork only create 50 mil coins this time? I think the last 100 million was too much.

I dunno if the core team would approve that. We should try though, yah know, because all the other chains rw doing it

It is not up to the core team. The community would not accept it. In any case Monero already has a history of a community takeover. Furthermore do not get me started on the Darkcoin Foundation's failed attempt to "buy" Dashcoin from its developer. As for "pulling an Ethereum" with Monero good luck trying to seize coins without breaking the subsequent transactions.

LOL, reread. Tongue

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Quote from: GingerAle on July 10, 2016, 04:17:33 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on July 10, 2016, 04:03:01 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on July 10, 2016, 03:00:06 PM

no one aint never said that the governance is decentralized. At some point humans do stuff. Its what the humans do thats important, not the fact that they're doing stuff.

Hey trolldev, can we make the next rolling fork only create 50 mil coins this time? I think the last 100 million was too much.

I dunno if the core team would approve that. We should try though, yah know, because all the other chains rw doing it

It is not up to the core team. The community would not accept it. In any case Monero already has a history of a community takeover. Furthermore do not get me started on the Darkcoin Foundation's failed attempt to "buy" Dashcoin from its developer. As for "pulling an Ethereum" with Monero good luck trying to seize coins without breaking the subsequent transactions.

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Quote from: Hueristic on July 10, 2016, 04:03:01 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on July 10, 2016, 03:00:06 PM

no one aint never said that the governance is decentralized. At some point humans do stuff. Its what the humans do thats important, not the fact that they're doing stuff.

Hey trolldev, can we make the next rolling fork only create 50 mil coins this time? I think the last 100 million was too much.

I dunno if the core team would approve that. We should try though, yah know, because all the other chains rw doing it

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Quote from: iamnotback on July 10, 2016, 01:22:17 PM

Quote from: aminorex on July 10, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

Sorry a hard fork is a hard fork. Monero is not decentralized. Some marketing buzzwords attempting to hide that fact will backfire eventually.

How about you finish the project and stop forking it. Then go create a new project with the new features you want to add.

Eventually you need to take off the training wheels, if you want the community to take it seriously as a decentralized protocol that no one can overpower. But any way, Satoshi's design doesn't really remain decentralized anyway, so I guess it is pointless. We just need to admit that none of this stuff is decentralized and we are wasting our time.

How about you actually release something or stop talking? Roll Eyes

Dude has a very confrontational and critical style. It makes him a profoundly useful gadfly. But it's very easy to get into pointless disputation, internet argument.

Ambitious people everywhere tend to bite off more than they can chew. I certainly resemble that remark.

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Quote from: GingerAle on July 10, 2016, 03:00:06 PM

no one aint never said that the governance is decentralized. At some point humans do stuff. Its what the humans do thats important, not the fact that they're doing stuff.

Hey trolldev, can we make the next rolling fork only create 50 mil coins this time? I think the last 100 million was too much.

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Hard fork has a bad stigma because to date it implies "emergency!", but Monero is changing that. These are planned rolling hard forks. Every 6 months there will be code freeze where the new changes could be implemented 7 months after that.

Example timeline(paraphrased from Fluffypony's example in the Monero Missive):

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Feb 15th: code freeze, new version is tagged and released
March 15th: 6 month countdown begins
September 15th and later: Hard fork can be activated! but ONLY if 75-80% of the blocks mined in the past week have been mined with the latest version. if not, no fork!

I like this practice. It's proactive, the community knows about it, there is consensus, the fork does not happen until there are enough nodes mining on the new version. It keeps development resilient and allows improvements/changes/features to easily be incorporated without the *panic* and fighting that we see in other crypto.

Look how difficult it is for Bitcoin to change when it needs to.

I miss the part where decentralized means "no changes, ever". If the community decides in the future that a hard fork is not wanted, they can indeed overpower the core team by not using the new version.

This podcast presents a good explanation of the reasoning behind the rolling hard forks:
https://getmonero.org/2016/06/20/monero-missive-for-the-week-of-2016-06-20.html

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Quote from: nioc on July 10, 2016, 01:26:55 PM

Quote from: aminorex on July 10, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

A rose by any other name........

Is it or is it not a rose?

aminorex, sorry I missed the distinction of "regularly scheduled".

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Quote from: iamnotback on July 10, 2016, 01:22:17 PM

Quote from: aminorex on July 10, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

Sorry a hard fork is a hard fork. Monero is not decentralized. Some marketing buzzwords attempting to hide that fact will backfire eventually.

How about you finish the project and stop forking it. Then go create a new project with the new features you want to add.

Eventually you need to take off the training wheels, if you want the community to take it seriously as a decentralized protocol that no one can overpower. But any way, Satoshi's design doesn't really remain decentralized anyway, so I guess it is pointless. We just need to admit that none of this stuff is decentralized and we are wasting our time.

no one aint never said that the governance is decentralized. At some point humans do stuff. Its what the humans do thats important, not the fact that they're doing stuff.

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Quote from: iamnotback on July 10, 2016, 01:22:17 PM

Quote from: aminorex on July 10, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

Sorry a hard fork is a hard fork. Monero is not decentralized. Some marketing buzzwords attempting to hide that fact will backfire eventually.

How about you finish the project and stop forking it. Then go create a new project with the new features you want to add.

Eventually you need to take off the training wheels, if you want the community to take it seriously as a decentralized protocol that no one can overpower. But any way, Satoshi's design doesn't really remain decentralized anyway, so I guess it is pointless. We just need to admit that none of this stuff is decentralized and we are wasting our time.

... and use proof of burn of coins in the old project to create the coins in the new project?

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Quote from: aminorex on July 10, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

A rose by any other name........

Is it or is it not a rose?

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Quote from: noobtrader on July 10, 2016, 01:01:00 PM

wow...

after bitcoin, ethereum and now Monero too want to do hardfork Huh

would be interestin i say LOL, maybe i should short this thing in case the price tanked because hardfork failed Cheesy

PS: my view are purely speculation in accordance to the thread title... Cool

Harforks are scheduled every 6 months. The first one was this past March and went fairly smoothly. The next one is scheduled sometime in September, it happens at a particular block height. RingCT requires a hardfork and may or may not be ready for the September hardfork.

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Quote from: aminorex on July 10, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

Sorry a hard fork is a hard fork. Monero is not decentralized. Some marketing buzzwords attempting to hide that fact will backfire eventually.

How about you finish the project and stop forking it. Then go create a new project with the new features you want to add.

Eventually you need to take off the training wheels, if you want the community to take it seriously as a decentralized protocol that no one can overpower. But any way, Satoshi's design doesn't really remain decentralized anyway, so I guess it is pointless. We just need to admit that none of this stuff is decentralized and we are wasting our time.

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XMR requires new terminology to distinguish the regularly scheduled fork. "Firm fork" seems inevitable.

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wow...

after bitcoin, ethereum and now Monero too want to do hardfork Huh

would be interestin i say LOL, maybe i should short this thing in case the price tanked because hardfork failed Cheesy

PS: my view are purely speculation in accordance to the thread title... Cool

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