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newbie
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May 15, 2016, 05:34:11 PM
You don't, but don't expect anyone to pay you for an unproven idea, and if they don't it doesn't mean Communism

Smooth I never expected anyone here in this thread to pay me anything. I never insinuated that. Reread the past few posts.

I was responding to MoneroMooo's implied demand for proof of my claim. Just because I don't provide proof to him, he feels that makes me fair game for him to make snide remark about me. Fine. Hopefully he will get his proof in terms of a new Dash feature announcement. We'll see. Last year I offered my Zero Knowledge Transactions to BBR (for free!), and zoid never replied. So maybe Dash won't contact me, which will prove they aren't really serious at all.

Everyone back to your regularly scheduled programming. I have work to do and will exit again.

The Communism is attacking someone's reputation when they don't provide you proof for free. Tactics. Cripes, I was just letting you all know I had discovered something. Next time why bother to alert you, when it means I will be attacked for not giving away my work for free.

MoneroMooo doesn't seem to know how to read my thread and learn a little bit about who I am. Does MoneroMooo even know what the Lambda Cube is. He belittles me because he doesn't know my capabilities. Fine. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 05:32:35 PM
I am moving too fast to worry about your need for a proof. You think I care what you think. Why would I? Are you offering me anything. Can you help me create a programming language. Can you help me code a crypto-currency. Will you pay me anything for providing a proof. No.

Monero = Communism.

That's not clear actually. There is a funding system, as with anyone, you are free to pitch your proposal.

I don't see why Monero would want to pay me to fix Dash.

Oh sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to some improvement to Monero.

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And I don't see why I owe anyone a proof. Everyone is free to ignore my claim.

You don't, but don't expect anyone to pay you for an unproven idea, and if they don't it doesn't mean Communism, in fact more the opposite. Ideas are usually worth literally nothing without the hard work of either applying them in practice or at least working through the details and writing down a precise methods for applying them in practice.


newbie
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May 15, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
I am moving too fast to worry about your need for a proof. You think I care what you think. Why would I? Are you offering me anything. Can you help me create a programming language. Can you help me code a crypto-currency. Will you pay me anything for providing a proof. No.

Monero = Communism.

That's not clear actually. There is a funding system, as with anyone, you are free to pitch your proposal.

I don't see why Monero would want to pay me to fix Dash.

And I don't see why I owe anyone a proof. Everyone is free to ignore my claim.

The personal snide insults crap turns me off. (not from you smooth, but Shen is not a person I would want to collaborate with based on my last interaction with him ... actually I had forgotten about him and this issue reminded me of the very grrrrr feelings I have about him...)

Also why would Monero pay me to provide an idea? First they would want to vet the idea before paying, but then they wouldn't need to pay for the idea.

Monero is pay some measily amounts maybe $1500 or so for many man-hours of work. I have more important priorities than that.

If Dash wanted to pay me something for the idea, and it was worth my time to explain it to them, then we'd have a no hassle deal. Otherwise, I'll just hold it close to my chest and offer it to one of my angel investors who has funded me.

The idea didn't take me very much time (although one could say it is a product of all the vast effort I put into studying). So I don't expect that much. If Dash offers me a reasonable token amount, I'll offer it to them. My angel investor gets it for free (and he is a prolific coder in crypto), because I owe him results which have been slow to come to fruition.
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 05:09:31 PM
I am moving too fast to worry about your need for a proof. You think I care what you think. Why would I? Are you offering me anything. Can you help me create a programming language. Can you help me code a crypto-currency. Will you pay me anything for providing a proof. No.

Monero = Communism.

That's not clear actually. There is a funding system, as with anyone, you are free to pitch your proposal.
newbie
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May 15, 2016, 04:43:36 PM
As for equating copyleft software licensing with communism, nothing can be further from the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b17ggwkR60#t=675 (make sure you listen to 14:15 and learn something about how anti-productive your attitude is)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43baAbAZhFM ("marketing...")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGnbw1QF1e8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ZyX5sN2NA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw58LZTuZjA (Linus thinks you are clinically insane)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b17ggwkR60#t=561
legendary
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Monero Core Team
May 15, 2016, 04:22:34 PM
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ArticMine it is pitiful that you are a Copy-leftist, who believes in viral licenses and forcing free software. You Communist. As Eric Raymond says, "stop all the oppressive licenses and use permissive licences. You are scaring the fuck out of the corporate world, and not without their justified reason to be scared". I prefer the Unlicense. You kill open source with that Richard Stallman Communism, because then for-profits are scared to use open source.

I deleted the post. On the subject of copyleft I remain a strong supporter of strong copyleft software licenses.

As for equating copyleft software licensing with communism, nothing can be further from the truth. In fact copyleft software licensing particularly the GPL v3 and AGPL v3 can be a very powerful weapon against the very kind of censorship that was prevalent in say the Soviet Union of the 1950's and still is in prevalent in China today.  What difference is there if one's ideas or entrepreneurship is censored by the Soviet Politburo or the Apple iTunes Censor Board. It is still censored and a significant percentage of the world's population is denied access to the ideas or the entrepreneurship. In some cases both types of censorship work together as when Apple used its DRM to censor the teachings of the Dalai Lama at the behest of the Communist Government of China. http://www.pcworld.com/article/185604/article.html This by the way is the very same DRM that Apple currently uses to censor the Monero project, and Apple used to censor Bitcoin from 2009 - 2014.  Furthermore Apple used the same DRM again to frustrate a perfectly legitimate anti-terrorism investigation, until the FBI found a third party who could crack the DRM.

Monero doesn't use any copyleft licenses and doesn't have any plans to so it is kind of off topic.


On the surface this of course is true; however if one digs deeper one finds that strong copyleft licenses such as the the GPL v3 and AGPL v3 are critical in frustrating and preventing the kind of DRM that when combined a proprietary operating system can easily break the fungibility and privacy of Monero for the majority of users. If the Operating system is compromised all the secret keys are available to the DRM / proprietary software overlord regardless of how many mixins one uses.

Here are some sobering thoughts. One company Microsoft controls, over 90% of all computer operating systems in the world. This same company is moving towards locked bootloaders, has highly invasive DRM built right into its proprietary operating system and is also a founding member of the PRISM program. A second company, Apple, controls over 7% of the remaining computer operating systems. this company is also a member of the PRISM program and has already censored content at the behest of totalitarian governments. This leaves under 2% of all computers in the world under the actual control of their users. The latter run operating systems that are dominated by strong copyleft software licenses.

If Microsoft and Apple are scared of copyleft that is a very good thing in order to preserve freedom.  
 
Edit 1: sockpuppet1: Apology accepted, thanks

Edit 2: This is very positive. Microsoft may have already blinked by letting the GNU (GPL v3) into the heart of Windows. https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2016/03/30/run-bash-on-ubuntu-on-windows/

Edit 3

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Monero = Communism.

Nothing is further from the truth.

As for: Proprietary Software and DRM = Communism, that is not true either. Proprietary Software and DRM offer most the disadvantages of Communism with none of its benefits.
newbie
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May 15, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
The key breakthrough is to remove the simultaneity requirement (lol, I am the one who fixes Gregory Maxwell's broken CoinJoin in 10 minutes of my spare time while my head is deep in designing a programming language)

And, sadly, the margin of this forum is too small to include the proof.

Should you one day find a margin large enough to contain substantial reviewable work in your lengthy tribulations through the Internet, give us a shout.

Enjoy your snobbery (just like your xerox copies Shen-noether and Gmaxwell). It won't help you. You only make me hate Monero more when you do that.

I am moving too fast to worry about your need for a proof. You think I care what you think. Why would I? Are you offering me anything. Can you help me create a programming language. Can you help me code a crypto-currency. Will you pay me anything for providing a proof. No.

Monero = Communism.
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 04:09:55 PM
The key breakthrough is to remove the simultaneity requirement (lol, I am the one who fixes Gregory Maxwell's broken CoinJoin in 10 minutes of my spare time while my head is deep in designing a programming language)

And, sadly, the margin of this forum is too small to include the proof.

Should you one day find a margin large enough to contain substantial reviewable work in your lengthy tribulations through the Internet, give us a shout.
newbie
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May 15, 2016, 03:33:25 PM

wow... this is new development    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin  

im preparing popcorn now... LOL   Cheesy

... and the post has now being removed. Frankly fixing Darksend could be worth a lot of money so no hard feelings towards TPTB_need_war for trying. If TPTB_need_war actually has a solution, I am sure the Dash community will pay him for it and it will be money well earned. Does the Monero community have to be concerned about all of this. I doubt it.

All mixing that is active requires, obviously, activity. If you don't get activity up you won't ever significantly increase transaction speed of CoinJoin / DarkSend transactions. Fortunately, Monero mixes passively and therefore doesn't require activity of other participants on the network.

Actually there is only an activity threshold above which offchain mixing can be just as fast as onchain. Actually to do ring mixing correctly so that rings never can overlap in ways that allow combinatorial unmasking, Monero should require activity, but I was apparently never able to get Shen-Noether to understand this during our Reddit discussions last year (because he is a condescending prick in the same mold as Gregory Maxwell who thinks he is too smart, actually they appear to hobknob together sometimes), so afaik Monero remains "broken" (suboptimal). The advantage of adopting my idea for preventing combinatorial unmasking, is it would also make the block chain entirely prunable, not just compressable (which afaik is what Monero and BBR erroneously label "pruning").

The key breakthrough is to remove the simultaneity requirement (lol, I am the one who fixes Gregory Maxwell's broken CoinJoin in 10 minutes of my spare time while my head is deep in designing a programming language), and on further thought I've decided I want to embarrass noobtrader (to show my appreciation for his disrepect) so I went ahead and I think figured out how to eliminate the simultaneity requirement in CoinJoin! I figured out how to eliminate the short-term trust aspect! Another advantage is it can radically improve the robustness of decentralized exchange as well.

It will reduce the block chain size considerably. I also see how to put a viewkey in it. And the mix anonymity sets can be huge, say 50 or 100 transactions per mix (or more!). The disadvantage is the masternode can see the correlation of inputs to outputs. But just like any mixing method, if mix over and over, the probability of your anonymity set being known to any one party diminishes in probability.

You'd still need stealth addresses to achieve the delinking from the recipient's public key.

Another potential advantage may be that this technique I've just invented gives you IP address obfuscation inherently, which is one of the big weakness of Monero. Monero adds I2P integration to attempt to overcome this weakness.

My apologies to ArticMine. I am rushing so much, that I mistakenly (cross-eyed) attributed the above quoted disrespect to him.

Edit: my discovery for offchain mixing (fixing CoinJoin) to remove the simultaneity requirement, is essentially something like a ring signature, but the signers don't need to include the other signers in their signature. The ring is formed by the masternode. It is quite clever. I don't know why I didn't think of it before! The reason Gmaxwell didn't think of this, is it because it requires the knowledge I did for the fixing the atomic DE protocol of TierNolan. The insight comes from the work I did there.
legendary
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Monero Core Team
May 15, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
The price is slowly sliding down as I thought it would be doing.
It goes down approximately 10 % per month.
If it continues on the same track, you are making money if you are able to borrow Moneros for lower rate and short it.


Trendon Shavers aka pirateat40 tried that with Bitcoin in 2011, when Bitcoin was falling at the rate of 8% a week, by offering 7% a week. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.605957. Of course this did not end well for Mr Shavers. http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/plea-deal-reached-in-trendon-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme/.

What is interesting is who actually benefited from all of this. First hindsight has indicated that November 3, 2011 was a great entry point into the Bitcoin market. Sure the price of one Bitcoin did drop from 3.3 USD to just under 2 USD https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg60zigHourlyzczsg2011-11-01zeg2011-12-01ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv so pirateat40 did enjoy some short term profits. Then the market turned and pirateat40 tried to suppress the Bitcoin price until August 2012 with his ponzi. The ponzi collapsed but those who bought Bitcoin at depressed prices in late 2011 and 2012, took delivery and held, all perfectly legal, reaped the profits.
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
The price is slowly sliding down as I thought it would be doing.
It goes down approximately 10 % per month.
If it continues on the same track, you are making money if you are able to borrow Moneros for lower rate and short it.


That seems a bit risky even though I lost a bundle on the slide from $1.20 to $.85.

If a bug pops up in ethereum or the doa it's pretty obvious monero is used as a hedge and it's size is a mud puddle next to a lake with a dam ...

The further the months of January-February-March-April are the less unlikely it is to trade above 0.002.
In the beginning of the year the optimism is at its peak and the community has a renewed hope to finally get officially recognized GUI. The longer the year goes, the less unlikely it is a GUI will be ready this year. Rinse and repeat.  Grin
newbie
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May 15, 2016, 01:53:57 PM
I was thinking earlier about the legal system vs crypto.  Does anyone think user defined mixing will be a weakpoint of Monero in the legal department?  As in, a fixed mixed count would have been preferable if attempting to design around the law when user defined is pretty similar to active mixing.

It seems kind of obvious that governments would be far more likely to consider active mixing as an act of laundering (darkcoin), while if anonymity is part of the protocol itself, it's just a shortcoming of government auditing.  Both Monero and Zcash are safer legal-wise (than Darkcoin), although you would likely have to enforce a fixed mix count instead of variable if you really wanted to be safe in Monero.  

I believe perhaps the global elite will kill off any system which doesn't mandate a viewkey on each mixed transaction, wherein some elected foundation or body is given responsibility for whom has the private key(s) to the viewkey. Better perhaps a multisig viewkey would be best where these would be given to multiple authorities (e.g. each of the major powers or regions national security agencies), and then a quorum of them would have to agree in order to view a transaction.

Thus I think the level of mixing (above 0) is irrelevant.

I just don't believe you snub the global elite and expect to not get your ass wiped in the mud.

I had hoped for an absolute technological immunity, but I studied all the technology deeply and I am very, very confident to tell you that it is impossible. The global elite will remain in control of the Iron Law of Political Economics.

Mass privacy is very important and Monero should stop being delusional and realize how they have to structure their system in order to be accepted.

I guess they might just attack the users and catch them at the on/off ramps and destroy interest in coins that obscure the blockchain from the authorities.



How can a user living in a country where use of cryptocurrencies are unregulated be controlled?

There will exist no such place. Name one. Just one.

Moreover, the protocol is controlled by the Chinese mining cartel, so all the regulation can be done from China. Your coins can be confiscated China regulates their ASIC mining farms. If Monero scales up, it will also be captured by the Chinese cartel.

With the rise of decentralized exchanges, controlling all on and off ramps seems impossible. Some countries may choose to be welcoming instead of hostile.

The Internet will be regulated. China is the model. They will assume the throne of the financial capital of the world in 2033.

You can waste your time disbelieving (and end up in jail and/or all you wealth confiscated). Meanwhile I will get my ducks aligned so I am congruent with the reality.
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 12:29:05 PM
The price is slowly sliding down as I thought it would be doing.
It goes down approximately 10 % per month.
If it continues on the same track, you are making money if you are able to borrow Moneros for lower rate and short it.


That seems a bit risky even though I lost a bundle on the slide from $1.20 to $.85.

If a bug pops up in ethereum or the doa it's pretty obvious monero is used as a hedge and it's size is a mud puddle next to a lake with a dam ...
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
The price is slowly sliding down as I thought it would be doing.
It goes down approximately 10 % per month.
If it continues on the same track, you are making money if you are able to borrow Moneros for lower rate and short it.
legendary
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Merit: 1008
May 15, 2016, 11:07:08 AM
I don't know the legal side of things, but in terms of the current protocol, the default fixed mixin count is the current implementation.

I.e., if you type

transfer [email protected] 500 1

it will send me 500 1 xmr with a mixin (or ring size) of 3
.... and nowhere in the command is there a 3 specified.

Let me test that.
Code:
transfer [email protected] 1

For URL: [email protected], WARNING: DNSSEC validation was unsuccessful, this address may not be correct!

Monero Address = 46aRPgXEgqf23G2VU5fy4oeKBGpU6uXSv57CkXKrz4EbDwDeh573QQhZYeyjriWAMUhNoBHMUwkGV2A2ppWwAx4JT9HNJ9h

Is this OK? (Y/n) y

Money successfully sent, transaction

Wow, how does that work (the sending to your 'email' part)? Pretty cool!


Edit, the default 'mixin' is 4 by the way (when / will we be changing that incorrect term?)
http://moneroblocks.info/search/aabb4052eec0b2097246c2bd4ff2d5421a1ffdb086bbe42d7318500db22280b4

the magic of openalias, brought to you by the monero developers, even though it can be used by any cryptocurrency.

https://openalias.org/

there are some services in the community to get your own alias, though you can do it yourself if you have your own domain name, or if you feel like using one of the available domains on afraid.org
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 10:57:52 AM

Edit, the default 'mixin' is 4 by the way (when / will we be changing that incorrect term?)
http://moneroblocks.info/search/aabb4052eec0b2097246c2bd4ff2d5421a1ffdb086bbe42d7318500db22280b4

Let me guess, you sent it from MyMonero?

No, CLI (Windows simplewallet). Why?

Because the mixin default is higher on MyMonero. Then again the messages you received when sending looks like simple wallet.

I believe the next hardfork will increase the mixin default.
legendary
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Flippin' burgers since 1163.
May 15, 2016, 10:44:44 AM

Edit, the default 'mixin' is 4 by the way (when / will we be changing that incorrect term?)
http://moneroblocks.info/search/aabb4052eec0b2097246c2bd4ff2d5421a1ffdb086bbe42d7318500db22280b4

Let me guess, you sent it from MyMonero?

No, CLI (Windows simplewallet). Why?
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1008
May 15, 2016, 10:36:40 AM
And soon confidential transactions will also be protocol-level....

There were just 4 RingCT commits from our resident coding cow.
legendary
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May 15, 2016, 10:34:30 AM

Edit, the default 'mixin' is 4 by the way (when / will we be changing that incorrect term?)
http://moneroblocks.info/search/aabb4052eec0b2097246c2bd4ff2d5421a1ffdb086bbe42d7318500db22280b4

Let me guess, you sent it from MyMonero?
legendary
Activity: 2242
Merit: 3523
Flippin' burgers since 1163.
May 15, 2016, 10:14:26 AM
I don't know the legal side of things, but in terms of the current protocol, the default fixed mixin count is the current implementation.

I.e., if you type

transfer [email protected] 500 1

it will send me 500 1 xmr with a mixin (or ring size) of 3
.... and nowhere in the command is there a 3 specified.

Let me test that.
Code:
transfer [email protected] 1

For URL: [email protected], WARNING: DNSSEC validation was unsuccessful, this address may not be correct!

Monero Address = 46aRPgXEgqf23G2VU5fy4oeKBGpU6uXSv57CkXKrz4EbDwDeh573QQhZYeyjriWAMUhNoBHMUwkGV2A2ppWwAx4JT9HNJ9h

Is this OK? (Y/n) y

Money successfully sent, transaction

Wow, how does that work (the sending to your 'email' part)? Pretty cool!


Edit, the default 'mixin' is 4 by the way (when / will we be changing that incorrect term?)
http://moneroblocks.info/search/aabb4052eec0b2097246c2bd4ff2d5421a1ffdb086bbe42d7318500db22280b4
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