[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1593.

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Quote from: smooth on January 10, 2016, 02:34:28 AM

Quote from: bitebits on January 09, 2016, 09:34:17 AM

Quote from: smooth on December 31, 2015, 03:00:21 PM

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I have started my node again and am solo mining. Instead of using both cores I am now mining with only one. The second core doesn't increase the HR by 100% but only 30% and using one core enables me to do anything else I want with my supercomputer while getting 25 H/s.

That is perfect. Or even part time (just mine when you aren't using the computer). Every little bit helps. Also, ask your friends to do the same.

I installed version 0.9 and downloaded the blockchain from scratch. Absolutely amazed how quickly it synced (overnight), and only uses ~70 mb of RAM. Amazing job!

About the solo mining you are encouraging. Do I actually make a valuable contribution to the network when I only have 12 MH/s and 8+0 connections (I can't map a port since I do not have access to the router. So I assume I am not a full node).

You are a absolutely a full node.

No question that 12 H/s is very low, but every bit helps. But if your computer is horribly inefficient (e.g. no AESNI) then I wouldn't really encourage it, because it is just wasteful. Better that you help support Monero in other ways.

Quote from: GingerAle on January 09, 2016, 09:52:21 AM

As I understand it, the only thing you can't do as your ports closed is allow other nodes to download the blockchain - you can still broadcast new blocks you find to the network.

Even that you can do, if the other node opens its port and yours connects to it. Once the connection is established it works the same regardless of who had the open port.

Thanks for the answers. I actually realize that I am mining with ~75 H/s and the net hash (of the total network?) is 10.12 MH/s.

Regarding the full node, it seems that currently I am not uploading any data (which seems to be indicated with the 8+0 connections).
Do I actively need to change a setting to be able to connect to another node that opens it's port?

Today I will try to setup a full (~~not~~ mining) node using a VPS to support the Monero network. I am not a programmer but I would at least try to contribute something to this great Monero project.

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Quote from: bitebits on January 09, 2016, 09:34:17 AM

Quote from: smooth on December 31, 2015, 03:00:21 PM

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I have started my node again and am solo mining. Instead of using both cores I am now mining with only one. The second core doesn't increase the HR by 100% but only 30% and using one core enables me to do anything else I want with my supercomputer while getting 25 H/s.

That is perfect. Or even part time (just mine when you aren't using the computer). Every little bit helps. Also, ask your friends to do the same.

I installed version 0.9 and downloaded the blockchain from scratch. Absolutely amazed how quickly it synced (overnight), and only uses ~70 mb of RAM. Amazing job!

About the solo mining you are encouraging. Do I actually make a valuable contribution to the network when I only have 12 MH/s and 8+0 connections (I can't map a port since I do not have access to the router. So I assume I am not a full node).

You are a absolutely a full node.

No question that 12 H/s is very low, but every bit helps. But if your computer is horribly inefficient (e.g. no AESNI) then I wouldn't really encourage it, because it is just wasteful. Better that you help support Monero in other ways.

Quote from: GingerAle on January 09, 2016, 09:52:21 AM

As I understand it, the only thing you can't do as your ports closed is allow other nodes to download the blockchain - you can still broadcast new blocks you find to the network.

Even that you can do, if the other node opens its port and yours connects to it. Once the connection is established it works the same regardless of who had the open port.

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Quote from: kazuki49 on January 09, 2016, 01:47:04 PM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on January 09, 2016, 06:45:50 AM

Quote from: papa_lazzarou on January 08, 2016, 07:32:41 PM

Just to let you guys know. moneroblocks.eu is gone. moneroblocks.info is coming.

I forgot to renew the domain and GoDaddy "forgot" to warn me before hand so that they could try to extort an outrageous "Redemption Fee".

So that's that.

Seems like Moneroblocks.info is up and running. Moneroblocks.info replaces Moneroblocks.eu.

Thanks for this service, it makes a lot easier explaining Monero, specially if you compare with blockchain.info

.info seems more universal than .eu anyway. Thank you for maintaining the block explorer

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on January 09, 2016, 06:45:50 AM

Quote from: papa_lazzarou on January 08, 2016, 07:32:41 PM

Just to let you guys know. moneroblocks.eu is gone. moneroblocks.info is coming.

I forgot to renew the domain and GoDaddy "forgot" to warn me before hand so that they could try to extort an outrageous "Redemption Fee".

So that's that.

Seems like Moneroblocks.info is up and running. Moneroblocks.info replaces Moneroblocks.eu.

Thanks for this service, it makes a lot easier explaining Monero, specially if you compare with blockchain.info

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Quote from: GingerAle on January 09, 2016, 06:58:43 AM

Indeed - if you listened to the fast talking podcast (uncensored bitcoin) where fluffypony went on, it seems one of the hosts primary concerns was the lack of security in the monero network due to both the hashrate and the nodecount.

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/chris-derose-2/bitcoin-uncensored/e/e20-christmas-poo-122215-41741333

it starts at just about the 1 hour mark.

1:18:00 to be more precise. Interesting talk btw (except for the fact that the interviewers don't take the time to listen to the actual answer of their question by Fluffy Pony), thanks for sharing the link.

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Quote from: bitebits on January 09, 2016, 09:34:17 AM

Quote from: smooth on December 31, 2015, 03:00:21 PM

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I have started my node again and am solo mining. Instead of using both cores I am now mining with only one. The second core doesn't increase the HR by 100% but only 30% and using one core enables me to do anything else I want with my supercomputer while getting 25 H/s.

That is perfect. Or even part time (just mine when you aren't using the computer). Every little bit helps. Also, ask your friends to do the same.

I installed version 0.9 and downloaded the blockchain from scratch. Absolutely amazed how quickly it synced (overnight), and only uses ~70 mb of RAM. Amazing job!

About the solo mining you are encouraging. Do I actually make a valuable contribution to the network when I only have 12 MH/s and 8+0 connections (I can't map a port since I do not have access to the router. So I assume I am not a full node).

I would argue that yes you are. You are mining blocks on a standalone copy of the blockchain, so you are independently validating the network. As I understand it, the only thing you can't do as your ports closed is allow other nodes to download the blockchain - you can still broadcast new blocks you find to the network.

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Is the case of Monero being introduced to any Venture Capitalists out there? Monero are about to be in the point when the Venture Capitalists who are into tech are getting into the technology.
I think it is important to not leave anyone behind Monero and bring Monero to as many bags are possible and make more people the disciples and bagholders of Monero.

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Quote from: smooth on December 31, 2015, 03:00:21 PM

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I have started my node again and am solo mining. Instead of using both cores I am now mining with only one. The second core doesn't increase the HR by 100% but only 30% and using one core enables me to do anything else I want with my supercomputer while getting 25 H/s.

That is perfect. Or even part time (just mine when you aren't using the computer). Every little bit helps. Also, ask your friends to do the same.

I installed version 0.9 and downloaded the blockchain from scratch. Absolutely amazed how quickly it synced (overnight), and only uses ~70 mb of RAM. Amazing job!

About the solo mining you are encouraging. Do I actually make a valuable contribution to the network when I only have 12 MH/s and 8+0 connections (I can't map a port since I do not have access to the router. So I assume I am not a full node).

GingerAle

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on January 09, 2016, 06:43:23 AM

Quote from: RAJSALLIN on January 09, 2016, 04:25:46 AM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 07:35:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 03:18:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 02:41:23 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 07, 2016, 11:17:49 PM

I'm selling custom built miners. Or I can build them and run them in my basement for a fee. Or you can just send me monero and I'll keep mining monero. Something with mining. I know of at least 2 individuals that have hardware that they have silent because their electricity costs are too high and/or they can't find a place to house their stuff.

and eventually I'll have this monerodo device done which I'll be selling for monero, obviously. Now I'm debating if I should have the software update via github pull / compile or just download "official" binaries. Thoughts? I could also just have it checkout some version... though I've found it a pain to un-checkout things, or go back to head or whatever.

oh yeah. I speculate bananas.

Just curious, what's the cost of the miners you are building, and how are they different from say, your average mining computer?

honestly all I would be doing is building a computer with as many GPUs as can fit on the board. The most PCI slots available on a mobo these days is 6 or 7. The trick to building these things is finding a case to put them in with proper airflow, but thats ultimately what you'd be paying me to do. And then making the mining software work and the pool software (so you could mine on your own node and get ALL OF THE BLOCK). Otherwise you could just throw one together yourself.

Don't quote me, but I think I could sell a 1.6 kh/s rig for $1200.

edited to add: which after 1 year (or whenever your done) you could then pull apart and sell the GPUs on ebay for probably 70%.

I get what your saying, but I'm still really technically incapable of understanding how a "rig" work...

Do you simply download the node on the same computer I'm using, and maybe connect the rig using usb or something which you set the rig to start mining? Is being able to use Linux a necessary skill in order to start running rigs like these?

To clarify, I would have to ship a fully built computer to you. U would then plug in power and an Ethernet cable (to connect it to your home router). And then watch the monero and electricity roll in.

I speculate

Or you could just take those $1200 and buy Monero at this price and speculate on it being a better investment. It would certainly be easier.

Certainly, but mining supports the network and therefore makes Monero safer, which arguably also contributes to its value.

Indeed - if you listened to the fast talking podcast (uncensored bitcoin) where fluffypony went on, it seems one of the hosts primary concerns was the lack of security in the monero network due to both the hashrate and the nodecount.

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/chris-derose-2/bitcoin-uncensored/e/e20-christmas-poo-122215-41741333

it starts at just about the 1 hour mark.

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Quote from: papa_lazzarou on January 08, 2016, 07:32:41 PM

Just to let you guys know. moneroblocks.eu is gone. moneroblocks.info is coming.

I forgot to renew the domain and GoDaddy "forgot" to warn me before hand so that they could try to extort an outrageous "Redemption Fee".

So that's that.

Seems like Moneroblocks.info is up and running. Moneroblocks.info replaces Moneroblocks.eu.

dEBRUYNE

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If anyone was wondering which loose ends will be tied up with CT:

http://weuse.cash/2016/01/09/tying-up-loose-ends-with-ringct/

credits to dnaleor!

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Quote from: RAJSALLIN on January 09, 2016, 04:25:46 AM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 07:35:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 03:18:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 02:41:23 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 07, 2016, 11:17:49 PM

I'm selling custom built miners. Or I can build them and run them in my basement for a fee. Or you can just send me monero and I'll keep mining monero. Something with mining. I know of at least 2 individuals that have hardware that they have silent because their electricity costs are too high and/or they can't find a place to house their stuff.

and eventually I'll have this monerodo device done which I'll be selling for monero, obviously. Now I'm debating if I should have the software update via github pull / compile or just download "official" binaries. Thoughts? I could also just have it checkout some version... though I've found it a pain to un-checkout things, or go back to head or whatever.

oh yeah. I speculate bananas.

Just curious, what's the cost of the miners you are building, and how are they different from say, your average mining computer?

honestly all I would be doing is building a computer with as many GPUs as can fit on the board. The most PCI slots available on a mobo these days is 6 or 7. The trick to building these things is finding a case to put them in with proper airflow, but thats ultimately what you'd be paying me to do. And then making the mining software work and the pool software (so you could mine on your own node and get ALL OF THE BLOCK). Otherwise you could just throw one together yourself.

Don't quote me, but I think I could sell a 1.6 kh/s rig for $1200.

edited to add: which after 1 year (or whenever your done) you could then pull apart and sell the GPUs on ebay for probably 70%.

I get what your saying, but I'm still really technically incapable of understanding how a "rig" work...

Do you simply download the node on the same computer I'm using, and maybe connect the rig using usb or something which you set the rig to start mining? Is being able to use Linux a necessary skill in order to start running rigs like these?

To clarify, I would have to ship a fully built computer to you. U would then plug in power and an Ethernet cable (to connect it to your home router). And then watch the monero and electricity roll in.

I speculate

Or you could just take those $1200 and buy Monero at this price and speculate on it being a better investment. It would certainly be easier.

Certainly, but mining supports the network and therefore makes Monero safer, which arguably also contributes to its value.

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Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 07:35:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 03:18:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 02:41:23 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 07, 2016, 11:17:49 PM

I'm selling custom built miners. Or I can build them and run them in my basement for a fee. Or you can just send me monero and I'll keep mining monero. Something with mining. I know of at least 2 individuals that have hardware that they have silent because their electricity costs are too high and/or they can't find a place to house their stuff.

and eventually I'll have this monerodo device done which I'll be selling for monero, obviously. Now I'm debating if I should have the software update via github pull / compile or just download "official" binaries. Thoughts? I could also just have it checkout some version... though I've found it a pain to un-checkout things, or go back to head or whatever.

oh yeah. I speculate bananas.

Just curious, what's the cost of the miners you are building, and how are they different from say, your average mining computer?

honestly all I would be doing is building a computer with as many GPUs as can fit on the board. The most PCI slots available on a mobo these days is 6 or 7. The trick to building these things is finding a case to put them in with proper airflow, but thats ultimately what you'd be paying me to do. And then making the mining software work and the pool software (so you could mine on your own node and get ALL OF THE BLOCK). Otherwise you could just throw one together yourself.

Don't quote me, but I think I could sell a 1.6 kh/s rig for $1200.

edited to add: which after 1 year (or whenever your done) you could then pull apart and sell the GPUs on ebay for probably 70%.

I get what your saying, but I'm still really technically incapable of understanding how a "rig" work...

Do you simply download the node on the same computer I'm using, and maybe connect the rig using usb or something which you set the rig to start mining? Is being able to use Linux a necessary skill in order to start running rigs like these?

To clarify, I would have to ship a fully built computer to you. U would then plug in power and an Ethernet cable (to connect it to your home router). And then watch the monero and electricity roll in.

I speculate

Or you could just take those $1200 and buy Monero at this price and speculate on it being a better investment. It would certainly be easier.

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Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 07:35:14 PM

I speculate

Bananas!

You still have the "DLOAD WIN64 0.9 BETA" link in your signature.

GingerAle

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Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 03:18:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 02:41:23 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 07, 2016, 11:17:49 PM

I'm selling custom built miners. Or I can build them and run them in my basement for a fee. Or you can just send me monero and I'll keep mining monero. Something with mining. I know of at least 2 individuals that have hardware that they have silent because their electricity costs are too high and/or they can't find a place to house their stuff.

and eventually I'll have this monerodo device done which I'll be selling for monero, obviously. Now I'm debating if I should have the software update via github pull / compile or just download "official" binaries. Thoughts? I could also just have it checkout some version... though I've found it a pain to un-checkout things, or go back to head or whatever.

oh yeah. I speculate bananas.

Just curious, what's the cost of the miners you are building, and how are they different from say, your average mining computer?

honestly all I would be doing is building a computer with as many GPUs as can fit on the board. The most PCI slots available on a mobo these days is 6 or 7. The trick to building these things is finding a case to put them in with proper airflow, but thats ultimately what you'd be paying me to do. And then making the mining software work and the pool software (so you could mine on your own node and get ALL OF THE BLOCK). Otherwise you could just throw one together yourself.

Don't quote me, but I think I could sell a 1.6 kh/s rig for $1200.

edited to add: which after 1 year (or whenever your done) you could then pull apart and sell the GPUs on ebay for probably 70%.

I get what your saying, but I'm still really technically incapable of understanding how a "rig" work...

Do you simply download the node on the same computer I'm using, and maybe connect the rig using usb or something which you set the rig to start mining? Is being able to use Linux a necessary skill in order to start running rigs like these?

To clarify, I would have to ship a fully built computer to you. U would then plug in power and an Ethernet cable (to connect it to your home router). And then watch the monero and electricity roll in.

I speculate

smooth

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Quote from: primer- on January 08, 2016, 06:04:03 PM

904135   57 to go   804096240   c52cf1cd34742dd04df9d4b65d08a16c194ec005cc10dcecbe445c6cf9d32f9b   1/8/2016, 11:56:03 PM   99%
904134   56 to go   804638844   4347790f0898c1a1bc4acf08017ff85961c9315ea8e2f85130f5d33946da0009   1/8/2016, 11:55:38 PM   97%
904132   54 to go   806054613   e19c89ec8f2e54fad785b3fdda6318c016c7a8eba1e8e4548b5a2e3409305b1d   1/8/2016, 11:53:55 PM   99%
904131   53 to go   806025876   c60e6fa1b34d9e2c2111f32461e731017f2f4fce6c000595ce0d3f0f031685bc   1/8/2016, 11:53:32 PM   -53%

Almost 4 consecutive blocks in a row with less than 300kh/s, how is this even possible, probability is like 0.00051% ...

I count 3 fast blocks not 4.

I'm not going to work out the combinatorics and probability, but it just isn't a big deal. Wait long enough and all sorts of "strange" patterns emerge.

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904135   57 to go   804096240   c52cf1cd34742dd04df9d4b65d08a16c194ec005cc10dcecbe445c6cf9d32f9b   1/8/2016, 11:56:03 PM   99%
904134   56 to go   804638844   4347790f0898c1a1bc4acf08017ff85961c9315ea8e2f85130f5d33946da0009   1/8/2016, 11:55:38 PM   97%
904132   54 to go   806054613   e19c89ec8f2e54fad785b3fdda6318c016c7a8eba1e8e4548b5a2e3409305b1d   1/8/2016, 11:53:55 PM   99%
904131   53 to go   806025876   c60e6fa1b34d9e2c2111f32461e731017f2f4fce6c000595ce0d3f0f031685bc   1/8/2016, 11:53:32 PM   -53%

Almost 4 consecutive blocks in a row with less than 300kh/s, how is this even possible, probability is like 0.00051% ...

smooth

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Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 05:39:18 PM

Ok... Sorry for all the questions, but figured I might as well ask them while we are on a roll.

Now, as for the problems bitcoin is having where the centralization is inevitably occurring with mining farms going on steroids and taking over a good majority of the hashing power... is this monero's fate too if XMR starts to become more mainstream and gains in popularity/price? Or are you (smooth) still working on smart mining capabilities which balances this out a little bit?

Nobody knows what the future holds. It is a decent bet that if we do everything exactly the same as Bitcoin we will have the same outcome (except always being 5 years behind in maturity and adoption which makes this a bad plan). Trying different things has a possibility to result in a different outcome.

But yes smartmining is still planned. GingerAle made an interesting observation on reddit, that a normal CPU is about the same percentage of Monero's hash rate as an AntMiner S7 is on Bitcoin. The difference, of course, is that you don't have to shell out 1250 USD for one, you just have to run a program.

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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend

Ok... Sorry for all the questions, but figured I might as well ask them while we are on a roll.

Now, as for the problems bitcoin is having where the centralization is inevitably occurring with mining farms going on steroids and taking over a good majority of the hashing power... is this monero's fate too if XMR starts to become more mainstream and gains in popularity/price? Or are you (smooth) still working on smart mining capabilities which balances this out a little bit?

smooth

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Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 08, 2016, 03:18:14 PM

Quote from: phishead on January 08, 2016, 02:41:23 PM

Quote from: GingerAle on January 07, 2016, 11:17:49 PM

I'm selling custom built miners. Or I can build them and run them in my basement for a fee. Or you can just send me monero and I'll keep mining monero. Something with mining. I know of at least 2 individuals that have hardware that they have silent because their electricity costs are too high and/or they can't find a place to house their stuff.

and eventually I'll have this monerodo device done which I'll be selling for monero, obviously. Now I'm debating if I should have the software update via github pull / compile or just download "official" binaries. Thoughts? I could also just have it checkout some version... though I've found it a pain to un-checkout things, or go back to head or whatever.

oh yeah. I speculate bananas.

Just curious, what's the cost of the miners you are building, and how are they different from say, your average mining computer?

honestly all I would be doing is building a computer with as many GPUs as can fit on the board. The most PCI slots available on a mobo these days is 6 or 7. The trick to building these things is finding a case to put them in with proper airflow, but thats ultimately what you'd be paying me to do. And then making the mining software work and the pool software (so you could mine on your own node and get ALL OF THE BLOCK). Otherwise you could just throw one together yourself.

Don't quote me, but I think I could sell a 1.6 kh/s rig for $1200.

edited to add: which after 1 year (or whenever your done) you could then pull apart and sell the GPUs on ebay for probably 70%.

I get what your saying, but I'm still really technically incapable of understanding how a "rig" work...

Do you simply download the node on the same computer I'm using, and maybe connect the rig using usb or something which you set the rig to start mining? Is being able to use Linux a necessary skill in order to start running rigs like these?

The sort of rig he's talking about is a computer. I imagine he would install Linux and the necessary node, miner, etc. for you but some skills might be necessary to deal with upgrades (unless you pay him or someone else to maintain it for you).

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