Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1624. (Read 3313576 times)

I agree with 1,2,3,4,5. Can you make a new website? Or maybe lay out some slides of how it should look? And then maybe someone could hack it together with the github thing. All I can do on the github is text, and throwing some images in there.

regarding 6, how polished do you want? My favorite polishing is this: https://bytecoin.org/ , and this communicate why I don't like the polished look. It looks like its trying too hard. Where's that image of a Ferrari shell on an accord when you need it.

I mean, should we just clone https://bitcoin.org/en/  ?

I'm sure things will look more better when we hit, i dunno, 30$ and some folks can decide to "retire" a little earlier from their day job.

It should feel good, as you may now lower your average cost.

I'd love to buy MOAR at 1000:1, but that would raise my average.   

Somebody please dump to 0.0005!   

Good points on a lot of stuff, but SEO is just fine if people have heard of "Monero" and are looking for more info about it. It shows up as the top hit on both Google and Bing for me. I guess that will vary though. On the other hand, if you are looking for some generic phrase like "private currency" then it doesn't.


That seems inconsistent. If something increases new users conversion then it should lead to more demand which would also affect the price, unless the former effect is absolutely insignificant in magnitude (and then why bother?).

Thanks for the feedback overall.

Well, fairly OK is not the best for conversion funnel. I was talking about broader public and from that perspective it's easier to say what is not worth improving.

Just a couple of thoughts from the top of the head:

1. Who is actually the target audience? What people the site should pursue and convince to download the software? As of now it seems that the site is targeted at those who already know about Monero. Too geeky for a layman, too feature-focused for not-sophisticated bitcoiners. It doesn't represent benefits for the user, it focuses on how the tech works inside.

Currently the site is a project for those who know about Monero/CryptoNote. It assumes an average user to know what he's doing there. In reality, an average user doesn't know and doesn't wish to try to get to know.

I'd say it's better to identify those who might be visiting the site (where are the adjacent market niches?) and try convincing them with their language.

2. The whole Getting Started section is inadequate. Lots of reading, pure text. No screenshots for GUI Wallet (well, why not, I might want to see what I'm about to download), no descriptions. This one should be very descriptive and intuitive. Show me what I'm dealing with, convince me of the benefits, lead me towards target action (download?).

3. A number of text-only pages. People hate reading. Structure, visualize, simplify. It's too easy to lose a visitor because of making him read.
What's more, it's quite complicated to navigate across the site if I don't know anything and would like to start somewhere. There's no easy point of entrance.

4. Lots of stuff and tech slang nobody knows or cares about. Design & development goals look nice, but can I have a taste of what it actually implies to me as a user?

5. Blog/News/Diaries are outdated. "Is this project abandoned?"

6. And actually, pretty much every page looks amateurish. It might be ok depending on the target auditnce, but in general it may send polar messages to users. A more polished style could help I guess.

7. Finally, https://getmonero.org/ is just lol (select language, choose wisely!). Come on, index page is crucial.

8. And yeah, SEO.

That hurts as I spent much more on my 1.4k

Which is basically the same as Bassica's answer :-P


@Rias, I am curious, how would you improve the website? I think it is fairly OK at the moment.

Because nobody's working on one.

As do I.


IMHO, the official part matters more earlier than later, and I'd argue it also matters more for a privacy focussed coin like Monero. Solidity over style is good. I'm absolutely fine with the GUI being lower priority than the database, but ease of use in general matters.


A GUI is all of the interface, and the appearance - so that's the Ferrari's sleek exterior and interior etc, etc.

The name of the game is Crypto Kingdom. Soon open to new players again

I'm pretty sure that in case there is huge demand for the coin, it is integrated into exchanges no matter what. Look at Ethereum; it differs from Bitcoin but is widely adopted. There is a reason for that since Ethereum is overhyped and promises radical novelty. It has unprecedented demand (or stimulates it some other way).

What is the direction for Monero here? Straithforward compatibility with Bitcoin is not an option technologically. Official release of LMDB may be a trigger for a larger adoption, but IMO it's much more of chicken and egg dilemma in large rather than this tech showstopper. Improved integration doesn't bring demand per se.

The official GUI that last year we saw screenshots of can lower entrance barriers for users. Another option is, possibly, a clearer website. It will have nothing to do with the price, but it may increase new users conversion.

Double bottom at 0.00097 or deeper?

My moneys on deeper.

Ultimately, the name of the game is here patience and persistence.

You know why I didn't get into bitcoin 5-6 years ago when I heard about it? I didn't believe it. You know why I started to get into it about 1-2 years ago? Because it had been around for 5 years.

Monero is currently in this same boat. its novel technology. we need to support it in order for it to be worth supporting.

As mentioned, there are GUIs available. I actually prefer jwinterm's light wallet.
https://forum.getmonero.org/20/general-discussion/166/lightwallet-a-lightweight-monero-gui-account-manager

I really, truly, do not understand the "official" GUI thing. How many people use the official bitcoin GUI? The best I can muster, I think the GUI thing is at best a red herring or at worst something monerians tell themselves for comfort regarding the price.

If one is truly concerned about price, then the best investment of time is probably into merchant integrations. Hell, the reason monero isn't on ALL of the exchanges is because 1) the "official" binaries eat your memory and 2) in general its so different than bitcoin these exchange sharks don't want to deal with it. If there was a detailed, step-by step guide on how to accept monero deposits *and* execute withdrawals *and* the official release only used 50 MB of memory, it would pop up more places.

Ultimately it takes so much more time because its not really important,  - so exactly what was said about prioritization. And as I've mentioned before, the prioritization chosen has direct effects on the security of the network. Imagine if the core team *had* continued on its work with the GUI as its #1 priority.... presumably, based on the logic of everyone that pines for a GUI, the introduction of the GUI would cause a massive surge in adoption. THis surge in adoption would then cause the blockchain to grow at a much faster rate than it already did. So now the blockchain is 10 gigs, and 5 people can run nodes....

the move of the blockchain to the database increases the security of the network by increasing node count and distribution (read = not datacenter), and as this is a financial network, this is *the* most important thing.

Focusing on the GUI is like if Ferrari spent their time focusing on the steering wheel. They don't.

It's a matter of prioritization, really. Check out the dev roadmap on getmonero.org, and see what they've done instead.

A GUI already exists, but it's external. Works fine even with the latest beta binaries (tested).

Link: http://monero.org/monerox-client/

Maybe not the best place to ask, but why does it take so much more time?

I think gui should be releases in summer. And mid next year there should be a hard fork of monero. But not sure if this is correct though.

Just curious as to why you think that it would be around this upcoming summer for this type of thing to happen? I mean, I do realize by now all of the pampers have dumped to the point where they have all gotten out to ride the bull Bitcoin train, but what makes this summer so important for monero? Is it that there is the halving coming up for Bitcoin and all the people who have kept monero are in it for the long haul?

Not sure about that.  I've always believed derivative markets smooth out volatility via various mechanisms, such as transfer of information about future prices to the present.

Only in a crony capitalist situation where gambling is encouraged by bailouts would options be dangerous.

 
 
If this is true, it will fulfill the fractal formation prophecy that I have foreseen.  That time would occur anywhere from now until next Summer.