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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1773. (Read 3313576 times)

legendary
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September 01, 2015, 03:21:00 PM
A tech savvy DMN thief

This is the real point. These scammers are often (usually?) the operators. They're extremely competent (at least relatively speaking) in operating privately, whether or not they succeed has nothing to do with what less-expert users are exposed to.

generalizethis makes a good point that when even they can't do it, look out, but if they could, it still wouldn't matter to the average user.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
September 01, 2015, 01:54:48 PM
If it's so easy to trace why do we continue to see scams of considerable amounts (many many 50+ btc) go with the slightest hint of consequence?

Methods and sources are the most intently protected secrets.  In the U.S. in particular, law enforcement has adopted military-intelligence modes of operation wholesale.  Their capabilities and practices are kept secret to the degree feasible.  In general the limits of feasibility are determined by the rules of evidence of the courts, and the degree of difficulty in gaming them.  Blockchain analysis and tracking funds are among the more technical methods, and hence more easily concealed from naive courts.  

Law enforcement in general does not care about your 50 btc.  If you want it back you have to track it down yourself, and use private legal apparatus.  Private legal apparatus is very costly to employ, making your 50 btc loss pragmatically unrecoverable, regardless of your skills in blockchain analysis, or your contacts at the exchanges.  You're more likely to meet recovery success by extrajudicial channels.

Several arrests have occurred which may be in part or whole attributable to blockchain analysis, but determining that would require tracking the cases through the courts, to see what evidence emerges at trial, and frankly that could take a while, because almost no one thinks they can get a favorable outcome at trial in the U.S. without a brobdignagian expenditure, so actual trials are quite rare.  Even then, the policy of concealing methods and sources may mean that it takes a while before a sufficiently plum case arises such that law enforcement are willing to disclose a given technique required to support their case.



Just to clarify, I was stating (obliquely) that Evolution and BTCe should have killed the myth of what was is in quotation. A tech savvy DMN thief who can't get the worlds largest regulatory non-compliment exchange to pass their stolen BTC is enough to let the normal cryptocurrency user know that BTC is not the coin for you if you want to smoothly and anonymously transact assets. I just wanted to clarify as i don't want anyone who just sees my name and the quotation to think that that was a statement I made.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
September 01, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
If it's so easy to trace why do we continue to see scams of considerable amounts (many many 50+ btc) go with the slightest hint of consequence?

Methods and sources are the most intently protected secrets.  In the U.S. in particular, law enforcement has adopted military-intelligence modes of operation wholesale.  Their capabilities and practices are kept secret to the degree feasible.  In general the limits of feasibility are determined by the rules of evidence of the courts, and the degree of difficulty in gaming them.  Blockchain analysis and tracking funds are among the more technical methods, and hence more easily concealed from naive courts. 

Law enforcement in general does not care about your 50 btc.  If you want it back you have to track it down yourself, and use private legal apparatus.  Private legal apparatus is very costly to employ, making your 50 btc loss pragmatically unrecoverable, regardless of your skills in blockchain analysis, or your contacts at the exchanges.  You're more likely to meet recovery success by extrajudicial channels.

Several arrests have occurred which may be in part or whole attributable to blockchain analysis, but determining that would require tracking the cases through the courts, to see what evidence emerges at trial, and frankly that could take a while, because almost no one thinks they can get a favorable outcome at trial in the U.S. without a brobdignagian expenditure, so actual trials are quite rare.  Even then, the policy of concealing methods and sources may mean that it takes a while before a sufficiently plum case arises such that law enforcement are willing to disclose a given technique required to support their case.

legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
September 01, 2015, 10:11:15 AM
As far as bananas, we are down to one species that can be shipped worldwide.  I have no idea what we will do when that one is also gone.
Engineer new ones.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
September 01, 2015, 10:09:29 AM
[Bitcoin's value is 90% speculative froth even now. A very small number of coins are needed to facilitate remittances...
Speculative and froth are distinct things.  Speculation with weak hands is frothy.  Speculation with strong hands is a foundation on which you can build.
donator
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September 01, 2015, 04:23:50 AM
Glanced at the charts. The support of the uptrend seems to be at about 0.00188 now. We haven't tested it yet, I think it would hold in the event of a selloff.

To the upside, 0.00265 is a strong resistance now. My belief is that the strongness means that it will keep the lid on price psychologically and from a distance (that it does not rise even close), but when it is assaulted, it will fall at the first try.

To an accumulator, the latest developments have removed the FOMO once again, and the accumulation zone is around 0.002, and several colleagues seem to have noticed the same.

So... this is good or bad?

Good and bad in markets are elusive. I prefer to adjust my position always based on the current price, in relation to the information I have about the asset. In practice this means to eliminate hope. When I start hoping that the price would go up or down, I normally get disappointed and also lose money. If I adjust the position such that it does not matter whether it goes up or down, that I can act in both cases, this will lead to profitable investing in the long run.
sr. member
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September 01, 2015, 02:32:34 AM
Glanced at the charts. The support of the uptrend seems to be at about 0.00188 now. We haven't tested it yet, I think it would hold in the event of a selloff.

To the upside, 0.00265 is a strong resistance now. My belief is that the strongness means that it will keep the lid on price psychologically and from a distance (that it does not rise even close), but when it is assaulted, it will fall at the first try.

To an accumulator, the latest developments have removed the FOMO once again, and the accumulation zone is around 0.002, and several colleagues seem to have noticed the same.

So... this is good or bad?
legendary
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August 31, 2015, 05:48:18 PM
2. I recently found that it is difficult to have more than one Monero address per client (if my understanding is correct)?  My original idea was to have seven bitcoin addresses at the end of the book and seven Monero addresses...  Is this unreasonable?  Should I not expect to be able to realistically manage more than one Monero address until a robust GUI implementation is put into place? 

I don't know your level of computer skills but I have dozens of monero wallet files. Never had a problem managing it.
legendary
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Flippin' burgers since 1163.
August 31, 2015, 04:26:26 PM
Hey, can I ask this community for some advice?  If you don't know, I'm gearing up to try a decentralized fiction project soon... 

Awesome move americanpegasus, will definately follow your/our project!
legendary
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August 31, 2015, 02:14:18 PM
Hey, can I ask this community for some advice?  If you don't know, I'm gearing up to try a decentralized fiction project soon...  The first of its kind.   The tl;dr is that I have a written, edited and illustrated book that will be given away for free.  At the end will be bitcoin and Monero addresses fans can use to contribute crypto towards the project.  Not only will the donations be used to help decide what happens next, but also will be used to pay/compensate writers, artists, and editors for future development in this fictional world.  The hope is that this project will become self sustaining and grow on its own. 
 
For more info, check here:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ing5h/labrys_will_be_launched_on_september_28th_on_the/ 
 

 
 
Your advice please: 
 
1. It is my intention to reinvest the overwhelming majority of crypto donations back into the project.  I also hope to be as open as possible about where the donations are going.  To this end I propose I will keep 20% of all donations for original authorship and ongoing project management.  80% goes back as compensation for future writing, art, etc.  I feel like this is an extremely fair split that will give everyone involved a good feeling about donating.  What do you think? 
 
2. I recently found that it is difficult to have more than one Monero address per client (if my understanding is correct)?  My original idea was to have seven bitcoin addresses at the end of the book and seven Monero addresses...  Is this unreasonable?  Should I not expect to be able to realistically manage more than one Monero address until a robust GUI implementation is put into place? 
 
Thanks for your advice.  This is a tremendous undertaking, and the first of its kind so I am sure there are many pitfalls ahead of me.  However I feel that if done properly this may be another killer 'app' (like Crypto Kingdom) that helps bring cryptocurrency into the mainstream.

Regarding [2], see comments in this reddit thread -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3ixusi/generating_additional_addresses/. Perhaps two addresses will be sufficient as well.
hero member
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August 31, 2015, 02:04:36 PM
Hey, can I ask this community for some advice?  If you don't know, I'm gearing up to try a decentralized fiction project soon...  The first of its kind.   The tl;dr is that I have a written, edited and illustrated book that will be given away for free.  At the end will be bitcoin and Monero addresses fans can use to contribute crypto towards the project.  Not only will the donations be used to help decide what happens next, but also will be used to pay/compensate writers, artists, and editors for future development in this fictional world.  The hope is that this project will become self sustaining and grow on its own. 
 
For more info, check here:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ing5h/labrys_will_be_launched_on_september_28th_on_the/ 
 

 
 
Your advice please: 
 
1. It is my intention to reinvest the overwhelming majority of crypto donations back into the project.  I also hope to be as open as possible about where the donations are going.  To this end I propose I will keep 20% of all donations for original authorship and ongoing project management.  80% goes back as compensation for future writing, art, etc.  I feel like this is an extremely fair split that will give everyone involved a good feeling about donating.  What do you think? 
 
2. I recently found that it is difficult to have more than one Monero address per client (if my understanding is correct)?  My original idea was to have seven bitcoin addresses at the end of the book and seven Monero addresses...  Is this unreasonable?  Should I not expect to be able to realistically manage more than one Monero address until a robust GUI implementation is put into place? 
 
Thanks for your advice.  This is a tremendous undertaking, and the first of its kind so I am sure there are many pitfalls ahead of me.  However I feel that if done properly this may be another killer 'app' (like Crypto Kingdom) that helps bring cryptocurrency into the mainstream.
donator
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August 31, 2015, 05:57:24 AM
Glanced at the charts. The support of the uptrend seems to be at about 0.00188 now. We haven't tested it yet, I think it would hold in the event of a selloff.

To the upside, 0.00265 is a strong resistance now. My belief is that the strongness means that it will keep the lid on price psychologically and from a distance (that it does not rise even close), but when it is assaulted, it will fall at the first try.

To an accumulator, the latest developments have removed the FOMO once again, and the accumulation zone is around 0.002, and several colleagues seem to have noticed the same.
legendary
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August 30, 2015, 08:35:13 PM
soon has lost all of its original meaning.

I now take it to be the literal meaning of "anytime now".


As far as bananas, we are down to one species that can be shipped worldwide.  I have no idea what we will do when that one is also gone.

A good point. I often ponder how the Big Mike actually tasted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Michel_banana

legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
August 30, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
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Your identity is not stored. What is stored are the transactions that move coins around, and the relationships between those transactions. Could that possibly be compromised in the future? Sure, anything could possibly be compromised.


The public transactions in bitcoin are, well, public, and can be traced and used against you. The perfect example is the crack down of silck road, in which public blockchain of bitcoin played a key role:

https://coincenter.org/2015/04/silk-road-corruption-case-shows-how-law-enforcement-uses-bitcoin/


n00b question:

If it's so easy to trace why do we continue to see scams of considerable amounts (many many 50+ btc) go with the slightest hint of consequence?

I thought that myth died with Evolution and BTCe?

What myth?
newbie
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August 30, 2015, 06:45:10 PM
Quote

Your identity is not stored. What is stored are the transactions that move coins around, and the relationships between those transactions. Could that possibly be compromised in the future? Sure, anything could possibly be compromised.


The public transactions in bitcoin are, well, public, and can be traced and used against you. The perfect example is the crack down of silck road, in which public blockchain of bitcoin played a key role:

https://coincenter.org/2015/04/silk-road-corruption-case-shows-how-law-enforcement-uses-bitcoin/


n00b question:

If it's so easy to trace why do we continue to see scams of considerable amounts (many many 50+ btc) go with the slightest hint of consequence?

I thought that myth died with Evolution and BTCe?

What myth?

legendary
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August 30, 2015, 04:05:36 PM
soon has lost all of its original meaning.

I now take it to be the literal meaning of "anytime now".


As far as bananas, we are down to one species that can be shipped worldwide.  I have no idea what we will do when that one is also gone.
legendary
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August 30, 2015, 01:26:41 PM
What kind of revamp and why?

Look at the post history. Obvious sigspam.

You know what would be a nice thread feature? Disable signatures checkbox.


Don't need it for the thread if we would all take advantage of it at the profile level.  I've had sigs blocked for years, and it cleans up the forum nearly as much as ignore does.   Well,  not quite.  But it helps Wink

wow, thanks for that. Also in those settings I came across the "hide avatars", which I thoroughly enjoy. Indeed, I started using bitcointalk when the avatars were disabled, and really wasn't a fan when they came back. But now everyone simply has a name again. Marvelous.

And, as always, I speculate bananas. Well, lets actually look at the prices here..... woof 46.7 cents at 0.00205... looks like bitcoins bouncing on that 200 level. As far as I can tell, still no word on how bitcoin is going to handle its blocksize problem, and their politics are still offputting to me. Watching maxwells video that I posted on the main thread has me convinced that at least he is aware of the implications of traceability in the bitcoin blockchain... I don't know if anyone noticed, but the video was 1/3 introduction, 1/3rd all of the other elements, and then 1/3rd confidential transactions. So that'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

It will be interesting to see how the price reacts to the release of the new binaries, whenever that happens, which will be soon, if anyone's following github. 0MQ in development branch!!!! What will this new release have in it? Exciting times.

But back to the bananas.

legendary
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August 30, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
morning!

I was checking bing's search results for "monero"  Grin

and this is on the first page: http://www.cashguard.com/Solutions/Monero/

thought it is a funny find and share it. feel free to delete @smooth if it is off topic too much.

Wow.  Low budget.  I hadn't realized that proofing/editing was such an insurmountable expense.
legendary
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August 30, 2015, 01:04:12 PM
What kind of revamp and why?

Look at the post history. Obvious sigspam.

You know what would be a nice thread feature? Disable signatures checkbox.


Don't need it for the thread if we would all take advantage of it at the profile level.  I've had sigs blocked for years, and it cleans up the forum nearly as much as ignore does.   Well,  not quite.  But it helps Wink
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
August 30, 2015, 06:29:11 AM
I'm not even sure what to make about this comment about shelf life. This is not a dried food product in a box. Development is ongoing and improvements continue to be made. A clear defficiency, for example, are leakages that occur due to no IP network obfuscation at all. That's why we are tracking the i2p developments on their C++ implementation and plan to integrate that ASAP. (BTW, did anyone see that Bitcoin Core recently got the ability to seamlessly run as a Tor hidden service? Nice work by the Bitcoin devs!) These are not perfect solutions of course, and we're all hard at work to make them even better.

No one is promising that any specific technology is the ultimate solution for all time. If they do, grab your wallet and run the other way.

Referring to Quantum computing I would guess. NSA has suite B protocols now so apparently they are very concerned. If this coin wants to be the premier Anon coin then it damn better be very concerned as well. If for nothing else than appearances sake.
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