[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 182.

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Quote from: KeyJockey on January 24, 2019, 11:35:34 AM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on January 24, 2019, 11:04:23 AM

Quote from: Gaben. on January 24, 2019, 10:15:36 AM

Quote from: KeyJockey on January 24, 2019, 09:00:48 AM

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So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...? Coincidence?
...

Come again?

Also interested.

I'm not gonna expand on this other than to say, guys... LOOK: for ME at least Fluffy ain't the same FLUFFY he was at the beginning. "Something" changed. Not least being his extreme pro-Core alignment stance (and YES this is WHY I ain't gonna "get into this" because I don't want it to trigger yet another god damn divisive shitstorm of BTCvsBCHvsEveryDamnOtherThing in cryptoverse that this shit ALWAYS triggers...)

I just think SOMETHING is GOING ON that we cannot SEE.

And it's because MONERO REALLY IS A THREAT. Isn't it?

OR am I just delusional imagining shit that ain't really there? Crypto GHOSTS haunting me???

LOL Grin

P.S. Maybe to put it another way: the FACT that there has NOT been any clear apparent ATTACK against MONERO yet so far as we can SEE... to me, must MEAN there is some ATTACK happening that we CANNOT SEE! The alternative concept that there simply has been "no attack" YET seems to me... impossible.

The most important thing fluffy did in retrospect was to disassociate him self “officially” by giving the big middle finger to wanna-be pumpers/investors by presenting his troll ‘MEA’ video at the 2016 NYC meeting. People always were strongly correlating anything that happened in Monero to fluffy as if he actually were a CEO of some scammy ICO company.

This allowed fluffy to have a life the way he wants to live it, and this also allowed Monero to continue it’s altruistic mission of being a private, decentralized and fungible... so imo, this has nothing to do with fluffy. He has every right to be as much of a troll/blockstream fan boy as he wants. We are in this to go away from a central authority.

cAPSLOCK

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So we are seeing a fair uptick in volume along with a small rise in price...

Anyone have any theory? Seems to be happening independently to cryptos as a whole...

Whass goin' on?

cAPSLOCK

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Quote from: KeyJockey on January 24, 2019, 11:35:34 AM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on January 24, 2019, 11:04:23 AM

Quote from: Gaben. on January 24, 2019, 10:15:36 AM

Quote from: KeyJockey on January 24, 2019, 09:00:48 AM

...

So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...? Coincidence?
...

Come again?

Also interested.

I'm not gonna expand on this other than to say, guys... LOOK: for ME at least Fluffy ain't the same FLUFFY he was at the beginning. "Something" changed. Not least being his extreme pro-Core alignment stance (and YES this is WHY I ain't gonna "get into this" because I don't want it to trigger yet another god damn divisive shitstorm of BTCvsBCHvsEveryDamnOtherThing in cryptoverse that this shit ALWAYS triggers...)

I just think SOMETHING is GOING ON that we cannot SEE.

And it's because MONERO REALLY IS A THREAT. Isn't it?

OR am I just delusional imagining shit that ain't really there? Crypto GHOSTS haunting me???

LOL Grin

P.S. Maybe to put it another way: the FACT that there has NOT been any clear apparent ATTACK against MONERO yet so far as we can SEE... to me, must MEAN there is some ATTACK happening that we CANNOT SEE! The alternative concept that there simply has been "no attack" YET seems to me... impossible.

I totally get your desire NOT to get into the whole blocksize thing.

That said, I think Fluffy has admitted on more than one occasion he is a Blockstream plant. Wink

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on January 24, 2019, 11:04:23 AM

Quote from: Gaben. on January 24, 2019, 10:15:36 AM

Quote from: KeyJockey on January 24, 2019, 09:00:48 AM

...

So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...? Coincidence?
...

Come again?

Also interested.

I'm not gonna expand on this other than to say, guys... LOOK: for ME at least Fluffy ain't the same FLUFFY he was at the beginning. "Something" changed. Not least being his extreme pro-Core alignment stance (and YES this is WHY I ain't gonna "get into this" because I don't want it to trigger yet another god damn divisive shitstorm of BTCvsBCHvsEveryDamnOtherThing in cryptoverse that this shit ALWAYS triggers...)

I just think SOMETHING is GOING ON that we cannot SEE.

And it's because MONERO REALLY IS A THREAT. Isn't it?

OR am I just delusional imagining shit that ain't really there? Crypto GHOSTS haunting me???

LOL Grin

P.S. Maybe to put it another way: the FACT that there has NOT been any clear apparent ATTACK against MONERO yet so far as we can SEE... to me, must MEAN there is some ATTACK happening that we CANNOT SEE! The alternative concept that there simply has been "no attack" YET seems to me... impossible.

cAPSLOCK

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Quote from: infofront on January 24, 2019, 10:00:58 AM

The consensus seems to be that Monero is a little better in terms of privacy, but Grin is pretty good. Grin is limited to 10-20 TPS, tops. Monero is theoretically capable of 1,700 TPS. Grin has amazing scaling in terms of blockchain size, but that's not very important IMO.

Mind expanding on the bolded? As this is the bit that seems to be the hardest criticism of Monero. Are you thinking layer 2 is the answer? Similar to BTC? Moores law? Etc?

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Quote from: Gaben. on January 24, 2019, 10:15:36 AM

Quote from: KeyJockey on January 24, 2019, 09:00:48 AM

...

So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...? Coincidence?
...

Come again?

Also interested.

Gaben.

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Quote from: KeyJockey on January 24, 2019, 09:00:48 AM

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So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...? Coincidence?
...

Come again?

infofront

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Quote from: Kanati on January 24, 2019, 07:02:33 AM

Quote from: infofront on January 23, 2019, 01:07:48 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on January 23, 2019, 12:39:29 AM

Hi guys. Been a while. Hodling strong. How is kovri progressing?

LOL, you'll wish you never asked.

It's fucked. Here's some drama:
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-1.html
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-2.html
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-3.html

Jeezus - I've been away for awhile too Roll Eyes

So what's the deal with Grin? They published a comparison to Zcash, but nothing head to head with Monero - https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin/wiki/Grin-and-MimbleWimble-vs-ZCash

Looks like Grin has a long way to go before it can be considered competition for Monero imho. But that being said, I do think the Monero Dev Drama could be some cause for concern Undecided

The consensus seems to be that Monero is a little better in terms of privacy, but Grin is pretty good. Grin is limited to 10-20 TPS, tops. Monero is theoretically capable of 1,700 TPS. Grin has amazing scaling in terms of blockchain size, but that's not very important IMO.

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Quote from: pa on January 24, 2019, 09:11:36 AM

What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

Way way WAY back a million years ago before crypto happened I was a gold/silver believer.

However now, after crypto, my past experience dealing in being a gold owner/buyer/holder leads me to believe the future can be crypto and probably only CRYPTO

Why?

One big reason: GOLD "shops". Coin&Stamp dealers and the myriad of ridiculous insane We Buy Gold businesses.

Are present-day goldbugs seriously believing that the global banking financial infrastructure after FIAT COLLAPSE will be picked up and run with by these ridiculous insane gold buyer/trader Coin&Stamp type dealers?

If NOT? How ELSE would the common Man On The Street actually deal with his MONEY being "gold" once again??

Ain't gonna fuckkin HAPPEN, man.

The UI/adoption issues of CRYPTO for this proverbial Man On The Street are NOTHING compared to THAT possibility.

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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

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Quote from: Kanati on January 24, 2019, 07:02:33 AM

Jeezus - I've been away for awhile too Roll Eyes

So what's the deal with Grin? They published a comparison to Zcash, but nothing head to head with Monero - https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin/wiki/Grin-and-MimbleWimble-vs-ZCash

Looks like Grin has a long way to go before it can be considered competition for Monero imho. But that being said, I do think the Monero Dev Drama could be some cause for concern Undecided

I was away for quite a while too and only recently sort-of "back" but really just lurking a bit tryin put just a toe back inna water sorta.

So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...? Coincidence?

WTF really goin' on? Seems to me maybe gotta be "more than meets the eye" for the simple reason that as far as privacy/fungibility goes MONERO ACTUALLY WORKS and *THAT* my dear friends, is GOTTA be one of the BIGGEST THREATS OF ALL CRYPTO at ALL to the entrenched power-structure of this planet.

amirite? or WTF?

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Quote from: infofront on January 23, 2019, 01:07:48 PM

Quote from: Anon136 on January 23, 2019, 12:39:29 AM

Hi guys. Been a while. Hodling strong. How is kovri progressing?

LOL, you'll wish you never asked.

It's fucked. Here's some drama:
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-1.html
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-2.html
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-3.html

Jeezus - I've been away for awhile too Roll Eyes

So what's the deal with Grin? They published a comparison to Zcash, but nothing head to head with Monero - https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin/wiki/Grin-and-MimbleWimble-vs-ZCash

Looks like Grin has a long way to go before it can be considered competition for Monero imho. But that being said, I do think the Monero Dev Drama could be some cause for concern Undecided

infofront

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Quote from: Anon136 on January 23, 2019, 12:39:29 AM

Hi guys. Been a while. Hodling strong. How is kovri progressing?

LOL, you'll wish you never asked.

It's fucked. Here's some drama:
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-1.html
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-2.html
https://i2p.rocks/blog/kovri-and-the-curious-case-of-code-rot-part-3.html

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Quote from: Last of the V8s on January 22, 2019, 01:31:29 PM

Quote from: theymos on January 22, 2019, 11:44:21 AM

- If you send a transaction but the process is interrupted before you finalize it, you need to do grin wallet cancel -t TXID and then (due to a bug which will probably eventually be fixed) grin wallet check

maybe this might help?

It's already cancelled, at least on my end - it entered cancelled state after running grin wallet check.

Hueristic

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Quote from: Anon136 on January 23, 2019, 12:39:29 AM

Hi guys. Been a while. Hodling strong. How is kovri progressing?

It's a shitshow apparently, sorry can't find the links. And my search came up empty??
I think Globb0 has them handy.

Anon136

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Hi guys. Been a while. Hodling strong. How is kovri progressing?

smooth

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Off topic includes any extensive discussion of other coins, promoting other coins, or posting of promotional materials from other coins.

Comparisons between Monero and Grin are okay but keep it substantive and not just cheerleading or doomsaying

Hueristic

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Quote from: Privcy Foundation on January 22, 2019, 06:30:58 PM

Dump your monero before its too late boys, Grin taking over

w0w, look at that nice new Red trust you got there buddy!

Welcome to ignore as well. ;P

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Dump your monero before its too late boys, Grin taking over

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Quote from: generalizethis on January 22, 2019, 02:36:24 PM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on January 22, 2019, 12:13:56 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on January 22, 2019, 11:36:09 AM

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on January 22, 2019, 11:27:51 AM

Very interesting rise in price and volume (as well as hashpower Shocked

).

Not in concert with much of anything else...

Not really huge yet, but some of the highest volume on an upswing in months.

Thoughts?

I was sitting there watching the last dump before the rise and had a bid in at .012251 IIRC and it dropped right to my bid and never touched it before shooting up. It was like going to a strip club.

I think those that were waiting on Grin realize it is years away and are trying to quietly get back in.

Grin is amazingly cool. But there are SEVERAL issues that mean it is not a replacement for Monero or Bitcoin.

1. New tech, new implementation. Unproven.
2. Difficult UX (remember when Monero was only for "geeks"?)
3. Diametrically different emission to BTC. And even though XMR has the tail emission which is hated by 21MM purists, Grin's version is even more anathema for them.
4. Monero is still best in class privacy. Period.

I think #4 is where Monero needs to continue to push development. Along with scaling improvements that is really what is important. Monero's privacy is the only real reason for it to exist at all in my humble opinion.

To be honest I am wondering if MW is better as a sidechain on BTC/XMR than as a base layer... but I have not spent as much time analyzing that.

The glory days when people laughed at you and said, "NO OFFICIAL GUI!?! What a shitcoin!!!"

Lol, Soon^TMseems so long ago now.

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