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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 183. (Read 3314316 times)

legendary
Activity: 3836
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 22, 2019, 06:26:23 PM
Very interesting rise in price and volume (as well as hashpower  Shocked ).

Not in concert with much of anything else...

Not really huge yet, but some of the highest volume on an upswing in months.

Thoughts?

I was sitting there watching the last dump before the rise and had a bid in at .012251 IIRC and it dropped right to my bid and never touched it before shooting up. It was like going to a strip club. Smiley

I think those that were waiting on Grin realize it is years away and are trying to quietly get back in.

Grin is amazingly cool.  But there are SEVERAL issues that mean it is not a replacement for Monero or Bitcoin.

1.  New tech, new implementation.  Unproven.
2.  Difficult UX (remember when Monero was only for "geeks"?)
3.  Diametrically different emission to BTC.  And even though XMR has the tail emission which is hated by 21MM purists, Grin's version is even more anathema for them.
4.  Monero is still best in class privacy.  Period.

I think #4 is where Monero needs to continue to push development.  Along with scaling improvements that is really what is important.  Monero's privacy is the only real reason for it to exist at all in my humble opinion.

To be honest I am wondering if MW is better as a sidechain on BTC/XMR than as a base layer... but I have not spent as much time analyzing that.

That is a good question and While I would think having Monero as a base layer will not allow (as much potential) leakage and keep the privacy safer I'm not sure if the trade off for bitcoins security of chain is a better option. So basically, Idunno either. Smiley
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
January 22, 2019, 02:36:24 PM
Very interesting rise in price and volume (as well as hashpower  Shocked ).

Not in concert with much of anything else...

Not really huge yet, but some of the highest volume on an upswing in months.

Thoughts?

I was sitting there watching the last dump before the rise and had a bid in at .012251 IIRC and it dropped right to my bid and never touched it before shooting up. It was like going to a strip club. Smiley

I think those that were waiting on Grin realize it is years away and are trying to quietly get back in.

Grin is amazingly cool.  But there are SEVERAL issues that mean it is not a replacement for Monero or Bitcoin.

1.  New tech, new implementation.  Unproven.
2.  Difficult UX (remember when Monero was only for "geeks"?)
3.  Diametrically different emission to BTC.  And even though XMR has the tail emission which is hated by 21MM purists, Grin's version is even more anathema for them.
4.  Monero is still best in class privacy.  Period.

I think #4 is where Monero needs to continue to push development.  Along with scaling improvements that is really what is important.  Monero's privacy is the only real reason for it to exist at all in my humble opinion.

To be honest I am wondering if MW is better as a sidechain on BTC/XMR than as a base layer... but I have not spent as much time analyzing that.

The glory days when people laughed at you and said, "NO OFFICIAL GUI!?! What a shitcoin!!!"
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 4393
Be a bank
January 22, 2019, 01:31:29 PM
Difficult UX is putting it lightly. I would consider myself quite a geek and it's confusing even for me, there is very little valid documentation on how to use it. I also seem to have permanently lost some GRIN from unintentionally cancelling a transaction (?!).

Monero will have a MW sidechain soon - I think it will be more promising than Grin, at least currently. I do like that Grin is implemented in Rust, but it has too many technical issues currently.
- If you send a transaction but the process is interrupted before you finalize it, you need to do grin wallet cancel -t TXID and then (due to a bug which will probably eventually be fixed) grin wallet check
maybe this might help?
member
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Merit: 16
January 22, 2019, 01:27:57 PM
Difficult UX is putting it lightly. I would consider myself quite a geek and it's confusing even for me, there is very little valid documentation on how to use it. I also seem to have permanently lost some GRIN from unintentionally cancelling a transaction (?!).

Monero will have a MW sidechain soon - I think it will be more promising than Grin, at least currently. I do like that Grin is implemented in Rust, but it has too many technical issues currently.
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
January 22, 2019, 12:13:56 PM
Very interesting rise in price and volume (as well as hashpower  Shocked ).

Not in concert with much of anything else...

Not really huge yet, but some of the highest volume on an upswing in months.

Thoughts?

I was sitting there watching the last dump before the rise and had a bid in at .012251 IIRC and it dropped right to my bid and never touched it before shooting up. It was like going to a strip club. Smiley

I think those that were waiting on Grin realize it is years away and are trying to quietly get back in.

Grin is amazingly cool.  But there are SEVERAL issues that mean it is not a replacement for Monero or Bitcoin.

1.  New tech, new implementation.  Unproven.
2.  Difficult UX (remember when Monero was only for "geeks"?)
3.  Diametrically different emission to BTC.  And even though XMR has the tail emission which is hated by 21MM purists, Grin's version is even more anathema for them.
4.  Monero is still best in class privacy.  Period.

I think #4 is where Monero needs to continue to push development.  Along with scaling improvements that is really what is important.  Monero's privacy is the only real reason for it to exist at all in my humble opinion.

To be honest I am wondering if MW is better as a sidechain on BTC/XMR than as a base layer... but I have not spent as much time analyzing that.
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 22, 2019, 11:36:09 AM
Very interesting rise in price and volume (as well as hashpower  Shocked ).

Not in concert with much of anything else...

Not really huge yet, but some of the highest volume on an upswing in months.

Thoughts?

I was sitting there watching the last dump before the rise and had a bid in at .012251 IIRC and it dropped right to my bid and never touched it before shooting up. It was like going to a strip club. Smiley

I think those that were waiting on Grin realize it is years away and are trying to quietly get back in.
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
January 22, 2019, 11:27:51 AM
Very interesting rise in price and volume (as well as hashpower  Shocked ).

Not in concert with much of anything else...

Not really huge yet, but some of the highest volume on an upswing in months.

Thoughts?
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 21, 2019, 11:42:03 PM
Prices are good right now for accumulators, always useful to hold some XMR bags as it has a real world use albeit a dark one. People have guns at home for protection, it is worth having some monero as well, never know when it might come in useful.

This point is vastly underrated. The prepper community stockpiles guns and supplies completely ignorant that their preparations are useless against their most likely adversary: government. The lesson of the 20th century is that governments are highly effective genocide institutions with a death toll of approximately 203 million.

Government death toll by century:
  • 18th century: ~18 million
  • 19th century: ~ 45 million
  • 20th century: ~ 203 million

The 21st century is off to a slower start, but I expect the trend to continue. The number of displaced persons just hit a record high at 68.5 million. Things haven't even gotten bad yet from a geopolitical perspective. We will see record numbers murdered by the government in this century.

Preppers are watching doom porn and prepping for fictional scenarios. They are delusional to think their small arms stockpile will have any meaningful impact on their survival in the face of war or democide. My bugout bag consists of a hardware wallet with a year of living expenses. Bitcoin (and even more so Monero) are incredibly powerful tools for freedom. Far more than an AR-15 in your basement. If you haven't already, listen to this interview with Alex Gladstein of the human rights foundation on Why Bitcoin Matters for Freedom

Good link, thanks! IOU 1 sM+

Crossposted to WO thread.
hero member
Activity: 870
Merit: 585
January 21, 2019, 11:15:01 PM
listen to this interview with Alex Gladstein of the human rights foundation on Why Bitcoin Matters for Freedom
I second that.
jr. member
Activity: 45
Merit: 36
January 19, 2019, 11:49:36 AM
Prices are good right now for accumulators, always useful to hold some XMR bags as it has a real world use albeit a dark one. People have guns at home for protection, it is worth having some monero as well, never know when it might come in useful.

This point is vastly underrated. The prepper community stockpiles guns and supplies completely ignorant that their preparations are useless against their most likely adversary: government. The lesson of the 20th century is that governments are highly effective genocide institutions with a death toll of approximately 203 million.

Government death toll by century:
  • 18th century: ~18 million
  • 19th century: ~ 45 million
  • 20th century: ~ 203 million

The 21st century is off to a slower start, but I expect the trend to continue. The number of displaced persons just hit a record high at 68.5 million. Things haven't even gotten bad yet from a geopolitical perspective. We will see record numbers murdered by the government in this century.

Preppers are watching doom porn and prepping for fictional scenarios. They are delusional to think their small arms stockpile will have any meaningful impact on their survival in the face of war or democide. My bugout bag consists of a hardware wallet with a year of living expenses. Bitcoin (and even more so Monero) are incredibly powerful tools for freedom. Far more than an AR-15 in your basement. If you haven't already, listen to this interview with Alex Gladstein of the human rights foundation on Why Bitcoin Matters for Freedom
legendary
Activity: 3836
Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 19, 2019, 11:48:23 AM
Prices are good right now for accumulators, always useful to hold some XMR bags as it has a real world use albeit a dark one. People have guns at home for protection, it is worth having some monero as well, never know when it might come in useful.

Yeah, just like keeping cash on hand right?
full member
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January 19, 2019, 06:59:20 AM
Prices are good right now for accumulators, always useful to hold some XMR bags as it has a real world use albeit a dark one. People have guns at home for protection, it is worth having some monero as well, never know when it might come in useful.
legendary
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Free spirit
January 18, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
legendary
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Life, Love and Laughter...
January 18, 2019, 12:52:09 PM
How true are those rumors that Grin devs are really some of the BTC Core devs gone anon?  And who among the Core devs would most likely be working on Grin?

Another question, are there any Core devs dissatisfied with BTC?  Wink
legendary
Activity: 3836
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 17, 2019, 11:52:38 PM
Maybe they feel like the missed the boat on Monero?

You do know how to cut to the chase. Smiley

I missed this boat by my own mistake but still support it and buy every week (pretty much).
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
January 17, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
I confess I understand his fascination for Grin.

Mind you, he is also a moderate fan of a certain other coin...

And i thought Grin won't launch it's mainnet anytime soon. But looks like the client is far from user-friendly and only mid-high end GPU can mine GRIN for now.

Any chance you'll accept another cryptocurrency (XMR, ETH or perhaps DOGE) soon?

XMR is possible, but probably not the others.

We aren't written off yet, then Wink

It’s not the point of being “approved” or not... it’s the hypocrisy that annoys me. Maximalist have always shot down any coin that has tried market itself as being a potential better solution to Bitcoin due to legit reasons such as Bitcoin’s reliability/security...

If they have strong opinions about something, like the OG bitcoin being the only crypto worthy of consideration, that’s one thing and I can totally understand that reasoning... but all the sudden accepting grin with wide open arms? Fuck that. Something is totally weird about it, yet I can’t really tell why I feel that way.

Does no one else feel this way??

I'm sure others feel that way -

It's weird. It seems many of the old school bitcoiners who didn't pile on Monero are now piling on Grin.

Maybe they feel like the missed the boat on Monero?
hero member
Activity: 1874
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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend
January 17, 2019, 10:06:22 PM
I confess I understand his fascination for Grin.

Mind you, he is also a moderate fan of a certain other coin...

And i thought Grin won't launch it's mainnet anytime soon. But looks like the client is far from user-friendly and only mid-high end GPU can mine GRIN for now.

Any chance you'll accept another cryptocurrency (XMR, ETH or perhaps DOGE) soon?

XMR is possible, but probably not the others.

We aren't written off yet, then Wink

It’s not the point of being “approved” or not... it’s the hypocrisy that annoys me. Maximalist have always shot down any coin that has tried market itself as being a potential better solution to Bitcoin due to legit reasons such as Bitcoin’s reliability/security...

If they have strong opinions about something, like the OG bitcoin being the only crypto worthy of consideration, that’s one thing and I can totally understand that reasoning... but all the sudden accepting grin with wide open arms? Fuck that. Something is totally weird about it, yet I can’t really tell why I feel that way.

Does no one else feel this way??
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1748
January 17, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
I confess I understand his fascination for Grin.

Mind you, he is also a moderate fan of a certain other coin...

And i thought Grin won't launch it's mainnet anytime soon. But looks like the client is far from user-friendly and only mid-high end GPU can mine GRIN for now.

Any chance you'll accept another cryptocurrency (XMR, ETH or perhaps DOGE) soon?

XMR is possible, but probably not the others.

We aren't written off yet, then Wink
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 2053
Free spirit
January 17, 2019, 04:40:16 PM
Grin

legendary
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January 17, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Just in case people haven’t seen this yet, Theymos just added grin for acceptable payments towards copper memberships, donations, etc. on the forum:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/grin-is-now-accepted-for-forum-payments-5098450

Lots of trust in a coin that is a couple days old... lol.


Grin inflation rates
Year #Yearly monetary inflation rate
136500%
2100%
350%
433%
525%
620%
717%
814%
1110%
215%
343%

Gold mining yearly inflation is 1.5%
Todays Bitcoins emission inflation is 3.83%
Todays Monero emission inflation is 5.09%


Grins bitcoin price will most likely decrease for years.

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