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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1836. (Read 3314350 times)

legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
July 16, 2015, 10:56:23 AM
I am buying it but it is important to let the other people to buy it as well..
I do not want this to be only our coin but we want to embrace a lot of new adoption.

The site should be marketed (or spammed if you do not want to be politically correct) right (perhaps some google ads? send hints to mainstream media, get articles to big news papers - that could lead even a news story on TV - who knows).

One step after the other... let us first have a proper stable product before anything else.

You see, there might be some "wannabe early adopters" who want to buy a coin when it is still at its infant state - and they are discouraged to buy the coin once it is a finished product. Now Monero can be marketed as a great potential as it is not ready yet.
Once it is ready, then it is time to look for larger investments (like millions of usd in one shot), then the mainstream (whatever market share it means).

I disagree with you ... that kind of people would have had more than a year now to find about Monero. It´s not like this was some 1 week PoS Coin. If you want to market or "spam" do it outside of BCT where no one has heard of it or even BTC.

Bullish is good... but rubbing it into everyones face in every post is just annoying...

My two millinero

Writing in bitcointalk has nothing to do with marketing anymore.
Marketing is done outside of this forum.
Writing here can be considered as trolling and it is fun.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
21 million. I want them all.
July 16, 2015, 10:54:22 AM
I also agree that the product (Monero) is ready enough to be marketed, but please don't use the site (moneroinvestment.com) for the marketing until we have made that ready. Should not take long!

Do you have someone who is editing the text on moneroinvestment.com?

If not, I will gladly help polish it (for free).
hero member
Activity: 768
Merit: 505
July 16, 2015, 10:50:49 AM
I am buying it but it is important to let the other people to buy it as well..
I do not want this to be only our coin but we want to embrace a lot of new adoption.

The site should be marketed (or spammed if you do not want to be politically correct) right (perhaps some google ads? send hints to mainstream media, get articles to big news papers - that could lead even a news story on TV - who knows).

One step after the other... let us first have a proper stable product before anything else.

You see, there might be some "wannabe early adopters" who want to buy a coin when it is still at its infant state - and they are discouraged to buy the coin once it is a finished product. Now Monero can be marketed as a great potential as it is not ready yet.
Once it is ready, then it is time to look for larger investments (like millions of usd in one shot), then the mainstream (whatever market share it means).

I disagree with you ... that kind of people would have had more than a year now to find about Monero. It´s not like this was some 1 week PoS Coin. If you want to market or "spam" do it outside of BCT where no one has heard of it or even BTC.

Bullish is good... but rubbing it into everyones face in every post is just annoying...

My two millinero
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
July 16, 2015, 10:13:07 AM
I also agree that the product (Monero) is ready enough to be marketed, but please don't use the site (moneroinvestment.com) for the marketing until we have made that ready. Should not take long!
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
July 16, 2015, 10:10:07 AM
I am buying it but it is important to let the other people to buy it as well..
I do not want this to be only our coin but we want to embrace a lot of new adoption.

The site should be marketed (or spammed if you do not want to be politically correct) right (perhaps some google ads? send hints to mainstream media, get articles to big news papers - that could lead even a news story on TV - who knows).

One step after the other... let us first have a proper stable product before anything else.

You see, there might be some "wannabe early adopters" who want to buy a coin when it is still at its infant state - and they are discouraged to buy the coin once it is a finished product. Now Monero can be marketed as a great potential as it is not ready yet.
Once it is ready, then it is time to look for larger investments (like millions of usd in one shot), then the mainstream (whatever market share it means).
hero member
Activity: 768
Merit: 505
July 16, 2015, 10:06:10 AM
I am buying it but it is important to let the other people to buy it as well..
I do not want this to be only our coin but we want to embrace a lot of new adoption.

The site should be marketed (or spammed if you do not want to be politically correct) right (perhaps some google ads? send hints to mainstream media, get articles to big news papers - that could lead even a news story on TV - who knows).

One step after the other... let us first have a proper stable product before anything else.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
July 16, 2015, 09:55:59 AM
I am buying it but it is important to let the other people to buy it as well..
I do not want this to be only our coin but we want to embrace a lot of new adoption.

The site should be marketed (or spammed if you do not want to be politically correct) right (perhaps some google ads? send hints to mainstream media, get articles to big news papers - that could lead even a news story on TV - who knows).
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
July 16, 2015, 08:59:30 AM
Buying XMR is cheaper than mining directly for most people.I buy  XMR so that my money will go longer.
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
July 16, 2015, 08:40:40 AM

Even though there is no red all caps  UNDER CONSTRUCTION  all over, it does not change the fact. Don't share it until it's ready. (Buy XMR instead Wink )


Looks like moneroinvestment.com is rising little by little.
Now it is important to spam it everywhere, hint mainstream media of this opportunity (I've heard that even paid articles to financial newspapers can be purchased - this should attract the fiat money hands to Monero).

First of all "spamming" is uncool.  You may not mean to use that word, but you did.  Do not spam this anywhere.

Especially since there are errors in it.

Paragraph 4 on main page:
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If there is to be any kind of valuable usage for Monero’s in the future let alone realization of Monero’s full potential
The second use of an 's is correct.  The first is not.  For what it is worth I prefer the Anglicized version of the plural "Moneros" as opposed to the Esperanto "Moneroj".  I think the Esperanto NAME is cool... but I see no reason to use the language any further than that.  Kudos to the site creator.

http://moneroinvestment.com/?page_id=19  Final paragraph:
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If you are careful you do not necessarily want to store your Moneros in the stock from which you bough them.

This is a good site and a good presentation of the real value of Monero as compared to the sort of anoncoin darkmarket representation that is often jumped to by BCT folks.
hero member
Activity: 744
Merit: 500
July 16, 2015, 08:05:43 AM
Who`s selling 12k XMR (27 BTC value) on Polo?
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
July 16, 2015, 07:58:46 AM
Looks like moneroinvestment.com is rising little by little.
Now it is important to spam it everywhere, hint mainstream media of this opportunity (I've heard that even paid articles to financial newspapers can be purchased - this should attract the fiat money hands to Monero).

First of all "spamming" is uncool.  You may not mean to use that word, but you did.  Do not spam this anywhere.

Especially since there are errors in it.

Paragraph 4 on main page:
Quote
If there is to be any kind of valuable usage for Monero’s in the future let alone realization of Monero’s full potential
The second use of an 's is correct.  The first is not.  For what it is worth I prefer the Anglicized version of the plural "Moneros" as opposed to the Esperanto "Moneroj".  I think the Esperanto NAME is cool... but I see no reason to use the language any further than that.  Kudos to the site creator.

http://moneroinvestment.com/?page_id=19  Final paragraph:
Quote
If you are careful you do not necessarily want to store your Moneros in the stock from which you bough them.

This is a good site and a good presentation of the real value of Monero as compared to the sort of anoncoin darkmarket representation that is often jumped to by BCT folks.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
July 16, 2015, 07:44:42 AM
Looks like moneroinvestment.com is rising little by little.
Now it is important to spam it everywhere, hint mainstream media of this opportunity (I've heard that even paid articles to financial newspapers can be purchased - this should attract the fiat money hands to Monero).
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
July 16, 2015, 02:58:49 AM
Where can I find status of Monero development? Things like:

1) How many "core" devs are working on it, and who they are (handles, plus real-names/social-media where public)?
2) Roughly how much time per week/month these devs are spending on it.
3) What the dev roadmap is.
4) What the dev roadmap *was*, and were the milestones hit on-target.

^ You know, basic project management stuff. Looking at git commits only gives hints as to most of this.

pa's answer was pretty helpful on 1, 3, and 4. 4 may be a bit unsatisfying (I find it so) but given that we have to work with very unpredictable resources it is difficult to ever have timed milestones. So we never have and can't measure against them. That's just how it is.

As far as 2, it isn't formally tracked, but it's a reasonably significant amount of time for a mostly-unfunded open source project when you combine across the core team, the major development contributors, and the research group. I would estimate very roughly 2-3 full time equivalents  (varies somewhat unpredictably over time though), and by that I mean just software development and testing, and work on research reports, not the work we put into communications, third party support, etc.


Smooth - would you estimate that the bolded part is still roughly accurate?


Yes I would say that is roughly accurate. There may be slightly less now, but I'm not positive of that because the effort is a bit more diffuse and some major in-progress work may not be so visible. For example, I really had no idea the amazing scope of Noodle Doodle's benchmarking, debugging, and optimizing effort until his recent commit (though I did know he was working on it).

There has been a bunch of work from the MRL on various crypto things including: strengthening anonymization both against combinatorial attacks and better hiding of amounts along the lines of Blockstream's CT, continued analysis of the problem of difficulty retargeting, and upgraded python implementations of more of the crypto.

On the C++ coding side we have NoodleDoodle's massive effort of course. MoneroMooo has been contributing more as well, mostly on a various wallet things (and his work will be now be funded for several months via the forum crowdfunding system), and let's not forget luigi1111's great work to define and implement integrated addresses. I know oranjuice is continuing to work on the API upgrade. I don't see commits (possibly I'm looking the wrong place) for it but he is regularly on #monero-dev discussing it.

So it is interesting that some people who previously put in a lot more work have been busy with other things and putting in less time recently, but others are now contributing to the development effort, and the overall effort fairly stable (that is also visible in the commit rate over the past 6-9 months, although that is an imperfect measure and doesn't include some things at all, such as most of the MRL work).



legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1004
July 15, 2015, 04:49:23 PM
Where can I find status of Monero development? Things like:

1) How many "core" devs are working on it, and who they are (handles, plus real-names/social-media where public)?
2) Roughly how much time per week/month these devs are spending on it.
3) What the dev roadmap is.
4) What the dev roadmap *was*, and were the milestones hit on-target.

^ You know, basic project management stuff. Looking at git commits only gives hints as to most of this.

pa's answer was pretty helpful on 1, 3, and 4. 4 may be a bit unsatisfying (I find it so) but given that we have to work with very unpredictable resources it is difficult to ever have timed milestones. So we never have and can't measure against them. That's just how it is.

As far as 2, it isn't formally tracked, but it's a reasonably significant amount of time for a mostly-unfunded open source project when you combine across the core team, the major development contributors, and the research group. I would estimate very roughly 2-3 full time equivalents  (varies somewhat unpredictably over time though), and by that I mean just software development and testing, and work on research reports, not the work we put into communications, third party support, etc.


Smooth - would you estimate that the bolded part is still roughly accurate?
k99
sr. member
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Manfred Karrer
July 15, 2015, 03:25:33 PM
Bitsquare once its released (in a few weeks beta starts) will support Bitcoin - Monero exchange as well. It is primary a decentralized Bitcoin - Fiat exchange but was recently extended to support altcoins as well.
IN that video you can see the way how its integrated:
https://bitsquare.io/blog/bitsquare-v0-4-payment-methods-and-arbitrtion-system/
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
July 15, 2015, 03:10:16 PM
https://xstock.io/

is this the fiat exchange the people have been talking about?

moneroinvestment.com recommends this, but there is no xmr market there yet  Cheesy

what is it


The only problem I see there is this is one more multicurrency exchange.
sr. member
Activity: 453
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hello world
July 15, 2015, 02:54:32 PM
could it be....our new...home? will sure test it once its really up and running. lets see, i am definetely curious Smiley

still it seems somehow suspicious to me...

2% fee? sounds good to me at least

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X-Stock charges 2% fee on every trade.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
July 15, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
https://xstock.io/

is this the fiat exchange the people have been talking about?

moneroinvestment.com recommends this, but there is no xmr market there yet  Cheesy

what is it

I see XMR mentioned here:
https://xstock.io/wiki
sr. member
Activity: 453
Merit: 500
hello world
July 15, 2015, 02:47:05 PM
https://xstock.io/

is this the fiat exchange the people have been talking about?

moneroinvestment.com recommends this, but there is no xmr market there yet  Cheesy

what is it
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
July 15, 2015, 01:34:02 PM
Is there any news of the GUI? Haven't heard about this in months, but admittedly, I didn't follow this thread as close as I used to do...  Undecided

There are various pieces that are needed as prerequisites for the GUI including improving the core APIs. That work has been steadily progressing (mostly by oranjuice), but doesn't have a high degree of visibility. It is the kind of nuts-and-bolts work that is absolutely necessary to turn the half-finished prototype we started with into a maintainable project that can thrive for many years.

Getting the DB into a release-ready state has also been considered an effective prerequisite for a useful GUI as well since very few people would ever use a GUI with multi gigabyte RAM requirements (on servers it is less of an issue but there people tend to be happy with cli or even prefer it).

My expectation is that once the DB is released there will start to be much more visible progress on the GUI.
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