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July 10, 2015, 05:46:46 AM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

B. Whats the minimum amount of Moneros one would need to see a real wealth increase if/when Monero really takes off?
 
For A, consider that a total of 1,645 people made the 2014 billionaire list.  If you start to include too many seats at the table, the term whale loses definition.  So, I would say if you divide a currency up into blocks of 1/1000 and you own at least that much, you can safely be considered a whale.  For Monero, that means you need about 20,000 Monero to consider yourself a whale.  
  
If you somehow own 1% or greater?  200,000 Monero?  
  
Well Holy shit, that might need a new nautical term.  I think that crypto will be the first (one of the first) times in history when individuals will own *percentages* of an entire currency.  That's a level of rich an entire magnitude above 'whale'.  
  
For B, does it really matter?  Monero in 2025 is either worth a fantastic amount or essentially nothing.  I obviously believe it will be the former, but I'm not immune to human error.  But if it 'takes off', you are looking at thousands to tens of thousands of dollars in today's USD purchasing power per Monero.  That means that even 1,000 Monero (the cost of a PS4) will make you wealthy if this experiment succeeds.
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July 10, 2015, 05:14:23 AM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

B. Whats the minimum amount of Moneros one would need to see a real wealth increase if/when Monero really takes off?

Therefore I would say a whale is someone who owns minimum 1 million Moneros (like Satoshi in Bitcoin). The others are small fish species and "social climbers".


Behave...

Take the challenge.  Wink

There is no challenge, you're just talking waffle.

Owning 500k XMR and being able to clear the bidside several times over. Is now considered 'fish species'
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July 10, 2015, 05:10:49 AM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

Does it really matter? Surely 'whale' is merely an ego-driven qualification, that pales in comparison to the profit and politics that XMR can potentially provide.

But if you're genuinely a lover of ego, then why not identify as 'smart mutha-fucker'.

After all, to be a whale involves an unknown number of XMR, whereas you only need 1 XMR to be considered a smart mutha-fucker... and the more XMR you accrue above this, the more you are considered a smart mutha-fucker.
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July 10, 2015, 05:06:27 AM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

B. Whats the minimum amount of Moneros one would need to see a real wealth increase if/when Monero really takes off?

Therefore I would say a whale is someone who owns minimum 1 million Moneros (like Satoshi in Bitcoin). The others are small fish species and "social climbers".


Behave...

Take the challenge.  Wink
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July 10, 2015, 04:52:45 AM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

B. Whats the minimum amount of Moneros one would need to see a real wealth increase if/when Monero really takes off?

Therefore I would say a whale is someone who owns minimum 1 million Moneros (like Satoshi in Bitcoin). The others are small fish species and "social climbers".


Behave...
legendary
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July 10, 2015, 03:47:55 AM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

B. Whats the minimum amount of Moneros one would need to see a real wealth increase if/when Monero really takes off?

A) As more Moneros have been mined, the limit of a whale need to be increased. Therefore I would say a whale is someone who owns minimum 1 million Moneros (like Satoshi in Bitcoin). The others are small fish species and "social climbers".

B) When Risto starts writing posts about investing in Moneros, it is surprisingly few Moners that are needed for a position in new elite. I would say, 5 000 usd invested in Monero will be enough to get some kind of status in Risto's predictions (it might be 5 Moneros if 1 xmr costs 1000 usd or 10 000 xmr if one xmr costs 0.50 usd like nowdays).
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July 10, 2015, 03:35:24 AM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

B. Whats the minimum amount of Moneros one would need to see a real wealth increase if/when Monero really takes off?

A. Your own opinion is as good as anyone else's.

B. See A, but I do think that "really takes off" could be 10K-100K USD/XMR. In an extreme outlier case it could be higher. No I'm not predicting this but stating the possibility.


vgo
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July 10, 2015, 02:17:57 AM
More dumpity dump??   Roll Eyes

not really.

Try with Bitcoinwisdom.  Wink



Waiting 0.0016.

Is that the price at which you plan to come gloat?  Roll Eyes


It depends on the number of "400k supporting walls" at that time.  Roll Eyes

Push! Push!
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July 09, 2015, 09:50:06 PM


Let me improve on that meme and use the other esperanto-term that has come up in this topic:



or, in Esperanto:
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July 09, 2015, 09:36:04 PM
A. How many Moneros would it take to be considered a whale?

B. Whats the minimum amount of Moneros one would need to see a real wealth increase if/when Monero really takes off?

A. I've seen 30k - 80k XMR walls on poloniex and people referred to them as "whale dumps" or "whale action", so in the 10's of thousands.

B. Lets assume bitcoin provides some sort of valuation roadmap. If XMR ever hit bitcoin parity, then you'd need

(real wealth increase) / (current value of bitcoin) = (minimum amount of monero)
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July 09, 2015, 09:15:50 PM
Well, I would agree that the difference in lifestyle between a billionaire and a millionaire is probably less significant than between a millionaire and a thousandaire.  
  
However, perhaps you have never tasted wealth.  
  
Let me tell you what happens, believe it or not.  At first, it feels just as you would expect it to.  Amazing...  Miraculous...  Magical...  You can't believe this is really happening to you.  
  
This feeling lasts for months.  Then, it begins to dull.  This isn't wealth anymore.  This is just life.  You deserve these things and are used to them.  
  
For example, let me assume you are currently middle class.  Imagine suddenly moving to a trailer park and living off of microwave dinners with a beat up jalopy car...  That is how you will slowly come to view your *current* middle class existence...  Basically, you won't want to go back.  Also, you will bore of the luxuries that wealth brings.  When life turns into a permanent vacation of booze, beaches, shopping, and gorgeous women, you initially think that you won't need anything else.  
  
But over time you will begin to suspect that many of the friends you make only hang out with you because of your money and status (because it's true) and you will find that swimming in the trappings of wealth is an ultimately hollow existence.  You will begin to crave more power and influence, and begin thinking of ways to leave your mark on the world.  After all, you are so great right?  Shouldn't you do something or build something really big?  It's not about survival or comfort anymore...  It's about mattering in the grand cosmic scheme.  
  
And you know what?  A billionaire can do a fuck of a lot more to finance mega projects than a millionaire can.  This is why people aren't happy stopping at millionaire.  
  
The human mind is wired to always look upward towards the next rung of the ladder, and when you finally find your wealth, you will too.

You've excellently articulated this concept. You maybe underestimate how people would be content with drinking, rich food and prostitutes till they kick the bucket, but I think any half intelligent person quickly becomes restless with the banality of hedonism.

I only partially agree: people will indeed be used to the wealth within a matter of a few years (at max). But I don't think everyone will be looking upwards at that moment. I for one think I'll just plan it all out. With about 1.5 - 2 Million in today's purchasing power, it's possible to retire early (assuming being 30 and living till 80) and just live an easy life. reading books, exploring the world with a backpack, doing fun things that are not too costly. enjoying life basically, without extravaganza.

Assuming you are able to keep your capital from loosing value (so keeping it stable in an inflationary environment) and having 1500000 M to live of during 50 years, you can hand yourself a "wage" of 2500 per month. Not bad, but not big either.
Save for your trips, read (or try to write) books, hang out with friends, learn esperanto, maybe try to program, mentor people, give some of your time to the local homeless center, ... in between and just enjoy life Smiley
Your only "job" will be monitoring your capital and making sure it doesn't loose value. You'll need to have the discipline to not spend it all though.


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July 09, 2015, 09:15:05 PM
I think it's possible that the pump going on in LTC/NMC/PPC will spill over to XMR soon.

Anyway participating in the pump is too late. Much rather hold XMR at these levels.

 ltc, nmc, ppc are pumped by btc-e. Monero is not listed on Btc-e, so there won't be any pump soon

Everyone should keep asking BTC-e (and BTC38) to add Monero.

I have sent messages to these exchanges and more. Have you?

The more community members that ask for a coin to be added the better

Maybe post an email address or link to contact form in order to make it easier for people to ask them.  

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I hope everyone who supports XMR will contact all the major exchanges and ask them to add us.

The more exchanges we have the more liquidity and exposure we get

Cryptsy keeps saying they will add XMR as well but they have taken a year already since it was high on voting list.....

Please keep asking exchanges to add us. Remind them of our potential trading volume and unique features
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July 09, 2015, 07:47:43 PM
I think it's possible that the pump going on in LTC/NMC/PPC will spill over to XMR soon.

Anyway participating in the pump is too late. Much rather hold XMR at these levels.

 ltc, nmc, ppc are pumped by btc-e. Monero is not listed on Btc-e, so there won't be any pump soon

Everyone should keep asking BTC-e (and BTC38) to add Monero.

I have sent messages to these exchanges and more. Have you?

The more community members that ask for a coin to be added the better

Maybe post an email address or link to contact form in order to make it easier for people to ask them.  
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July 09, 2015, 07:36:15 PM
anyone buying this dump?

Cost averaging is a good idea. Tops and bottoms are hard to predict but I do like current prices a lot
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July 09, 2015, 07:28:23 PM
I think it's possible that the pump going on in LTC/NMC/PPC will spill over to XMR soon.

Anyway participating in the pump is too late. Much rather hold XMR at these levels.

 ltc, nmc, ppc are pumped by btc-e. Monero is not listed on Btc-e, so there won't be any pump soon

Everyone should keep asking BTC-e (and BTC38) to add Monero.

I have sent messages to these exchanges and more. Have you?

The more community members that ask for a coin to be added the better
hero member
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July 09, 2015, 06:35:24 PM
I think it's possible that the pump going on in LTC/NMC/PPC will spill over to XMR soon.

Anyway participating in the pump is too late. Much rather hold XMR at these levels.

 ltc, nmc, ppc are pumped by btc-e. Monero is not listed on Btc-e, so there won't be any pump soon
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July 09, 2015, 05:48:07 PM


 Grin

This did make me laugh.

Definitely haven't just been sitting here though. My pile of btc to buy XMR whenever I feel that time may be is certainly much larger though.

If anything this is a lesson about being diversified. Not just in different asset classes, stocks, crypto, property, gold/silver etc but also within certain cryptos. I do feel for anyone who is 100% BTC/XMR atm.
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July 09, 2015, 05:19:03 PM
anyone buying this dump?
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July 09, 2015, 04:39:30 PM
I think it's possible that the pump going on in LTC/NMC/PPC will spill over to XMR soon.

Anyway participating in the pump is too late. Much rather hold XMR at these levels.
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July 09, 2015, 04:38:05 PM


It's exactly what I'm doing, while people are out celebrating the rally on the bigbrother blockchains, I'm counting XMR.
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