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legendary
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July 02, 2015, 08:27:29 AM
I find it hard to believe that the dumps during the last month are part of manipulation. There was some case for manipulation during the quick rise (especially from 0.003 to 0.0043) and also with the big dump that broke the support line in 0.0028.

But now? Nah.

It is quite evident that we are sitting on a floor, with dumps quite quickly bought up. If normal market action leads somebody to sell, the pressure continues. If the floor (roughly around 0.0018) breaks, I am not holding my breath to see 0.001 again, but 0.0015 is a possibility.

The leveraged longs are causing some caution, not that I would believe they are prone to be liquidated but some of them might be eager to sell, which is muting the upside.

Also the bid volume is not very robust.

On the other hand, the fiat exchanges are coming online soon, and this will cause upside pressure.

Which fiat exchange are you talking about?
donator
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July 02, 2015, 07:51:57 AM
I find it hard to believe that the dumps during the last month are part of manipulation. There was some case for manipulation during the quick rise (especially from 0.003 to 0.0043) and also with the big dump that broke the support line in 0.0028.

But now? Nah.

It is quite evident that we are sitting on a floor, with dumps quite quickly bought up. If normal market action leads somebody to sell, the pressure continues. If the floor (roughly around 0.0018) breaks, I am not holding my breath to see 0.001 again, but 0.0015 is a possibility.

The leveraged longs are causing some caution, not that I would believe they are prone to be liquidated but some of them might be eager to sell, which is muting the upside.

Also the bid volume is not very robust.

On the other hand, the fiat exchanges are coming online soon, and this will cause upside pressure.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
July 02, 2015, 07:09:57 AM
More dumpity dump??   Roll Eyes

not really.

Try with Bitcoinwisdom.  Wink



Waiting 0.0016.

Is that the price at which you plan to come gloat?  Roll Eyes
legendary
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July 02, 2015, 04:29:22 AM
More dumpity dump??   Roll Eyes

not really.

Try with Bitcoinwisdom.  Wink



Waiting 0.0016.

1-day XMR chart shows dumping stalactites going back a month without any chance of buy-back. Pretty much all major dumpages within this period for the purposes of market manipulation has been a failure.


On the other hand, the lending rates of Monero is in race to the bottom.
This means, if the dump comes, there is no shorts that need to be filled which makes the dump even more severe.
hero member
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July 02, 2015, 04:18:16 AM
More dumpity dump??   Roll Eyes

not really.

Try with Bitcoinwisdom.  Wink



Waiting 0.0016.

1-day XMR chart shows dumping stalactites going back a month without any chance of buy-back. Pretty much all major dumpages within this period for the purposes of market manipulation has been a failure.
vgo
legendary
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July 02, 2015, 03:35:32 AM
More dumpity dump??   Roll Eyes

not really.

Try with Bitcoinwisdom.  Wink



Waiting 0.0016.
legendary
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July 02, 2015, 03:08:52 AM
The market psychology in my opinion has two alternatives now:

-It could build a base and a long-waited whale comes and brings the price higher
-It could make the bagholders bags heavier and therefore in order to encourage new buying from the bagholders, the price must adjust down.

Even holding the support level we need new buying taking place all the time not to mention to rise the price.
legendary
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monero
July 02, 2015, 02:58:09 AM
More dumpity dump??   Roll Eyes

not really.
vgo
legendary
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July 02, 2015, 02:26:05 AM
More dumpity dump??   Roll Eyes
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
July 01, 2015, 06:57:02 AM

LTC does two things, and does them well.  Primarily, it acts as the main (IE high market cap/volume) hot-swappable backup/failover chain to BTC.  Secondly, as BTC load tend towards capacity, LTC's 4x more rapid blocks are thus the most natural place for overflow tx.  (LTC is also most suitable for cross-chain mixing, but that function is arguably subsumed by the previous points.)

LTC is DoneTM and now in maintenance mode, sparing it from Blocksize Missile Crisis type situations.  Doesn't hurt that it was made by the eminently respectable coblee and enjoys the 2nd highest degree of ASIC-facilitated network security either.

Monero is THE altcoin other than bitcoin.

Something can have a less than 50% chance of success AND still be a GREAT investment on the basis of EV or expected ROI.

For a simple example if I thought ABC had a 90% chance of being worth zero (100% loss) in 3 years but a 10% chance of gaining 20,000% I would buy a lot of it.

For the sake of consistency let's recognize the above quoted reasoning also applies to LTC, in a form amplified by its longer track record and greater network effects.

Eastwind's assertion is not verifiably true given objective market conditions.  It makes logical sense to us Mustangs, but let's not overly delude ourselves in the reprehensibly absurd manner of circle-jerking Dash cultists.  What's next, herding us off BTCT to a private mustangs-only echo chamber forum?   Wink
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
July 01, 2015, 06:27:20 AM
Lack of ANC github activity has caused me to lose hope of any Zerocoin implementation. CryptoNote exists, the future is now. #XMR #BBR

Tweeted to 1000+ followers

Welcome to Monero Mountain, home of the Wild & FreeTM mustangs!

May I suggest on-boarding your followers via fluffypony's excellent introduction?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVm1dMn5Ks
legendary
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Want privacy? Use Monero!
July 01, 2015, 06:12:01 AM
wasn't maxwell here because of that?

no seriously, it's sad those comments get burried so fast. but the real discussion about this was/is in the gold collapsing-bitcoin up thread anyway. monero was not mentioned too often, but everyone was thinking about it for sure Wink

i still dont know the truth, i think only a few know. if its really possible to have a real functioning RSSC without telling what goes in an out? how will it be secured? how pegged if at all? so many questions, i better just stay with monero Grin

if tptb_need_war makes an RS coin i will maybe buy some too

Glad to see the term "RSSC" catch on Tongue
legendary
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Want privacy? Use Monero!
July 01, 2015, 05:51:33 AM
Quote
Bitcoins—a highly traceable digital currency

Bitcoin - a trojan horse with monero inside

Just let it past the gates and see what happens.

Just pitch it to bill gates and see what happens.
sr. member
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July 01, 2015, 05:47:48 AM
Lack of ANC github activity has caused me to lose hope of any Zerocoin implementation. CryptoNote exists, the future is now. #XMR #BBR

Tweeted to 1000+ followers

Thanks for that tweet, I think you're right. Zerocoin is a great concept, but will not be a competitor for a long time.

Monero is here today and fully functioning (and active, and lively). It is currently (and will be for a long time) the main candidate for the anon-niche. 
hero member
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July 01, 2015, 05:31:42 AM

This makes sense. Picking the right coins (that will fill a market need and survive) is infinitely more important than finding the right entry point. 99.9% of alt coins will eventually fail (I believe that) but those that succeed with eventually assume an appropriate money supply for the market they serve.

This is the reason why I care much more about development and innovation than price.

The chance of Monero failing is actually pretty high (this is not meant to be an insult).  I still really like it because the potential reward if it does succeed is so incredible. Cryptonote is the best tech that exists today. Of the cryptonote coins with a fair emission schedule, Monero is the leader in terms of community involvement and development of supporting services.  

Monero is THE altcoin other than bitcoin.

I agree. It is now my favorite alt as well.

I am basically agreeing with some prior comments of rpietila. Something can have a less than 50% chance of success AND still be a GREAT investment on the basis of EV or expected ROI.

For a simple example if I thought ABC had a 90% chance of being worth zero (100% loss) in 3 years but a 10% chance of gaining 20,000% I would buy a lot of it.

You should be agreeing with Risto because Monero is Risto's coin.
I know some people may get offended about my statement but it is the truth largerly and sometimes truth hurts.  Wink

It's not the truth though.

It's like saying Bitcoin is Erik Voorhees' coin.
legendary
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July 01, 2015, 05:26:17 AM

This makes sense. Picking the right coins (that will fill a market need and survive) is infinitely more important than finding the right entry point. 99.9% of alt coins will eventually fail (I believe that) but those that succeed with eventually assume an appropriate money supply for the market they serve.

This is the reason why I care much more about development and innovation than price.

The chance of Monero failing is actually pretty high (this is not meant to be an insult).  I still really like it because the potential reward if it does succeed is so incredible. Cryptonote is the best tech that exists today. Of the cryptonote coins with a fair emission schedule, Monero is the leader in terms of community involvement and development of supporting services.  

Monero is THE altcoin other than bitcoin.

I agree. It is now my favorite alt as well.

I am basically agreeing with some prior comments of rpietila. Something can have a less than 50% chance of success AND still be a GREAT investment on the basis of EV or expected ROI.

For a simple example if I thought ABC had a 90% chance of being worth zero (100% loss) in 3 years but a 10% chance of gaining 20,000% I would buy a lot of it.

You should be agreeing with Risto because Monero is Risto's coin.
I know some people may get offended about my statement but it is the truth largerly and sometimes truth hurts.  Wink
full member
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July 01, 2015, 05:02:57 AM

This makes sense. Picking the right coins (that will fill a market need and survive) is infinitely more important than finding the right entry point. 99.9% of alt coins will eventually fail (I believe that) but those that succeed with eventually assume an appropriate money supply for the market they serve.

This is the reason why I care much more about development and innovation than price.

The chance of Monero failing is actually pretty high (this is not meant to be an insult).  I still really like it because the potential reward if it does succeed is so incredible. Cryptonote is the best tech that exists today. Of the cryptonote coins with a fair emission schedule, Monero is the leader in terms of community involvement and development of supporting services.  

Monero is THE altcoin other than bitcoin.

I agree. It is now my favorite alt as well.

I am basically agreeing with some prior comments of rpietila. Something can have a less than 50% chance of success AND still be a GREAT investment on the basis of EV or expected ROI.

For a simple example if I thought ABC had a 90% chance of being worth zero (100% loss) in 3 years but a 10% chance of gaining 20,000% I would buy a lot of it.
hero member
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July 01, 2015, 04:48:51 AM

This makes sense. Picking the right coins (that will fill a market need and survive) is infinitely more important than finding the right entry point. 99.9% of alt coins will eventually fail (I believe that) but those that succeed with eventually assume an appropriate money supply for the market they serve.

This is the reason why I care much more about development and innovation than price.

The chance of Monero failing is actually pretty high (this is not meant to be an insult).  I still really like it because the potential reward if it does succeed is so incredible. Cryptonote is the best tech that exists today. Of the cryptonote coins with a fair emission schedule, Monero is the leader in terms of community involvement and development of supporting services. 

Monero is THE altcoin other than bitcoin.
full member
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July 01, 2015, 04:34:45 AM
Don't sell your coins to early when a bubble happens, just look at the % gains LTC made in 2013.

It is the "sticky price" phenomenon that has previously manifested itself in "trading ranges". When the price or exchange rate is relatively steady for a longer time (let's say 2 months), the market participants start to "enforce" it in their trades, refusing to buy higher or sell lower.

With BTC, we had the original electricity cost era of <$0.01, then the $1 before the bubble in 2011, the next one was at $5 and then about $10 later in 2012, then some at $120 in 2013, and now $220ish. Each time the price held its ground a "long" time after fundamentals already warranted a rise, and when the rise finally began, it often overshoot.

The trading range I originally prescribed to Monero in May 2014, was BTC0.002-0.004. The prediction was not bad at all, if you look at the reality during the year. Now we are at the lower end of the range, with a project that is still alive with all the major contributors.

Trading ranges with sticky prices tend to make people incredibly myopic - they start to seriously regard 0.0017 as cheap and 0.0023 as expensive. The logarithmic nature of price increase is all but forgotten, until it happens, taking all by surprise.

Both 0.0017, 0.0023, 0.01 and even 0.1 are cheap if Monero makes it. (If it does not, there is no difference how many monero you have in your bag which is worth $0 anyway.)

Yes it is summer and the mood in the markets is according. I don't forecast a quick rise in price before new money comes. There are some signs of price stickiness around Wink








This makes sense. Picking the right coins (that will fill a market need and survive) is infinitely more important than finding the right entry point. 99.9% of alt coins will eventually fail (I believe that) but those that succeed with eventually assume an appropriate money supply for the market they serve.

This is the reason why I care much more about development and innovation than price.

The chance of Monero failing is actually pretty high (this is not meant to be an insult).  I still really like it because the potential reward if it does succeed is so incredible. Cryptonote is the best tech that exists today. Of the cryptonote coins with a fair emission schedule, Monero is the leader in terms of community involvement and development of supporting services. 
legendary
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July 01, 2015, 04:15:20 AM
Don't sell your coins to early when a bubble happens, just look at the % gains LTC made in 2013.

It is the "sticky price" phenomenon that has previously manifested itself in "trading ranges". When the price or exchange rate is relatively steady for a longer time (let's say 2 months), the market participants start to "enforce" it in their trades, refusing to buy higher or sell lower.

With BTC, we had the original electricity cost era of <$0.01, then the $1 before the bubble in 2011, the next one was at $5 and then about $10 later in 2012, then some at $120 in 2013, and now $220ish. Each time the price held its ground a "long" time after fundamentals already warranted a rise, and when the rise finally began, it often overshoot.

The trading range I originally prescribed to Monero in May 2014, was BTC0.002-0.004. The prediction was not bad at all, if you look at the reality during the year. Now we are at the lower end of the range, with a project that is still alive with all the major contributors.

Trading ranges with sticky prices tend to make people incredibly myopic - they start to seriously regard 0.0017 as cheap and 0.0023 as expensive. The logarithmic nature of price increase is all but forgotten, until it happens, taking all by surprise.

Both 0.0017, 0.0023, 0.01 and even 0.1 are cheap if Monero makes it. (If it does not, there is no difference how many monero you have in your bag which is worth $0 anyway.)

Yes it is summer and the mood in the markets is according. I don't forecast a quick rise in price before new money comes. There are some signs of price stickiness around Wink


Definetely a good thing to have some kind of stickness.. However, I am not so certain yet that we couldn't go lower from the current price.
The previous stickness was 0.001-0.0012 area for a few months so chances are we might actually test those as well. I am not saying it will happen but there are some chances for it.
Fundamentally, the whales have quit accumulation and there is no new whales in the horizon. Also a whale may not want to buy coins at too high price but sell at high instead so most likely a whales prefer swimming in the deep dark waters.

I agree that if Monero makes it, the price of 0.1 btc is a bargain. After all, 0.1 btc is only 26 usd. and then the marketcap with current emission is 215 million usd. That's quite small for a currency.
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