Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 2121. (Read 3314316 times)

There seems to be 2 sides of something has to be done.  One has only upside, no negative consequences.  That is development of the software and development of the network around it.  It was my understanding that that was the vision for creating MEW.  Donating to the devs and working on adoption as well.  The donating has been done.

TrueCryptonaire I believe I suggested a while ago that you donate to the devs via the Monero Community Hall of Fame, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/monero-community-hall-of-fame-700400

It was started by rpietila.  Agree or disagree with his stance on the emissions change it must be admitted that he has put his creative energies into Monero. 

The love you take is equal to the love you make, The Beatles.

If they gave them to you, they are probably reading this thread.

You could evangelize 3-5 people outside of crypto and donate some to them (web wallet will be much better for new people).

While I try hard and get some 0.5 XMR per week from mining and a few from converting the sig campaign, some just get lucky.
I envy you, but you seem a nice guy so I guess that you actually deserve them.

Good luck and enjoy the ride

I would really like to know who sent me the huge amount of Monero, at the very least let me thank you! PM's are fine if you want to remain semi-anon.

The MEW is the organ of voting exactly for the reason that here people like you who have no stake at all in the game (except perhaps on the other side of the table) can speak however much you want and be taken (about) as seriously as any anonymous person with a bit longer forum history.

It is called "put up or shut up principle" 

I am perhaps repeating myself but don't you think something has to be done?
Unless nothing will be done I am sure you will be able to buy coins even lower than the current pricing - then I am not sure if it is worth of buying anymore if the coin becomes insignificiant.
I remind that there are other coins in alt markets too.
Also I am not so sure if the trolls are the ones who decide which coin success or not - the factor that defines if a coin is successful or not is the number of adoption - prefertably outside of bitcointalk.org and even better - outside the crypto.
When a person who decide to where invest, most do not even consider a coin that has marketvalue of few million usd since it is not currency, it is just a way to make payments. Relatively compared to other cryptos it might be decent (among top 15) but from the perspective of non-crypto minded it is nothing - and there are plenty of coins to choose from among the few million dollar marketcaps (or sub).
Also I am not convinced if a coin which has some changes made in the emission related issues will be neglected by the future users/investors.

Just my 2 moneros.

Somewhat. The extent of BCN/CN involvement with the non-BCN clone coins including Monero was not known at the time, so it wasn't possible to evaluate the effect of that involvement and/or interference.


I'm not any of the whales but my opinion has never changed despite price. The previous discussion on the topic happened at a much higher price if I recall. Maybe some people were under water even then (who bought on the Mintpal pump for example) but I was not one of them (I sold to the Mintpal pumpers).


 

Regardless of the poll numbers, a rough consensus (that the possible benefits of slower emission are outweighed by the 100% certain loss of trust resulting from breaking the social contract) did emerge from the discussion on that and other threads, which is why the emission wasn't changed.

And the debate did die down for a few months, until a little bit of mean reversion caused a whale with delusions of grandeur to freak out and demand Something Be Done^TM.

No, I'm giving my opinion that there was ballot stuffing of vastly larger magnitude than honest participation. I can't prove it, but that is my opinion.

Furthermore, I never supported (nor support) the idea of a bitcointalk "poll" as a meaningful method of actual voting.

The poll was created by TFT who almost certainly was a BCN shill or associated in some manner with the BCN/CN scam operation.

Does a voter in the poll have to agree with you to be considered a "legitimate stakeholder?"   

Is this like the EU referendums where a country will have to keep on voting until they get the right (IE Pro Brussels) result?   

Regardless of the poll numbers, a rough consensus (that the possible benefits of slower emission are outweighed by the 100% certain loss of trust resulting from breaking the social contract) did emerge from the discussion on that and other threads, which is why the emission wasn't changed.

And the debate did die down for a few months, until a little bit of mean reversion caused a whale with delusions of grandeur to freak out and demand Something Be Done^TM.

This isn't the area for this post, but since I put my XMR address here yesterday I'm hoping to find a specific person...

Yesterday/today someone sent me what I would be consider to be a very large amount of coins to just giveaway. If you sent me greater than 30 XMR recently can you please post or PM me your XMR address AND how many coins you sent me (proof it was you). I'm going to conduct my first send transaction and I may as well send some of your coins back to you

By the way, super THANKS for all that XMR. I hate to admit this, but that XMR "tip" just doubled my current XMR investment as I learn how it all works

Honestly I didn't vote for 2 reasons. 1 I wasn't holding yet and 2 I still don't really grasp the concept enough to feel capable of making an informed decision (and I'm too lazy to research it).


Ohh and not to beat a dead horse but I think it would be a good idea to think about releasing the wallet as a binary so as to keep it monero specific. Before you people flame me on this take some time to think of the various ramifications of both release methods.

Honestly that poll was a joke. There were very likely not 42 legitimate stakeholders at the time. More like 10-20 plus BCN-controlled sock puppets.

The emission debate did die out months ago, with a better than rough consensus that the possible benefits of slower emission are outweighed by the 100% certain loss of trust resulting from breaking the social contract:


The debate was only revived due to the recent drop in BTC and XMR prices causing whale panic attacks.

Good point about other BBR already offering slower emission.  How about the MEW dumps their XMR, changes to become the BEW, and leaves us alone?   

let us all be cool here this is not the darkcoin thread - if and really if it is a matter of 3 months to have a working gui and the database issue solved we should definetely stick to the emission curve, if it takes for whatever reasons a year we should change.

looking at smooth post I think the answer is clear regarding this issue.

^^^This kind of stuff is why I don't join self-important harmless-at-best granfalloons like the BTC Foundation and your MEW.

You knew the emission curve when you bought and it is not fair to change the rules in the middle of game.

Since you are demonizing, I will up the ante and psychologize:

Please take a vacation for the remainder of the low phase of your manic depressive cycle.  And don't forget your crazy pills!

Monero is only six months old and not even complete; it's far too early to panic because you're getting cold feet and going off the rails (again).

The emission will not be changed merely to assuage your desire for a short-term pump attempt.

You are hereby relieved of your duties as the CEO Of Monero until such time as you regain your composure and stop creating unhealthy controversial FUD about the settled issue of (main body, non-tailend) emission.

If you want out, feel free to dump at a loss into my stronger hands.   

I sure hope so.  XMR under .002 is cheap IMO.

Knowing we're very close to a released DB implementation, and reasonably close to a GUI should explain part of it, too. (+ multisigs being worked on, with a design unseen yet in cryptos!).
We haven't seen any tangible improvements to the code being officially merged&released since months, so when the significant stuff everybody's been waiting for finally get "real", it must have an effect... As often part of the effect gets priced in shortly before the things are actually happening.
For sure the next couple of months is gonna be way more exciting than the last couple of months. 



Thanks for the "fresh" view. You're describing exactly what I would love to keep supporting.

Potential investor here with no skin in the game yet. Interesting debate. I have been following XMR from the early days, around the time Risto/Fluffy et al came on board.

Let me give an outsiders perspective.

All arguments for and against emission change are fascinating. Bottom line though is that interest and value have to be injected from new individuals to maintain and grow that value. Unfortunately the BTC market is in the dull-drowns at the moment, and many people (including me) are fed up with the altcoin market. The money flowing in has gone down to a trickle.  Its a stagnant market at the moment. If you believe in the premise of Crypto, than this will change. Once the overall sentiment does change, you want to make sure that XMR can present a strong case as a viable alternative in the niche. That is, development has been steady and active, and fundamental principles remain un altered (ie the coin remains untouched).

Any "quick fix" will be looked at negatively in the future. My advice is maintain things as they are, continue with development, continue gaining exposure, and the market will come to you when its ready. Personally, if I felt the Crypto market was headed for a rebound next week, XMR is the first coin I would buy up today.

There is too much uncertainty today overall,  but have a firm direction, implement all features, remain innovative, and when the clouds settle xmr will come out dry. Think long term instead of short term if this project is worth its weight.

minor edit

I see last days on Poloniex that sell orders are slowly melting down, for like half of daily emission per day. I am sure bitcoin growth helps, but i think it started happening before that.
Maybe this are last hours of Monero under 0.002 btc.
If BTC will go over $400 and stay there, that is most possible.