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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 778. (Read 3314330 times)

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April 14, 2017, 03:02:02 PM
I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I added about 10% to my holdings because of it...  So I am more excited than calm...

Always buy the dip  Grin
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
April 14, 2017, 03:00:06 PM
I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I added about 10% to my holdings because of it...  So I am more excited than calm...
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April 14, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I mean it doesn't say anything new. It's just zcash dev trying to shttalk monero
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April 14, 2017, 02:26:18 PM
I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

It's a propaganda piece. Clear as day.

The Zcash devs are most likely not even interested in any rebuttal.

The only purpose of the piece is to exist as an easy to remember URL that can be routinely dropped into conversations pertaining to XMR from a SNARKS perspective. The question that most fatigues the SNARK developers at conferences is "Is it better than Monero?" to which the obvious answer is actually "No, it's not." However as recent reports indicate, these type of questions are often smeared into oblivion with retorts such as "Monero is a bitcoin clone" and other opportunistic gems targeted for an audience who don't know better. The existence of an easy to remember URL that can dazzle aforementioned mindless targets is all that this piece is really intended to be.

And you can bet any money in the world, Joel Valenzuela (aka Ass Clown of the Year) is already tapping away at the keyboard preparing another follow up piece for the CoinTelegraph.
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April 14, 2017, 02:18:46 PM
Monero devs doing the hard research work for all the cryptoworld - the other coins steal it and FUD Monero - nothing new...  Monero is so much superior to every other coin that it is getting boring. BTW instant XMR transactions in Kasisto are coming soon. Actually so much super stuff is coming that every cent I have or mine is going to Monero.
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 02:18:28 PM
I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.

I think all the privacy concerns except one were made moot by the January 2017 RingCT hard fork. Have you taken a look at transactions using a Monero block explorer lately? Yes IP can possibly be linked to a transaction but that can be avoided easily using Tor or VPN and Kovri later this year will solve IP leakage permanently.
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 02:11:11 PM
I'm surprised you are all so calm about the paper.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
April 14, 2017, 02:08:19 PM
Days like today are why villages in the Sahel get potable water, girls in Chad get the opportunity of a quality primary education, and refugees fleeing war get legal assistance.

On their behalf, I express my thanks to nutildah, Miller, Möser, and the shorts.
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April 14, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
As being discussed on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/

"[–]yuvzst [score hidden] 19 minutes ago
Note this paper is written by Andrew Miller(Zerocoin Electric Coin Company ie Zcash).
First off this paper has misleading claims that "66% of inputs so far" have zero mixin. Inputs that had 0 mixin before it was mandatory in early 2016 can still use a mixin. This is not really a problem.
The triangular distribution is only a temporary solution for outputs and work is being done to change it. There are many people working on this https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1673
This paper has some good points but we already knew about these problems. This paper coinciding with the hardfork to spread fear today is very convenient..."



To add, see Fluffypony's tweet:

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/852932608577155072
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 12:56:55 PM
high count of nodes active ATM...  Everyone wants to watch the non-event in real time  Grin

All's well... here anyway.
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April 14, 2017, 12:50:03 PM
This is precisely why we should actively be fighting an XMR vs SNARK war and leave lesser 'competitors' to rot.

You mean we should be slagging off Zcash instead of slagging of Dash?

No. Forget about Zcash and forget about Dash. Dash is a lesser competitor that should be completely ignored, but Zcash now only exists to reimburse the Zcash developers for developing SNARKS. It has no prospects of longevity other than that.

At this point XMR's chief nemesis is an Ethereum-zkSNARKs alliance. Everything else is a lesser competitor.

That's where the guns should be pointed.
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April 14, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
in case anyone isnt up to date on why monero could have dipped down
https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/with_replies
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April 14, 2017, 12:36:45 PM
This is precisely why we should actively be fighting an XMR vs SNARK war and leave lesser 'competitors' to rot.
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 12:24:30 PM
high count of nodes active ATM...  Everyone wants to watch the non-event in real time  Grin
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Monero (XMR) - secure, private, untraceable
April 14, 2017, 12:18:22 PM
https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/852918816455655425

what a scam! U druggies should have better invested into non criminal coins like LTC!

That's quite a claim.  Didn't see any sort of links to evidence though.
That's the paper link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B59AisMv54waZXRhbE9GV2NDQUE/view
Nothing new here on my opinion compared to what we already had for years in Monero research lab papers: https://lab.getmonero.org/
I didn't read all of this "Empirical Analysis" paper and I don't intend to, but all the bold claims there are known for years (Edit:and possible solutions too). It seems to me like pure FUD.
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April 14, 2017, 12:15:36 PM
As being discussed on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/

"[–]yuvzst [score hidden] 19 minutes ago
Note this paper is written by Andrew Miller(Zerocoin Electric Coin Company ie Zcash).
First off this paper has misleading claims that "66% of inputs so far" have zero mixin. Inputs that had 0 mixin before it was mandatory in early 2016 can still use a mixin. This is not really a problem.
The triangular distribution is only a temporary solution for outputs and work is being done to change it. There are many people working on this https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1673
This paper has some good points but we already knew about these problems. This paper coinciding with the hardfork to spread fear today is very convenient..."

legendary
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April 14, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/852918816455655425

what a scam! U druggies should have better invested into non criminal coins like LTC!

That's quite a claim.  Didn't see any sort of links to evidence though.
newbie
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April 14, 2017, 11:54:19 AM
https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/852918816455655425

what a scam! U druggies should have better invested into non criminal coins like LTC!
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 02:15:43 AM
it's great news. I'm so glad to hear that.

the leader of the future, privacy will continue to innovate. Smiley

Is this still mooo's stolen account? Doesn't sound very moneromooo to go full shillleader :p

https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/master/src/uibase.cpp#L1573

tl;dr: Satoshi made Bitcoin out of a poker lobby.

Good thing he didn't use MTG software. Cheesy

BTW guys great arb opportunity between polo usdt and btc if anyone can take advantage right now.

Need to finish my Arbitrage bot - I'm too lazy to do it manually =) LOL
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
April 13, 2017, 09:15:49 PM
it's great news. I'm so glad to hear that.

the leader of the future, privacy will continue to innovate. Smiley

Is this still mooo's stolen account? Doesn't sound very moneromooo to go full shillleader :p

https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/master/src/uibase.cpp#L1573

tl;dr: Satoshi made Bitcoin out of a poker lobby.

Good thing he didn't use MTG software. Cheesy

BTW guys great arb opportunity between polo usdt and btc if anyone can take advantage right now.
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