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Quote from: FontSeli on August 23, 2020, 06:25:28 PM

...most likely ordinary players who do not have problems with gambling addiction will suffer.

I agree, especially those people that can take those losses ten or even maybe a hundred times the set cap by this regulation. I don't think they will be willing to face an ombudsman just to prove that they can take a loss since that might affect their persona negatively knowing that they are gambling like that and in that huge amount.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 22, 2020, 06:52:49 AM

Addiction of the gamblers isn't tolerable especially if they are always doing it. The government can't do anything to but to do things like this that can help these addicted gamblers lessen their addiction into it.

I'm thinking too if the regulation that the government will put into these gambling casinos will affect the tax that they are paying or not. Hmmmmmm but anyway this will be a great help for the gamblers but I doubt that all of them will agree with this move.

It seems to me that ordinary players who do not have an addiction and like to sometimes spend time playing, will suffer from such restrictions. A dependent person will always find ways to circumvent the restrictions and continue playing as much as they want. Forbidden fruit is sweet.

If that person could prove that losing some money would not be an issue and can easily manage after that as well then should not be worry. But for those who are form hand to mouth situation then yes those people will have some tough time as this is government decision and can be seen form both the sides.

As a rule, government decisions may not be ideal for everyone. Because people are different and gambling addiction is different for everyone. Therefore, they cannot meet the interests of absolutely everyone. Someone will be harmed in their own interests and, as is usually the case, most likely ordinary players who do not have problems with gambling addiction will suffer.

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Maybe that's good to regulate the gambling market, and provide user with the limit on spending. In reality this isn't that easy to calculate the ability of each users spending. This will cause more illegal ways of gambling. Right now what governments need to is, create proper documentation process and the necessity to be fulfilled. If any of the gambling platform doesn't meet the requirements just shut it.

Providing spending limit will not make the big gamblers happy about it.

The government has many ways to check those casinos if they are operating illegally, as for it, they want to put the focus on the gamblers not with the casinos for the spending limit.

They are looking to the spending habit and also, they will take down casinos that operates illegally, this is common worldwide.

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Maybe that's good to regulate the gambling market, and provide user with the limit on spending. In reality this isn't that easy to calculate the ability of each users spending. This will cause more illegal ways of gambling. Right now what governments need to is, create proper documentation process and the necessity to be fulfilled. If any of the gambling platform doesn't meet the requirements just shut it.

The idea might be good but the hardest part will be how to determine the vulnerable groups of gamblers and set limits but at the same time not to violate anyone's rights. The problem I see is misuse of different procedures and then the final result will not be as desired. And gambling platforms will not be delighted with such regulations so a resistance might be expected.

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Maybe that's good to regulate the gambling market, and provide user with the limit on spending. In reality this isn't that easy to calculate the ability of each users spending. This will cause more illegal ways of gambling. Right now what governments need to is, create proper documentation process and the necessity to be fulfilled. If any of the gambling platform doesn't meet the requirements just shut it.

It is necessary to regulate the market, but not in similar ways, they will not lead to anything. Everyone chooses to gamble for him or not, but that should always be decriminalised. Regulation should take place on the basis of education and training, so that people grow up with a healthy psyche, and not with deviations that ultimately lead to all sorts of addictions.

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Quote from: FontSeli on August 22, 2020, 05:19:20 PM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 22, 2020, 06:52:49 AM

Addiction of the gamblers isn't tolerable especially if they are always doing it. The government can't do anything to but to do things like this that can help these addicted gamblers lessen their addiction into it.

I'm thinking too if the regulation that the government will put into these gambling casinos will affect the tax that they are paying or not. Hmmmmmm but anyway this will be a great help for the gamblers but I doubt that all of them will agree with this move.

It seems to me that ordinary players who do not have an addiction and like to sometimes spend time playing, will suffer from such restrictions. A dependent person will always find ways to circumvent the restrictions and continue playing as much as they want. Forbidden fruit is sweet.

If that person could prove that losing some money would not be an issue and can easily manage after that as well then should not be worry. But for those who are form hand to mouth situation then yes those people will have some tough time as this is government decision and can be seen form both the sides.

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Quote from: MFahad on August 23, 2020, 10:13:19 AM

It will not be fair to cap each individual with same amount of money allocated for gambling. Some people are rich and they can afford much more amount to gamble than the middle class or the lower class gambler. If government want to implement this rule, they should allot different limit for different categories of people.

The government will forever be blamed by those who are not satisfied with the rules. I dont think that the restriction will create injustice among gambler of different economic status. When the rules were made, I thought they had taken the gamblers economic status into account. But this is just a government plan that has not yet been realized. They will consider the amount of tax that will be received from the casino if the rules are made. Limiting the amount of money a player can bet will only reduce the tax the casino has to pay to the government.

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meanwhile here in Indonesia, gambling is prohibited.
but contradictively, it supports several Indonesian football clubs.
and many Instagram influencers endorsed by gambling site to promote their service. lol.

like many steps behind to become a country with a clear gambling regulation.

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Quote from: Ayiranorea on August 06, 2020, 01:43:56 AM

Already in several countries gambling is regulated. Very few countries follow it in a strict manner, while majority just stay liberal and give importance when something serious as suicide happens. Regulations were a must, but those regulations need to keep both the users and the gambling platform owners on the safer side.

I'm in very much on the side of the government if they want to regulate and provide a cap on every user about how much each can gamble because strictly speaking, even though the government makes good profit from casinos, but it shouldn't come at the expense of the citizens by having their hard earnt money ripped by misusing their addictions!

I agree with you. Regulation simply has to be.
Of course, no one forces citizens to go to casinos forcibly, but the casino is arranged in such a way as to put people on gzhmbling, which leads to mental and social problems in quite healthy wealthy people.
The state in this case loses, since the level of the state is determined by the consciousness of its citizens.

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on August 23, 2020, 06:40:34 AM

Quote from: Ayiranorea on August 06, 2020, 01:43:56 AM

Already in several countries gambling is regulated. Very few countries follow it in a strict manner, while majority just stay liberal and give importance when something serious as suicide happens. Regulations were a must, but those regulations need to keep both the users and the gambling platform owners on the safer side.

I'm in very much on the side of the government if they want to regulate and provide a cap on every user about how much each can gamble because strictly speaking, even though the government makes good profit from casinos, but it shouldn't come at the expense of the citizens by having their hard earnt money ripped by misusing their addictions!

It will not be fair to cap each individual with same amount of money allocated for gambling. Some people are rich and they can afford much more amount to gamble than the middle class or the lower class gambler. If government want to implement this rule, they should allot different limit for different categories of people.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 20, 2020, 09:08:32 AM

Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

Addiction of the gamblers isn't tolerable especially if they are always doing it. The government can't do anything to but to do things like this that can help these addicted gamblers lessen their addiction into it.

I'm thinking too if the regulation that the government will put into these gambling casinos will affect the tax that they are paying or not. Hmmmmmm but anyway this will be a great help for the gamblers but I doubt that all of them will agree with this move.

I always wonder why they want restrictions if they don't want people to get addicted, simply ban could be enough right? So I feel there are lot of politics involved in such kind of decisions anyways lets come to the point, is it really going to stop the people from getting into more gambling? Absolutely not they have to work hard to earn more to satisfy their addictive nature.

As @Logitech says, the government are also thinking about the taxes they will be getting so they are putting this regulation but at the same time they do worry that the taxations happening might be lessen hence also affecting the government. There are obviously politics in there and we don't know what is happening between those curtains.

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Quote from: Ayiranorea on August 06, 2020, 01:43:56 AM

Already in several countries gambling is regulated. Very few countries follow it in a strict manner, while majority just stay liberal and give importance when something serious as suicide happens. Regulations were a must, but those regulations need to keep both the users and the gambling platform owners on the safer side.

I'm in very much on the side of the government if they want to regulate and provide a cap on every user about how much each can gamble because strictly speaking, even though the government makes good profit from casinos, but it shouldn't come at the expense of the citizens by having their hard earnt money ripped by misusing their addictions!

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Quote from: semobo on August 22, 2020, 04:24:45 PM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 22, 2020, 06:52:49 AM

Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 20, 2020, 09:08:32 AM

Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

Addiction of the gamblers isn't tolerable especially if they are always doing it. The government can't do anything to but to do things like this that can help these addicted gamblers lessen their addiction into it.

I'm thinking too if the regulation that the government will put into these gambling casinos will affect the tax that they are paying or not. Hmmmmmm but anyway this will be a great help for the gamblers but I doubt that all of them will agree with this move.

I always wonder why they want restrictions if they don't want people to get addicted, simply ban could be enough right? So I feel there are lot of politics involved in such kind of decisions anyways lets come to the point, is it really going to stop the people from getting into more gambling? Absolutely not they have to work hard to earn more to satisfy their addictive nature.

Politics and bribe included is I think common on this kind of negotiations, There are more easier ways to stop gamblers to play like what you have said but of course casino owners wouldn't agree with this and they would make any move just not to shut down their casino. That's why I think they just put regulations and limits to it in order to balance out the situation and not by forcing to ban it in the whole country.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 22, 2020, 06:52:49 AM

Addiction of the gamblers isn't tolerable especially if they are always doing it. The government can't do anything to but to do things like this that can help these addicted gamblers lessen their addiction into it.

I'm thinking too if the regulation that the government will put into these gambling casinos will affect the tax that they are paying or not. Hmmmmmm but anyway this will be a great help for the gamblers but I doubt that all of them will agree with this move.

It seems to me that ordinary players who do not have an addiction and like to sometimes spend time playing, will suffer from such restrictions. A dependent person will always find ways to circumvent the restrictions and continue playing as much as they want. Forbidden fruit is sweet.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 22, 2020, 06:52:49 AM

Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 20, 2020, 09:08:32 AM

Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

Addiction of the gamblers isn't tolerable especially if they are always doing it. The government can't do anything to but to do things like this that can help these addicted gamblers lessen their addiction into it.

I'm thinking too if the regulation that the government will put into these gambling casinos will affect the tax that they are paying or not. Hmmmmmm but anyway this will be a great help for the gamblers but I doubt that all of them will agree with this move.

I always wonder why they want restrictions if they don't want people to get addicted, simply ban could be enough right? So I feel there are lot of politics involved in such kind of decisions anyways lets come to the point, is it really going to stop the people from getting into more gambling? Absolutely not they have to work hard to earn more to satisfy their addictive nature.

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Quote from: FaucetKING on August 18, 2020, 11:31:25 AM

It's clearly stated that the government is trying to regulate even more the gambling casinos because some folks lost their jobs and must get a salary to spend, it's a weird situation and a weird move from the part of the gov but it is logical enough to be implemented. The gamblers should only bet what they only afford to lose and this is why the new rules are going to be implemented, to prevent peoples from risking their salaries, risking bigger amounts and losing all of their funds which is catastrophic.

While I agree that in these difficult times some people may try to multiply their money in the casino and lose all of it in the process, at the same time not much is going to change with this law, think about it if those people were going to lose their money to the casinos it is entirely possible they are desperate enough to try other means of making some quick cash and they will lose their money anyway, so while this law may seem as a way to protect addicted gamblers the truth is that those people will lose their money in other ways and as such it is impossible to protect them no matter what kind of law is passed.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on August 21, 2020, 05:48:19 PM

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Even if the government mailing the gamblers about their laws or bills or fine, the gamblers will not care because they don't even read that mails. They will still play gambling, but if one of their family members care about them, they will remind the gamblers to stop for a while from gambling. It is hard if the addicted person to gambling knows if he is addicted or not, it needs other people to help them realize and see the fact. If we need to prove that we are fine with the loss, maybe that will embarrass them, so it needs other people that can show them that gambling is not good for that gambler.

So this is the reason why government should act directly on casino owners

If casino will ban you for some time after some amount you've lost, you'll get calm and have time to do some useful activities. The amount of people which is highly addicted (meaning they will register new accounts through VPN or something like this) is much less than full amount of people who is in danger zone.

So, at least one time, government do their job right.

Except the German government which I think is the less corrupted in the world from what I have seen when I worked there a few years ago,I believe no other government can be really trusted to be fair and a lot of cases of governments abusing their power through government officials who intentionally bribed different businesses including casinos and this cases have been quite some.So I think that the government should be independent from businesses and let them do as they like as long as they don't break any rules of the government laws where they operate.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 20, 2020, 09:08:32 AM

Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

Exactly ! We as people shpuld be responsble for every decisions that we are made. We need to accept if we lose something because of our negligence. Casinos only cares for their businesses, the life of their customers are not their obligation, as long as the casinos are obeying the law they will continue it, gamblers must take their own responsibilities and take care of their own losses as well.

We're already done on that.

The Government is just trying to solve one of the problems in their community and there's nothing wrong with that. Because if the Government will not take any action regarding on this matter, they are the one who is going to suffer in the end. What I mean is, the poverty will just going to spread and the Government will be more in tough situation giving aids to those who needs it.

That is why they came up to such solution hoping that would help those people who are addicted in gambling to lessen their addiction slowly.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 20, 2020, 09:08:32 AM

Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

Addiction of the gamblers isn't tolerable especially if they are always doing it. The government can't do anything to but to do things like this that can help these addicted gamblers lessen their addiction into it.

I'm thinking too if the regulation that the government will put into these gambling casinos will affect the tax that they are paying or not. Hmmmmmm but anyway this will be a great help for the gamblers but I doubt that all of them will agree with this move.

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Quote from: FaucetKING on August 18, 2020, 11:31:25 AM

It's clearly stated that the government is trying to regulate even more the gambling casinos because some folks lost their jobs and must get a salary to spend, it's a weird situation and a weird move from the part of the gov but it is logical enough to be implemented. The gamblers should only bet what they only afford to lose and this is why the new rules are going to be implemented, to prevent peoples from risking their salaries, risking bigger amounts and losing all of their funds which is catastrophic.

I believe that Government interference is very important in our time now because they are the one who's to blame if these people have no food to eat in their tables.
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Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

no one says that it is governments fault mate because being addicted is either the person itself fault or people around him ,what i am saying is this is a good move from the government to interfere in something that they know can help gamblers.
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Well, im talking about when you says that they will be blamed if these people have no food to eat though I agree with you about the interferance, it is just that I look at it in different term of the word and yeah, a very good move for them. To be honest, as you said, it is either the people themselves or the people aorund them is the reason for that.

Oh i get it,we have look at the different perspective but with the same thoughts,Good government will do such thing but we also know that only few of them has this concern over gamblers.
Because the truth is the more gamblers played and loss is the more taxes they can claim over those casinos so the corrupt country care nothing about Gamblers but their benefits only.

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