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Quote from: 3meek on September 06, 2020, 03:49:19 AM

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Quote from: 3meek on September 05, 2020, 06:49:24 AM

It seems to me that the government can not influence the dependent players... After all, there are a huge number of gambling-sites in different jurisdictions, where anyone can play!

That's actually a silly idea but let them implement and see if it will yield results in their favor I can easily prove a loss, would they use a lie detector to prove that I can take a loss and how they are going to trace people playing online, their rules is very vague and unclear, it will not stand and will just a waste o time trying to catch people who will prove them right.

If we talk about my country (Russia), casinos have long been banned here... But in fact nothing has changed - just everyone started playing on the Internet! Grin

And now it's already impossible to fight with it! So it seems to me that any state fight against such things is useless!

So you are saying that you can still gamble without any problem?

Are you constantly gambling in crypto casinos here? I'm just curious as I believe Russia's government is very strict with their regulation.

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To be honest, I don't know how you people deal with addiction and I think that makes it clear since I also heard that most of them don't know or don't realize that they are already addicted to gambling. I guess the government stepping up is also a good thing but I just hope they don't really strict policies at it might lead for other gamblers to go to other online casinos.

One more thing about the government stepping up is that it is just another form of making gambling more main stream. It's about protecting the ones that can't protect themself and we should respect that. For me I see it very similar to when opening a brokerage account. Once you decide you want to go into investing and trading you need to understand that there are huge risk involved that could lose you all your money. Filling out a questionaire before opening an account to check your understanding seems a good way to do protect us. If you can show you are experienced then of course those safety measures shouldn't apply.

If we are a responsible gambler we will not having any difficulties about these things and the government will no need to make sure actions.

Yes you're correct: the government wouldn't have in any way bring into action the "prove that you can take the loss". Although as much as we have addicted gamblers among us the government move was in the right direction.

Kindly take a look at this thread to ascertain the injuries co-gamblers had inflected themselves with. Greatest Gambling losers some of these victims died while some with severe health issues, at this junction if you can't "prove you can take a loss" then stay low.

I think it wasn't the right way to prove that someone can really take the lost. Its just that there are other ways to do it. And anyone can really avoid there law, or make themselves appear like "they can take the loss", a lot of loopholes but totally agree with the government's move ause they are in the right direction. They are trying to create a prevention but its not that polish yet.

I suggest that they should focus more on professional help programs for gambling addicts. Its also a way of stopping the problem, preventing more damage, and helping the gamblers to assess themselves. In this way, its more solid, more research base and actually helped to stop a gambling addict.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on September 06, 2020, 02:12:49 AM

Quote from: 3meek on September 05, 2020, 06:49:24 AM

It seems to me that the government can not influence the dependent players... After all, there are a huge number of gambling-sites in different jurisdictions, where anyone can play!

That's actually a silly idea but let them implement and see if it will yield results in their favor I can easily prove a loss, would they use a lie detector to prove that I can take a loss and how they are going to trace people playing online, their rules is very vague and unclear, it will not stand and will just a waste o time trying to catch people who will prove them right.

If we talk about my country (Russia), casinos have long been banned here... But in fact nothing has changed - just everyone started playing on the Internet! Grin

And now it's already impossible to fight with it! So it seems to me that any state fight against such things is useless!

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Quote from: 3meek on September 05, 2020, 06:49:24 AM

It seems to me that the government can not influence the dependent players... After all, there are a huge number of gambling-sites in different jurisdictions, where anyone can play!

That's actually a silly idea but let them implement and see if it will yield results in their favor I can easily prove a loss, would they use a lie detector to prove that I can take a loss and how they are going to trace people playing online, their rules is very vague and unclear, it will not stand and will just a waste o time trying to catch people who will prove them right.

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Quote from: reliable on September 05, 2020, 02:55:13 AM

This has a pro and cons both. Good for those who earning is not much and only have limited money for their survival so in such case losing in gabling will prove to be fatal. On other hand those who have lot of money now will have to also prove it and they might just stay without it.

I don't think those people with a lot of money would be going to face an ombudsman just to prove that he himself can take those losses. If I am one I would just visit other gambling sites or maybe just create another account where I could gamble or maybe just play with other people not known by the government. They would stay gambling but I don't think they would be staying at the same online casino though.

Those people will not visit the ombudsman because I think they will feel embarrassed, and they don't want others to know if they have a problem with gambling. And if those they are forced to meet the ombudsman, he will cover his face and don't let others know. I think if I were on those people, I will stop for a while and not visiting on the gambling websites. I need to calm myself down, and I will try to do something else because the media will search for other news and blow up to the public. We can stay away from gambling until the situations are conducive to come back again in the gambling websites, but with having control for ourselves.

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Quote from: reliable on September 05, 2020, 02:55:13 AM

This has a pro and cons both. Good for those who earning is not much and only have limited money for their survival so in such case losing in gabling will prove to be fatal. On other hand those who have lot of money now will have to also prove it and they might just stay without it.

I don't think those people with a lot of money would be going to face an ombudsman just to prove that he himself can take those losses. If I am one I would just visit other gambling sites or maybe just create another account where I could gamble or maybe just play with other people not known by the government. They would stay gambling but I don't think they would be staying at the same online casino though.

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It seems to me that the government can not influence the dependent players... After all, there are a huge number of gambling-sites in different jurisdictions, where anyone can play!

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Quote from: Janation on September 05, 2020, 12:50:51 AM

To be honest, I don't know how you people deal with addiction and I think that makes it clear since I also heard that most of them don't know or don't realize that they are already addicted to gambling. I guess the government stepping up is also a good thing but I just hope they don't really strict policies at it might lead for other gamblers to go to other online casinos.

One more thing about the government stepping up is that it is just another form of making gambling more main stream. It's about protecting the ones that can't protect themself and we should respect that. For me I see it very similar to when opening a brokerage account. Once you decide you want to go into investing and trading you need to understand that there are huge risk involved that could lose you all your money. Filling out a questionaire before opening an account to check your understanding seems a good way to do protect us. If you can show you are experienced then of course those safety measures shouldn't apply.

If we are a responsible gambler we will not having any difficulties about these things and the government will no need to make sure actions.

Yes you're correct: the government wouldn't have in any way bring into action the "prove that you can take the loss". Although as much as we have addicted gamblers among us the government move was in the right direction.

Kindly take a look at this thread to ascertain the injuries co-gamblers had inflected themselves with. Greatest Gambling losers some of these victims died while some with severe health issues, at this junction if you can't "prove you can take a loss" then stay low.

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Quote from: Mauser on September 05, 2020, 02:27:36 AM

Quote from: Janation on September 05, 2020, 12:50:51 AM

To be honest, I don't know how you people deal with addiction and I think that makes it clear since I also heard that most of them don't know or don't realize that they are already addicted to gambling. I guess the government stepping up is also a good thing but I just hope they don't really strict policies at it might lead for other gamblers to go to other online casinos.

One more thing about the government stepping up is that it is just another form of making gambling more main stream. It's about protecting the ones that can't protect themself and we should respect that. For me I see it very similar to when opening a brokerage account. Once you decide you want to go into investing and trading you need to understand that there are huge risk involved that could lose you all your money. Filling out a questionaire before opening an account to check your understanding seems a good way to do protect us. If you can show you are experienced then of course those safety measures shouldn't apply.

If we are a responsible gambler we will not having any difficulties about these things and the government will no need to make sure actions.

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Quote from: Janation on September 05, 2020, 12:50:51 AM

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Quote from: Janation on August 29, 2020, 06:47:07 AM

The government are just concerned in their citizens that is why they are creating these regulations as you said but we can't just say that it is the government's fault of having these loopholes since people are also finding a way to walk around that regulations. Also, it doens't just fall to the government's hands, it also falls to these gamblers how would they behave and control their bettings.

As from my personal experience, many gamblers are hard with that task. For many of them this is impossible burden. So only government can do something about that. As i said many times above, neither casino or gamblers are interested to be more calm in betting. For first this is business, for second - way of life and their main drug.

Thanks for sharing.

To be honest, I don't know how you people deal with addiction and I think that makes it clear since I also heard that most of them don't know or don't realize that they are already addicted to gambling. I guess the government stepping up is also a good thing but I just hope they don't really strict policies at it might lead for other gamblers to go to other online casinos.

This has a pro and cons both. Good for those who earning is not much and only have limited money for their survival so in such case losing in gabling will prove to be fatal. On other hand those who have lot of money now will have to also prove it and they might just stay without it.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on September 04, 2020, 11:55:42 PM

Quote from: maydna on September 04, 2020, 08:17:07 PM

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As long as you consider gambling as a hobby or entertaining things , it will not have any bad effect on you . When you take it seriously you may get involved in various crime. I know a lot of gambler ,who lost their everything only for addiction to gambling . On the other hand , there are some of my friend , who gamble regular and go to casino regularly . They hangouts with friend and drinks . But they are not addicted , they know what their limit is. as my perspective of view , i want to say that , if you take gambling as a game that its have no bad effect but if you are addicted ,then no matter how rich you are . It can makes your life hell .

Yes, you are right. It will be better if we use gambling as an entertaining thing to enjoy and have fun playing gambling. No matter if we play gambling alone or with our friends, we will not have any bad effect because we know the limits, and we know about addiction to gambling. We will always play moderately, and we will stop playing gambling when we think it is enough for us. The addicted to gambling is a serious matter that every people must concern, and don't let us get inside the addicting to gambling.

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I think depend if which kind of friends do you have,for me?our circle of friends Binds as brother and everything we do together is all for fun and for each other,we gamble sometimes together but all the winnings will go to either Beer or foods that we will be having together.
thats why i think i understand @peter0425.

Although I don't always gamble with my friends, yes, I agree with both of you that we will have a good moment and passionate about what we do when we can spend time with them. And as you say, we do it together and have fun together.

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Quote from: Janation on September 05, 2020, 12:50:51 AM

To be honest, I don't know how you people deal with addiction and I think that makes it clear since I also heard that most of them don't know or don't realize that they are already addicted to gambling. I guess the government stepping up is also a good thing but I just hope they don't really strict policies at it might lead for other gamblers to go to other online casinos.

One more thing about the government stepping up is that it is just another form of making gambling more main stream. It's about protecting the ones that can't protect themself and we should respect that. For me I see it very similar to when opening a brokerage account. Once you decide you want to go into investing and trading you need to understand that there are huge risk involved that could lose you all your money. Filling out a questionaire before opening an account to check your understanding seems a good way to do protect us. If you can show you are experienced then of course those safety measures shouldn't apply.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on September 04, 2020, 05:58:23 PM

Quote from: Janation on August 29, 2020, 06:47:07 AM

The government are just concerned in their citizens that is why they are creating these regulations as you said but we can't just say that it is the government's fault of having these loopholes since people are also finding a way to walk around that regulations. Also, it doens't just fall to the government's hands, it also falls to these gamblers how would they behave and control their bettings.

As from my personal experience, many gamblers are hard with that task. For many of them this is impossible burden. So only government can do something about that. As i said many times above, neither casino or gamblers are interested to be more calm in betting. For first this is business, for second - way of life and their main drug.

Thanks for sharing.

To be honest, I don't know how you people deal with addiction and I think that makes it clear since I also heard that most of them don't know or don't realize that they are already addicted to gambling. I guess the government stepping up is also a good thing but I just hope they don't really strict policies at it might lead for other gamblers to go to other online casinos.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 04, 2020, 07:06:44 PM

That is why the best way to Enjoy gambling is to Play with friends,i mean those people that closest to you so no matter what happens the Game is just a game and all will be happy with the result.

When we play gambling with friends, we might have a competition between us because I see that some people who play gambling can turn out serious playing. They don't use gambling to enjoy the time or have fun, but they feel that is the real competition between them.

I think depend if which kind of friends do you have,for me?our circle of friends Binds as brother and everything we do together is all for fun and for each other,we gamble sometimes together but all the winnings will go to either Beer or foods that we will be having together.
thats why i think i understand @peter0425.

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But if they can feel have fun and enjoy gambling, they will not have a problem when someone loses at the end of the games because they can accept the result. So at this point, I think it's about how the gamblers can be wise and get the consequences inside the gambling games, even if they lose in the end.

actually gambling with real friends we losses nothing,because we can give and take after the end of the game.

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Quote from: maydna on September 04, 2020, 08:17:07 PM

Quote from: peter0425 on September 04, 2020, 07:06:44 PM

That is why the best way to Enjoy gambling is to Play with friends,i mean those people that closest to you so no matter what happens the Game is just a game and all will be happy with the result.

When we play gambling with friends, we might have a competition between us because I see that some people who play gambling can turn out serious playing. They don't use gambling to enjoy the time or have fun, but they feel that is the real competition between them.

But if they can feel have fun and enjoy gambling, they will not have a problem when someone loses at the end of the games because they can accept the result. So at this point, I think it's about how the gamblers can be wise and get the consequences inside the gambling games, even if they lose in the end.

As long as you consider gambling as a hobby or entertaining things, it will not have any bad effect on you. When you take it seriously you may get involved in various crime. I know a lot of gambler, who lost their everything only for addiction on gambling. On the other hand, there are some of my friend, who gamble regular and go to casino regularly. They hangouts with friend and drinks. But they are not addicted, they know what their limit is. as my perspective of view, I want to say that, if you take gambling as a game that it has no bad effect but if you are addicted, then no matter how rich you are. It can make your life hell.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 04, 2020, 07:06:44 PM

That is why the best way to Enjoy gambling is to Play with friends,i mean those people that closest to you so no matter what happens the Game is just a game and all will be happy with the result.

When we play gambling with friends, we might have a competition between us because I see that some people who play gambling can turn out serious playing. They don't use gambling to enjoy the time or have fun, but they feel that is the real competition between them.

But if they can feel have fun and enjoy gambling, they will not have a problem when someone loses at the end of the games because they can accept the result. So at this point, I think it's about how the gamblers can be wise and get the consequences inside the gambling games, even if they lose in the end.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on September 04, 2020, 05:58:23 PM

Quote from: Janation on August 29, 2020, 06:47:07 AM

The government are just concerned in their citizens that is why they are creating these regulations as you said but we can't just say that it is the government's fault of having these loopholes since people are also finding a way to walk around that regulations. Also, it doens't just fall to the government's hands, it also falls to these gamblers how would they behave and control their bettings.

As from my personal experience, many gamblers are hard with that task. For many of them this is impossible burden. So only government can do something about that. As i said many times above, neither casino or gamblers are interested to be more calm in betting. For first this is business, for second - way of life and their main drug.

"Junkie will never tell that he is junkie" (c) William Burroughs

I agree. I do realized that I am addicted in gambling in the past but I guess that is also the product of the pokes, jokes and even gossips to/about me. With the support of my partner, I have that will to stop that addiction and attend some therapies to help. Luckily I am not that deep in the scale, unless people are not putting attention to these people, they won't go out there alone.

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It's little bit harder to predict what will happen. But at all you have to "accept" your losses no matter what. It's part of the life, everyone had loss, there is no person who is only doing profits or anything like that. We're taking notes from our losses, like they're teaching us to be better and better therefore to do not do the same wrong thing again as before.

gambling is created for entertainment while goes by it becomes a habit and profiteering,But the majority losses thats why we need to be aware of many chances that we will lose.
never look for always Win because this is just a dream.
Start Dealing in gambling with proper manner and that is only gamble small amount no matter how enjoying this is.

Indeed, gambling must be used as entertainment or pleasure to fill spare time and limiting betting capital is the most important thing and can control yourself when playing.

But this is not what happening now,Only few of them are really enjoying the Game in the right essence instead majority are playing and
betting to Win and Gather more money By which they always fail.

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play in a relaxed and calm manner when gambling for entertainment or pleasure and stop playing when you are in a winning position because it is the right choice and do not have the ambition to continue to win because it will result in losses and ultimately lose everything.

That is why the best way to Enjoy gambling is to Play with friends,i mean those people that closest to you so no matter what happens the Game is just a game and all will be happy with the result.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on August 31, 2020, 11:35:08 PM

Indeed, gambling must be used as entertainment or pleasure to fill spare time and limiting betting capital is the most important thing and can control yourself when playing.
play in a relaxed and calm manner when gambling for entertainment or pleasure and stop playing when you are in a winning position because it is the right choice and do not have the ambition to continue to win because it will result in losses and ultimately lose everything.

By far that is the best attitude to have when you are gambling, I understand that for many people it is very important to win in almost any activity that they perform, however we must understand that when we are gambling we are playing at a disadvantage thanks to the house edge and as such it is a given that over the long term you are going to lose money, and this means that the right attitude that we must have is to gamble only for fun and for entertainment and I'm sure that if everyone was like that we will not have to endure ridiculous laws like the one that we are discussing right now.

It is true that the rules made by the government regarding gambling that we are discussing were made because there are still many
gamblers who cannot control themselves when playing gambling. Gamblers should be aware that the house will always be advantages,
so don't be make gambling a source of income. Make gambling as entertainment only, by using money that we can afford to lose.That
way the government doesn't need to impose ridiculous rules by limiting the amount of money for playing gambling.

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Quote from: Janation on August 29, 2020, 06:47:07 AM

The government are just concerned in their citizens that is why they are creating these regulations as you said but we can't just say that it is the government's fault of having these loopholes since people are also finding a way to walk around that regulations. Also, it doens't just fall to the government's hands, it also falls to these gamblers how would they behave and control their bettings.

As from my personal experience, many gamblers are hard with that task. For many of them this is impossible burden. So only government can do something about that. As i said many times above, neither casino or gamblers are interested to be more calm in betting. For first this is business, for second - way of life and their main drug.

"Junkie will never tell that he is junkie" (c) William Burroughs

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