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Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

Exactly ! We as people shpuld be responsble for every decisions that we are made. We need to accept if we lose something because of our negligence. Casinos only cares for their businesses, the life of their customers are not their obligation, as long as the casinos are obeying the law they will continue it, gamblers must take their own responsibilities and take care of their own losses as well.

If that's how gamblers would think, there would be no problem and regulation like this would not be created. Gambling site is not at fault when gamblers lose as we know they are into profit, hence they should operate with an edge which would mean when we are gambling, we don't have the advantage. What people needs to change is their mindset, treating gambling as a way of entertainment than a way to earn way is the best treatment.

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Even if the government mailing the gamblers about their laws or bills or fine, the gamblers will not care because they don't even read that mails. They will still play gambling, but if one of their family members care about them, they will remind the gamblers to stop for a while from gambling. It is hard if the addicted person to gambling knows if he is addicted or not, it needs other people to help them realize and see the fact. If we need to prove that we are fine with the loss, maybe that will embarrass them, so it needs other people that can show them that gambling is not good for that gambler.

So this is the reason why government should act directly on casino owners

If casino will ban you for some time after some amount you've lost, you'll get calm and have time to do some useful activities. The amount of people which is highly addicted (meaning they will register new accounts through VPN or something like this) is much less than full amount of people who is in danger zone.

So, at least one time, government do their job right.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 20, 2020, 09:08:32 AM

Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

Exactly ! We as people shpuld be responsble for every decisions that we are made. We need to accept if we lose something because of our negligence. Casinos only cares for their businesses, the life of their customers are not their obligation, as long as the casinos are obeying the law they will continue it, gamblers must take their own responsibilities and take care of their own losses as well.

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Gamblers from UK are the one who should worry because this report is coming out from UK OP did not mentioned in his article whose government implemented this rule, gamblers operator should worry too because they will have less profit and many will not play frequently than they used to be, UK people are to much into gambling that the government have to intervene, and this is not a good intervention.

There are two sides that will be affected actually.

1-Gambling operation is going to reduce their profit significantly. (bad for operators, bad or good for government)

2-Gamblers (bad or good), bad for high roller gamblers, good for addicted gamblers.

well when that happens, the government will control the gambling place because in fact the government cannot control the gambling place, because it is a private business, in several gambling places in Las Vegas and others I see the government does not dare to do this.

They can't control but they can regulate as long as the business is legally operating, so it's still the same because if they will not follow the regulation, they will lose their license and they will operate illegally which is risky for them even if you say they are private.

I agree with you, they can do anything they want but they should also be ready in facing the consequences of their action as they will break the law.

Even in Vegas and other popular casinos, as long as the authorities are strictly enforcing the law, everyone is treated fairly.

I think a gambler is pre_aware about his loss and profit in gambling So he must know how to handle it. No one is playing for free so instead of making tough rules for them government should understand people invest their money to earn something. It is all the gambler’s own skill if he lose all or all something from gambling. I think Good gamblers won’t feel free if government Will interfere their consequences.

As long as the gamblers are not disobeying the law, they are free to do what they want. If they want to spend gambling in full time, let them be, it's their choice and their life. I doubt that the government will focus on this kind of person because obviously, there are more people we should think more and should be prioritized.

Gamblers are probably adults, they can manage themselves, if they did something wrong, they should face the consequences of those actions. Simple as that. If they choose to be broke, then let them be, it's their life, the higher-ups don't have time to help them on each individual problems. Their priority is to focus on the problems that affect the economy.

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Gamblers from UK are the one who should worry because this report is coming out from UK OP did not mentioned in his article whose government implemented this rule, gamblers operator should worry too because they will have less profit and many will not play frequently than they used to be, UK people are to much into gambling that the government have to intervene, and this is not a good intervention.

There are two sides that will be affected actually.

1-Gambling operation is going to reduce their profit significantly. (bad for operators, bad or good for government)

2-Gamblers (bad or good), bad for high roller gamblers, good for addicted gamblers.

well when that happens, the government will control the gambling place because in fact the government cannot control the gambling place, because it is a private business, in several gambling places in Las Vegas and others I see the government does not dare to do this.

They can't control but they can regulate as long as the business is legally operating, so it's still the same because if they will not follow the regulation, they will lose their license and they will operate illegally which is risky for them even if you say they are private.

I agree with you, they can do anything they want but they should also be ready in facing the consequences of their action as they will break the law.

Even in Vegas and other popular casinos, as long as the authorities are strictly enforcing the law, everyone is treated fairly.

I think a gambler is pre_aware about his loss and profit in gambling So he must know how to handle it. No one is playing for free so instead of making tough rules for them government should understand people invest their money to earn something. It is all the gambler’s own skill if he lose all or all something from gambling. I think Good gamblers won’t feel free if government Will interfere their consequences.

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It's clearly stated that the government is trying to regulate even more the gambling casinos because some folks lost their jobs and must get a salary to spend, it's a weird situation and a weird move from the part of the gov but it is logical enough to be implemented. The gamblers should only bet what they only afford to lose and this is why the new rules are going to be implemented, to prevent peoples from risking their salaries, risking bigger amounts and losing all of their funds which is catastrophic.

I believe that Government interference is very important in our time now because they are the one who's to blame if these people have no food to eat in their tables.
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Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

no one says that it is governments fault mate because being addicted is either the person itself fault or people around him ,what i am saying is this is a good move from the government to interfere in something that they know can help gamblers.
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Well, im talking about when you says that they will be blamed if these people have no food to eat though I agree with you about the interferance, it is just that I look at it in different term of the word and yeah, a very good move for them. To be honest, as you said, it is either the people themselves or the people aorund them is the reason for that.

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Quote from: FaucetKING on August 18, 2020, 11:31:25 AM

It's clearly stated that the government is trying to regulate even more the gambling casinos because some folks lost their jobs and must get a salary to spend, it's a weird situation and a weird move from the part of the gov but it is logical enough to be implemented. The gamblers should only bet what they only afford to lose and this is why the new rules are going to be implemented, to prevent peoples from risking their salaries, risking bigger amounts and losing all of their funds which is catastrophic.

I believe that Government interference is very important in our time now because they are the one who's to blame if these people have no food to eat in their tables.
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Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

no one says that it is governments fault mate because being addicted is either the person itself fault or people around him ,what i am saying is this is a good move from the government to interfere in something that they know can help gamblers.

actually it was not their obligation but to have a good economic country people must be in right mind to help the government make the country great.

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Quote from: FaucetKING on August 18, 2020, 11:31:25 AM

It's clearly stated that the government is trying to regulate even more the gambling casinos because some folks lost their jobs and must get a salary to spend, it's a weird situation and a weird move from the part of the gov but it is logical enough to be implemented. The gamblers should only bet what they only afford to lose and this is why the new rules are going to be implemented, to prevent peoples from risking their salaries, risking bigger amounts and losing all of their funds which is catastrophic.

I believe that Government interference is very important in our time now because they are the one who's to blame if these people have no food to eat in their tables.
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Well, it is not their fault if these gamblers get addicted to gambling, all they can really do now is to control those people especially if this is really growing as a huge problem that could affect the country. I also think that this is not an interference, I think of it as their way to remind these gamblers that they need to regulate their gambling activities, that they need to control themselves.

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Quote from: FaucetKING on August 18, 2020, 11:31:25 AM

It's clearly stated that the government is trying to regulate even more the gambling casinos because some folks lost their jobs and must get a salary to spend, it's a weird situation and a weird move from the part of the gov but it is logical enough to be implemented. The gamblers should only bet what they only afford to lose and this is why the new rules are going to be implemented, to prevent peoples from risking their salaries, risking bigger amounts and losing all of their funds which is catastrophic.

I believe that Government interference is very important in our time now because they are the one who's to blame if these people have no food to eat in their tables.

I love when government make such move because this is for the goodness of the people and nothing personal.

instead of denying the fact lets support the initiative and the process is really helpful not only to the gambler but for the whole country a well.

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If a person wanna gamble with their entire years salary, the government shouldn't have any say or order on it. They can advise although.

That's my money, my rule, this is the rule we like.

Hope our government will not follow the same law as gambling addiction is also high in our country.

Gambling addiction, as any other addiction, is a bad thing, and it can't be ignored, even if only from 5% to 10% of all gamblers in most countries can be called problem gamblers. But the regulations should not be harmful for 90%-95% of gamblers who gamble to relax from their hard work, and can work more effectively after that. The importance of relaxation is underestimated big time in economic terms. Deprive people of relaxation, and economy will collapse.

I think the phrase(problem gambler) sounds more like tautology because gambling is a problem... (I have even seen "safe gambling").

No, it's not. Gambling by itself is not a problem for most of the people(see my post above). There are many things that become harmful when abused: alcohol drinking, video games playing, even eating normal food can become a problem, but it's wrong to consider those activities bad by default.

Quote from: Ucy on August 20, 2020, 05:04:25 AM

"Problem Bettor" sounds appropriate in my opinion. If you really want to solve the problem of gambling (and betting addiction) the word should be clearly understood and applied in the broader sense.
Gambling with your money, time, health etc is a big problem that should be prevented.
People shouldn't gamble or enjoy gambling because it creates problems for them.
Bet responsibily. And bet on safe/good games

It looks contradictory to your previous statement in the same post.

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If a person wanna gamble with their entire years salary, the government shouldn't have any say or order on it. They can advise although.

That's my money, my rule, this is the rule we like.

Hope our government will not follow the same law as gambling addiction is also high in our country.

Gambling addiction, as any other addiction, is a bad thing, and it can't be ignored, even if only from 5% to 10% of all gamblers in most countries can be called problem gamblers. But the regulations should not be harmful for 90%-95% of gamblers who gamble to relax from their hard work, and can work more effectively after that. The importance of relaxation is underestimated big time in economic terms. Deprive people of relaxation, and economy will collapse.

I think the phrase(problem gambler) sounds more like tautology because gambling is a problem... (I have even seen "safe gambling").
"Problem Bettor" sounds appropriate in my opinion. If you really want to solve the problem of gambling (and betting addiction) the word should be clearly understood and applied in the broader sense.
Gambling with your money, time, health etc is a big problem that should be prevented.
People shouldn't gamble or enjoy gambling because it creates problems for them.
Bet responsibily. And bet on safe/good games

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People who are addicted can help themselves by realizing that they have an addiction to gambling, and they need to ask help from other people so that they can solve the problem. The government can not help them if they still continue playing gambling, and the casino will not be responsible for the gamblers. I agree that people need to change themselves before other people help them, so that will not be difficult to get out of gambling addiction.

Gamblers realizing their addiction is not that easy.

One of the symptoms of being addicted into something is being indenial that you are addicted. That is why it is also hard to realize that they are addicted and that is also why the governments can help by maling laws or bills that would be able to limit their activities in a casino or in an online casino(in this case). Casinos wouldn't care, that is why these might be able to make these gamblers realize that they are already addicted.

well I think only people who have made a lot of profit and suddenly experience losses due to small mistakes so they try to correct their mistakes by continuing to gamble and hope that the lost capital can come back again so they get carried away with emotions and cannot control their emotions and finally they addicted to gambling.

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People who are addicted can help themselves by realizing that they have an addiction to gambling, and they need to ask help from other people so that they can solve the problem. The government can not help them if they still continue playing gambling, and the casino will not be responsible for the gamblers. I agree that people need to change themselves before other people help them, so that will not be difficult to get out of gambling addiction.

Gamblers realizing their addiction is not that easy.

One of the symptoms of being addicted into something is being indenial that you are addicted. That is why it is also hard to realize that they are addicted and that is also why the governments can help by maling laws or bills that would be able to limit their activities in a casino or in an online casino(in this case). Casinos wouldn't care, that is why these might be able to make these gamblers realize that they are already addicted.

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Quote from: Ayiranorea on August 06, 2020, 01:43:56 AM

Already in several countries gambling is regulated. Very few countries follow it in a strict manner, while majority just stay liberal and give importance when something serious as suicide happens. Regulations were a must, but those regulations need to keep both the users and the gambling platform owners on the safer side.

Regulations are somehow a way to keep people and economy in general safe.
If someone gambles without any limit then debt is created and this debt is going to harm all counterparts involved.
In the end, this greedy behavior harms other people apart from the gambler.

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Definitely, in the real online gambling, there is nothing to fear because it is safe and secure which is compared to a physical cockfight that during lockdown it is prohibited were much-updated news that many participants were caught in the act and they already paid about 35k but as gambling lovers, it is proven that it cannot really be shaken it still continues to be enjoyed without control In fact very immovable even incarcerated.

There is nothing to do with them. Even though how serious the government imposing such restrain and stop physical gambling, they are still hard-headed not to follow them instead of continuing it. They know that they can't be put in jail for their whole life and they can be freed soon if they can pay their bill. That makes them strongly decide to do illegal cockfighting.

yeah and knowing how gamblers have so many option to gamble?

though Cockfighting can be interfered easily because there are many people now that can easily report them to the authority .

But Addict will always find ways,and government cannot do anything about this because this is a personal problem and also family is the first that can help them.

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If a person wanna gamble with their entire years salary, the government shouldn't have any say or order on it. They can advise although.

That's my money, my rule, this is the rule we like.

Hope our government will not follow the same law as gambling addiction is also high in our country.

Gambling addiction, as any other addiction, is a bad thing, and it can't be ignored, even if only from 5% to 10% of all gamblers in most countries can be called problem gamblers. But the regulations should not be harmful for 90%-95% of gamblers who gamble to relax from their hard work, and can work more effectively after that. The importance of relaxation is underestimated big time in economic terms. Deprive people of relaxation, and economy will collapse.

actually that 5-10% is smaller than what is reality has,because i believe that almost half of gamblers are addicted maybe some of them don't accept it but it is indeed they are.

addiction must be faced immediately before it gets worst since addict don't usually accept they are.
they must be cured and must be helped.

It is impossible to say exactly what percentage of gamblers have gambling problems, but the number can be estimated because numerous studies have been conducted on the subject. I've read many reports, and I bet most of the researchers would agree on the "5% -10%" estimation, and the actual number would be rather close to 5% than to 10%.

I'll show you just one example of how to estimate the percentage of addicted gamblers.

Take the number 2.6% from this article

Quote from: https://skywoodrecovery.com/gambling-addiction/negative-effects-of-gambling-addiction/statistics/

The North American Foundation for Gambling Addiction Help reports that approximately 2.6% of the U.S. population has some type of gambling issue.

and keep in mind that their having "some type of gambling issue" doesn't imply they are gambling addicts, but okay, let's make an upper estimate of the number.

then take 60% from here(again, for an upper estimate):

Quote from: www.playitsafeohio.org

Approximately 85 percent of Americans have gambled at least once in their lives; 60 percent have gambled in the previous year.

Now, let's do some simple math here:

2.6% x (1 ÷ 0.6) = 4.333333333%

In other words, only 4.3% of the people who have gambled in the previous year were having "some type of gambling issue". The percentage may vary from country to country, but it is hardly above 10% anywhere. CMIIW.

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People who are addicted can help themselves by realizing that they have an addiction to gambling, and they need to ask help from other people so that they can solve the problem. The government can not help them if they still continue playing gambling, and the casino will not be responsible for the gamblers. I agree that people need to change themselves before other people help them, so that will not be difficult to get out of gambling addiction.

Actually, government's regulation could do, since if they can't handle themselves, the platforms do. Limiting their depositing and withdrawal amount will be the best tool for them to limit their playing activity. Meaning, if we are really eager to play and gamble if the system is not allowing us, we might choose other platforms to play with, but with the government's regulation applied to almost all of the online gambling casino available to our country, we have no choice but to obey and spend time more on ourselves, until we understand that we are getting addicted.

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There is no point in creating external restraints in order to contain human gambling addiction.

The solution created is not to totally cure gambling addiction, but to prevent people from getting addicted, but it's not 100% guaranteed it will work but this is the initiative of the government.

In order to fight against the gambling addiction of citizens, it is necessary to understand where the addiction itself comes from, what is its cause. There are people with a dependent personality type, they become dependent on many things. This is due to their emotions, which are dependent on external things, which as a result leads to addictions of various kinds. Whether it's alcohol, drugs, loveless love or gambling addiction. For such people, restrictions can only create a precedent for the development of addiction.

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^ Literally I can say that I should take the loss if I lose right? but the subject says "You have to prove that you can take the loss". is this a question or a survey? because, If I play into a gambling site regulated, or does require KYC or not, how can a Gambler technically, or literally prove that he/she can take the loss? in what way? by losing a huge amount of money? Limiting the amount of money that you can use is not the solution, but limiting the bet and requiring KYC. Nevertheless, this implementation is useless when it comes to using cryptocurrency.

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If a person wanna gamble with their entire years salary, the government shouldn't have any say or order on it. They can advise although.

That's my money, my rule, this is the rule we like.

Hope our government will not follow the same law as gambling addiction is also high in our country.

Gambling addiction, as any other addiction, is a bad thing, and it can't be ignored, even if only from 5% to 10% of all gamblers in most countries can be called problem gamblers. But the regulations should not be harmful for 90%-95% of gamblers who gamble to relax from their hard work, and can work more effectively after that. The importance of relaxation is underestimated big time in economic terms. Deprive people of relaxation, and economy will collapse.

There is no point in creating external restraints in order to contain human gambling addiction. People must change themselves, otherwise they will always find ways to get around the restrictions.
In addition, such restrictions relieve people of responsibility for their actions, they begin to think that the reasons for their addictions are outside of them, while this is not so.

The thing is, people who are addicted in gambling will not heal themselves from addiction because of their pride and losses, therefore the Government and the gambling site or casinos help each other to cure their citizens who are addicted to gambling. But of course it will never be enough, what you've said was right. People need to change first or help themselves in order to attain peace and forget gambling addictions that became their nightmares which hunts them at night.

The cure to addiction is the dedication of a person to submit himself in the therapy or whatever way of healing he wants to. Otherwise, it is just nonsense.

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