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I want to correct a little thing, people doesn't gamble because the inflation in their country or hardship in their environment, one thing I know very well is that, gambling have to do with desperation and engagement, if you are not a gambler a hardship can't push you into gambling, it's because you know what's gambling and that's what makes you to gamble more, another thing I understand in gambling is that you have to know the importance of gambling and also the risk that is involved on it, because ordinarily people love gambling and some people misunderstood it and take gambling as source of income and that's why you feel that we are getting more numbers of people in gambling if inflation in some countries persist

Misconception which you wrote about is a result of lack of genuine information and knowledge about gambling before joining the niche. On the venture to decrease addiction rate, gamblers are meant to be advised on the importance of gambling. And, also, what they could learn through the game. Gambling has never been a negative activity all through. The problem has to do with the player's mind set. They think gambling is an activity that could ruin their financial life, that's why it ends up ruining their gambling journey on the long run. So, it's actually a nice point referring to gamblers as people who should focus more on being educated about what they're about to go into.

Do you know that many people who is into gambling today have different motive of been in gambling and that's why have being emphasizing on education and also know the advantages and disadvantages of gambling before we go into gambling, what I know very well that associated in gambling and makes to be more interested in gambling is because they think that gambling is the easiest way of making money, so it high time to brief people and educate them the procedures of gambling before they developed another mindset and it failed them, for me gamble needs someone to understand it before you join. This is something I have being lamenting on.

Yeah, there are some who got influenced from thier friends or relatives some who thinks that they can use this venue to find some entertainment but due to a careless anticipation they ended up being addicted, same with what you said, it's better to study and know how you can handle the risk against the potentials, if you just push your way thinking that gambling is a quick way to earn, you may ended up losing a lot.

If you fall to this kind of mindset, most probably you'll end yourself ruining your life getting addicted and losing most if not all of your money.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on June 20, 2024, 05:07:37 PM

Gambling will definitely have a negative impact on other members in a family especially if I am a gambler then the influence of my gambling will definitely flow to my children. Children usually stay very close to their parents and many children learn to adopt many of their parents' habits. When a child learns to master the habits of his parents, he learns both good and bad habits of the parents. If I am a gambler, it is only natural that my child will become a gambler as he learns my habits. Moreover, society does not want to accept a gambler well and other families do not want to mix well with his family, which is the worst effect of gambling in society.

If the gambler is way off his habit then certainly it would have negative impact to people around him because no matter what he does the action if negative would always bounce back to the people around especially the ones that cares about him because it hurts to see a gambler sell or borrow countless money just to fulfill his urges of actually gambling, which everyone knows its never a sure thing when you take it as means of getting money.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on June 19, 2024, 03:25:14 PM

I want to correct a little thing, people doesn't gamble because the inflation in their country or hardship in their environment, one thing I know very well is that, gambling have to do with desperation and engagement, if you are not a gambler a hardship can't push you into gambling

I have seen some people who are pushed to gamble just because of hardship, and in the end, they end up addicted to gambling. A friend of mine was complaining about me gambling whenever he saw me, he was saying gambling was bad, but when he no longer found things easy for him and he do hears testimonies of gamblers winning, he decided to start gambling, and he can’t do without gambling a day right now.

Maybe you haven’t seen anyone before, or it doesn’t happen at your side. The rate of unemployment and underemployment is high in my country, so lots of youths decide to gamble because the amount they are being paid is not really much, and it can’t really take care of their expenses, so most of them do decide to gamble and make more money to take care of themselves. Things like this are rampant in my country, but maybe where you are from is different.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on June 20, 2024, 05:07:37 PM

Gambling will definitely have a negative impact on other members in a family especially if I am a gambler then the influence of my gambling will definitely flow to my children. Children usually stay very close to their parents and many children learn to adopt many of their parents' habits. When a child learns to master the habits of his parents, he learns both good and bad habits of the parents. If I am a gambler, it is only natural that my child will become a gambler as he learns my habits. Moreover, society does not want to accept a gambler well and other families do not want to mix well with his family, which is the worst effect of gambling in society.

The negative impact that may happens to other members in a family is that person can use violence to them because he can not control his emotion after losing his money in gambling. He can gets temper and use his strength to do bad things, especially to his relatives or families.
If children see their parents have a bad habits playing gambling and lose control when they back to home, that can makes their children trauma and doesn't wants to stay close to their parents anymore. That can makes his wife/husband afraid to talks with him/her because he/she can do something bad to them.
Maybe many others bad things that can happens to their family that we doesn't knows because everything can happens easily if someone lose their controls after playing gambling. That's why we must learn to have a good self control not just in gambling but in other things.

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Quote from: iBaba on June 19, 2024, 04:58:59 PM

Quote from: Gaza13 on June 18, 2024, 09:36:05 AM

In my opinion, the possibility of getting rid of addiction will always be a possibility in cases like this, this goes back to each individual. Usually, people who come back to play want to catch up on their losses from gambling and are not yet able to give up the money they lost in their gambling game. Indeed, the impact of gambling is very large, in cases like this they can do anything without thinking about the impact on themselves. There is a big possibility that criminal cases will definitely increase and have the biggest impact and more and more people will do it. Yes, don't borrow money from your relatives, in my opinion this is a much better thing, if you borrow, of course this will be a burden for you in the future.

This is a kind of bait idea or situation where the gambling sites leave you with so much hope and aspirations of wanting to come back and win every day. This is the reason why I'm mostly scared of the gambling sites and games as an entirety as they can bait you to the point that you will be addicted to gambling with them. I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and will only stake little funds with the intention of winning big and at the end of the day, the ticket will get cut for only a single game of the whole stakes. Psychologically, he's tempted to play the more while he loses perpetually.

If the casinos are baiting you, why not refuse to be baited? All I see here is that many are just weak in their psychology and allow themselves to be played. And for me, the casinos are exonerated here because they will not force you to accept any terms and conditions or play their way, it is the gambler who would see it and say, okay, I am in for this or not. For this, anything that comes from it is nobody's headache but the gambler. Gamblers should just go for the money they can afford to lose, the strategy that works best for them and the management that can preserve both their psychology and account portfolio. Otherwise, they will complain from now till tomorrow and nothing will change/happen because anything we do in casinos is our choice, everyone has the opportunity to quit too.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on June 20, 2024, 05:07:37 PM

Gambling will definitely have a negative impact on other members in a family especially if I am a gambler then the influence of my gambling will definitely flow to my children. Children usually stay very close to their parents and many children learn to adopt many of their parents' habits. When a child learns to master the habits of his parents, he learns both good and bad habits of the parents. If I am a gambler, it is only natural that my child will become a gambler as he learns my habits. Moreover, society does not want to accept a gambler well and other families do not want to mix well with his family, which is the worst effect of gambling in society.

Yes, that's right. Having parents with a gambling problem can have a serious impact on their children. Children of people with gambling problems are more likely to develop gambling problems themselves later in life. Everyone understands that gambling in front of children is very bad. But many people do not understand the extent of the negative impact. What is experienced and seen in childhood will form habits later, which can be good or bad habits depending on each person's living environment. Especially for children who often witness their parents gambling since childhood, it will be very easy for them to become real bettors and gamblers when they grow up.

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Gambling will definitely have a negative impact on other members in a family especially if I am a gambler then the influence of my gambling will definitely flow to my children. Children usually stay very close to their parents and many children learn to adopt many of their parents' habits. When a child learns to master the habits of his parents, he learns both good and bad habits of the parents. If I am a gambler, it is only natural that my child will become a gambler as he learns my habits. Moreover, society does not want to accept a gambler well and other families do not want to mix well with his family, which is the worst effect of gambling in society.

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Quote from: Accardo on June 19, 2024, 04:45:24 PM

Quote from: Onyeeze on June 19, 2024, 03:25:14 PM

I want to correct a little thing, people doesn't gamble because the inflation in their country or hardship in their environment, one thing I know very well is that, gambling have to do with desperation and engagement, if you are not a gambler a hardship can't push you into gambling, it's because you know what's gambling and that's what makes you to gamble more, another thing I understand in gambling is that you have to know the importance of gambling and also the risk that is involved on it, because ordinarily people love gambling and some people misunderstood it and take gambling as source of income and that's why you feel that we are getting more numbers of people in gambling if inflation in some countries persist

Misconception which you wrote about is a result of lack of genuine information and knowledge about gambling before joining the niche. On the venture to decrease addiction rate, gamblers are meant to be advised on the importance of gambling. And, also, what they could learn through the game. Gambling has never been a negative activity all through. The problem has to do with the player's mind set. They think gambling is an activity that could ruin their financial life, that's why it ends up ruining their gambling journey on the long run. So, it's actually a nice point referring to gamblers as people who should focus more on being educated about what they're about to go into.

Do you know that many people who is into gambling today have different motive of been in gambling and that's why have being emphasizing on education and also know the advantages and disadvantages of gambling before we go into gambling, what I know very well that associated in gambling and makes to be more interested in gambling is because they think that gambling is the easiest way of making money, so it high time to brief people and educate them the procedures of gambling before they developed another mindset and it failed them, for me gamble needs someone to understand it before you join. This is something I have being lamenting on.

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Quote from: iBaba on June 19, 2024, 04:58:59 PM

This is a kind of bait idea or situation where the gambling sites leave you with so much hope and aspirations of wanting to come back and win every day. This is the reason why I'm mostly scared of the gambling sites and games as an entirety as they can bait you to the point that you will be addicted to gambling with them. I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and will only stake little funds with the intention of winning big and at the end of the day, the ticket will get cut for only a single game of the whole stakes. Psychologically, he's tempted to play the more while he loses perpetually.

When you get addicted to gambling right away, that is really worrying because it means that you are controlled by gambling, and your behavior will be different because the gambling of a gambler in that situation has a positive effect on gambling.

As you mentioned, it becomes their hope, which is not the truth; instead, they fall more and more into wasting money and time, and what's worse is getting into debt eventually, which is not unlikely to happen and sometimes even leads to violence or crime and the destruction of relationships with family and friends.

It is concerning but it is really a possible thing to happen when a novice gambler has a very high interest and obsession with winning at gambling, and usually they come for a reason, such as having financial problems in their lives that make them feel depressed, and usually when someone is in a depressed situation it is very possible for them to justify all means in order to get money, one of which is by putting high hopes and trust in gambling, and their expectations can be even higher when they see or hear other people, especially those closest to them who managed to win big.

In the end, for the problem of impact, yes, as you said above, all unwanted bad possibilities will definitely occur, losing balance in the financial situation is something that will definitely happen or other impacts, which is due to waste in terms of spending money on an activity that should not be prioritized.

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Quote from: synchronym on June 16, 2024, 02:54:16 AM

You are right I agree with you most of the parents give phone tab laptop etc to keep kids busy which is harmful for kids. Most of the kids are so addicted to this phone that they almost forget about sports when they go out. Always busy with the phone thus looking at the phone sometimes causes so much trouble to their eyes that they have to wear glasses at a young age. We must draw the attention of our parents to this matter. If not, our future generations will be under threat. What happens to most of the parents is that both the parents are busy with work and cannot give proper time to the child, then the child is given a phone or a tab to pretend to play. busy with Thinking about our future generation, we should refrain from giving phones to children so that their future develops well and eye problems do not arise at a young age.

Yes, in fact with my 2 year old daughter, sometimes her mother leaves her on the phone for 1 or 2 hours and at night sometimes the girl starts to dream maybe that she is on the phone because she makes her fingers as if she were watching those videos, so I don't like it, lately things have been different, we have made her do other activities, play more with toys, even with pets, run, play with the ball, all of this helps her, share with others, all of this is very good for them, so that they have a normal and healthy childhood, I always advocate for them to be as far away from electronic devices as possible.

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Quote from: Wakate on June 19, 2024, 05:11:26 PM

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It's because they are focus on what they're doing and not giving attention to those people around. In this state, the gambler is already addicted or bound to be one. That's why it's really crucial to gamble in moderation and don't let gambling affect you negatively to the point you don't care anymore to what's going on outside gambling. Though it's not right, many gamblers are still becoming addicted despite the reminders since they're motivated to gain huge.

Gambling can be very addictive but we have to put it in moderator for us to stay safe so we don't have to later complain of not getting results. People are really making money in gambling and there are some that can not keep the money because they don't have the self discipline to stay little or reduce the way they are gambling. We can still make money if we know what we are doing and how we can balance things in a way that would be very profitable for us. It is good we are always motivating ourselves so that we don't have to end up with the wrong part when we gamble for the sake of making money.

Yes, simply put, gambling is a place that provides the opportunity to win but also has a significant risk impact, or in the sense that you can earn money but you can also lose large amounts of money. It's all up to you and depends on you, if for example you can manage your bankroll well and have good discipline then maybe you will remain in a balanced situation, in the sense of getting a little money from gambling but not experiencing the negative impact of losing a significant amount.

However and forever, gambling will always be a risky activity and the risk problem depends on how you manage and control your gambling activities, and apart from that, a gambler is also advised to have good responsibility in himself to minimize the possibility of emotions occurring when in a situation. A loss where this responsibility must also be helped with other things to make it easier to implement, such as risking a small amount that you are ready to lose. This means that any activity will not cause big problems if we do it correctly and according to our abilities

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Quote from: Reatim on June 18, 2024, 12:28:10 AM

That is if they will let you enter their life .

Because like my family and relatives and friends ? they kept distance each time everyone enters stupidity in life .

and with that I think they will never give me consent about gambling site.

I also think that way. I believe that the only people who will be directly affected by my gambling are my direct family members which are my spouse and children, no one other than them should get in any way affected by me being a gambler or gambling. My direct family would be affected by my gambling life if I'm doing it excessively spending a lot of time and money on it and not giving much attention to my personal life and family.

I don't see any reason for my relatives to get affected by my gambling life unless I'm a gambling addict and I go to them and ask for loans and stuff so that I can gamble with it and then don't return the money on time, other than that, nothing should affect them no matter what I'm doing in my life.

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Quote from: Gaza13 on June 18, 2024, 09:36:05 AM

In my opinion, the possibility of getting rid of addiction will always be a possibility in cases like this, this goes back to each individual. Usually, people who come back to play want to catch up on their losses from gambling and are not yet able to give up the money they lost in their gambling game. Indeed, the impact of gambling is very large, in cases like this they can do anything without thinking about the impact on themselves. There is a big possibility that criminal cases will definitely increase and have the biggest impact and more and more people will do it. Yes, don't borrow money from your relatives, in my opinion this is a much better thing, if you borrow, of course this will be a burden for you in the future.

This is a kind of bait idea or situation where the gambling sites leave you with so much hope and aspirations of wanting to come back and win every day. This is the reason why I'm mostly scared of the gambling sites and games as an entirety as they can bait you to the point that you will be addicted to gambling with them. I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and will only stake little funds with the intention of winning big and at the end of the day, the ticket will get cut for only a single game of the whole stakes. Psychologically, he's tempted to play the more while he loses perpetually.

When you get addicted to gambling right away, that is really worrying because it means that you are controlled by gambling, and your behavior will be different because the gambling of a gambler in that situation has a positive effect on gambling.

As you mentioned, it becomes their hope, which is not the truth; instead, they fall more and more into wasting money and time, and what's worse is getting into debt eventually, which is not unlikely to happen and sometimes even leads to violence or crime and the destruction of relationships with family and friends.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 19, 2024, 07:06:42 AM

Very unfortunate that gamblers don't see the negative impact of their gambling addiction. These gamblers don't wonder why some of their relatives hate them and have no close friends anymore because of their changing behavior.

It's because they are focus on what they're doing and not giving attention to those people around. In this state, the gambler is already addicted or bound to be one. That's why it's really crucial to gamble in moderation and don't let gambling affect you negatively to the point you don't care anymore to what's going on outside gambling. Though it's not right, many gamblers are still becoming addicted despite the reminders since they're motivated to gain huge.

Gambling can be very addictive but we have to put it in moderator for us to stay safe so we don't have to later complain of not getting results. People are really making money in gambling and there are some that can not keep the money because they don't have the self discipline to stay little or reduce the way they are gambling. We can still make money if we know what we are doing and how we can balance things in a way that would be very profitable for us. It is good we are always motivating ourselves so that we don't have to end up with the wrong part when we gamble for the sake of making money.

One bad effect of being addicted in gambling is that the very person who's addicted finds it difficult to believe his close relatives and friends who are trying to make him see reasons with his gambling addiction. I was once an addicted gambler who went to the most extreme part of gambling addiction but when I was told of my excesses then, I never believed the people that were trying to help me get out of gambling addiction. It was after I lost a very valuable asset because of my uncontrollable gambling engagements then that I came back to my full senses and decided to put an end to my gambling addiction.
My gambling addiction affected the lives of close relatives then as I would occasionally want to take their money without their consent to go and satisfy my addiction but after I stopped gambling and recovered from my addiction, I begged my family members to forgive me which they did forgive me

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Quote from: lienfaye on June 19, 2024, 07:59:58 AM

Quote from: mirakal on June 19, 2024, 07:06:42 AM

Very unfortunate that gamblers don't see the negative impact of their gambling addiction. These gamblers don't wonder why some of their relatives hate them and have no close friends anymore because of their changing behavior.

It's because they are focus on what they're doing and not giving attention to those people around. In this state, the gambler is already addicted or bound to be one. That's why it's really crucial to gamble in moderation and don't let gambling affect you negatively to the point you don't care anymore to what's going on outside gambling. Though it's not right, many gamblers are still becoming addicted despite the reminders since they're motivated to gain huge.

Gambling can be very addictive but we have to put it in moderator for us to stay safe so we don't have to later complain of not getting results. People are really making money in gambling and there are some that can not keep the money because they don't have the self discipline to stay little or reduce the way they are gambling. We can still make money if we know what we are doing and how we can balance things in a way that would be very profitable for us. It is good we are always motivating ourselves so that we don't have to end up with the wrong part when we gamble for the sake of making money.

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Quote from: Gaza13 on June 18, 2024, 09:36:05 AM

In my opinion, the possibility of getting rid of addiction will always be a possibility in cases like this, this goes back to each individual. Usually, people who come back to play want to catch up on their losses from gambling and are not yet able to give up the money they lost in their gambling game. Indeed, the impact of gambling is very large, in cases like this they can do anything without thinking about the impact on themselves. There is a big possibility that criminal cases will definitely increase and have the biggest impact and more and more people will do it. Yes, don't borrow money from your relatives, in my opinion this is a much better thing, if you borrow, of course this will be a burden for you in the future.

This is a kind of bait idea or situation where the gambling sites leave you with so much hope and aspirations of wanting to come back and win every day. This is the reason why I'm mostly scared of the gambling sites and games as an entirety as they can bait you to the point that you will be addicted to gambling with them. I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and will only stake little funds with the intention of winning big and at the end of the day, the ticket will get cut for only a single game of the whole stakes. Psychologically, he's tempted to play the more while he loses perpetually.

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Quote from: dansus021 on May 22, 2024, 01:03:58 AM

I just reply another thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5496956.140 Basically it discussed never borrowing money for gambling because it will end up in danger, and in your case, I believe the person is highly addicted and when people at this stage gambling life could affect your relatives lives. He need to get out of gambling first and start to build his life again. IMO

Gambling can have negative social effects in several ways. Although relations between relatives can be ruined only because of gambling. Especially if money is borrowed from relatives and if the money is not repaid on time then good relations between close relatives are destroyed just because of gambling money. Moreover, relatives are generally shy in society to identify gamblers and they always avoid a gambler. Moreover, a gambler does not want to have good relations with the family.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on June 19, 2024, 03:25:14 PM

I want to correct a little thing, people doesn't gamble because the inflation in their country or hardship in their environment, one thing I know very well is that, gambling have to do with desperation and engagement, if you are not a gambler a hardship can't push you into gambling, it's because you know what's gambling and that's what makes you to gamble more, another thing I understand in gambling is that you have to know the importance of gambling and also the risk that is involved on it, because ordinarily people love gambling and some people misunderstood it and take gambling as source of income and that's why you feel that we are getting more numbers of people in gambling if inflation in some countries persist

Misconception which you wrote about is a result of lack of genuine information and knowledge about gambling before joining the niche. On the venture to decrease addiction rate, gamblers are meant to be advised on the importance of gambling. And, also, what they could learn through the game. Gambling has never been a negative activity all through. The problem has to do with the player's mind set. They think gambling is an activity that could ruin their financial life, that's why it ends up ruining their gambling journey on the long run. So, it's actually a nice point referring to gamblers as people who should focus more on being educated about what they're about to go into.

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Quote from: Issa56 on June 19, 2024, 04:30:22 AM

When you have hope that you are going to win from gambling, then even when you are supposed to stop gambling, you won’t. Your hope will keep on pushing you that if you don’t stop gambling, you are going to win. If you are really desperate to win when you are gambling, then you are likely going to get addicted to gambling at y he end. I agree that some people are gambling for the sake of money, they are just pretending they are gambling for fun, but I will tell you that some people do say that they are gambling for fun, and they are really gambling for fun. Because you are gambling for the sake of money doesn’t mean there are not people gambling just because they want to have fun.

The whole problem of gambling always starts from that first win immediately they win they feel they have found a way for them to make money and they won't care to know if they should manage how they gamble not all they want is to gamble and if they don't win they gamble again and that is one of the mistakes that some of them make they gamble even when they are not supposed to be gambling, now that the economy is hard the number of people that are gambling have increased just because everybody is looking for a way to get cash, and people are no longer scared of addiction anymore, people want money and what they don't get is that even if you want to make money gambling is not something you should be taking as side hustle because you will just get wrecked that is what gambling do to a lot of people. and their are other ways that they can make money not only from gambling. gambling is fun but only when you are making money from it.

I want to correct a little thing, people doesn't gamble because the inflation in their country or hardship in their environment, one thing I know very well is that, gambling have to do with desperation and engagement, if you are not a gambler a hardship can't push you into gambling, it's because you know what's gambling and that's what makes you to gamble more, another thing I understand in gambling is that you have to know the importance of gambling and also the risk that is involved on it, because ordinarily people love gambling and some people misunderstood it and take gambling as source of income and that's why you feel that we are getting more numbers of people in gambling if inflation in some countries persist

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Quote from: mirakal on June 19, 2024, 07:06:42 AM

Very unfortunate that gamblers don't see the negative impact of their gambling addiction. These gamblers don't wonder why some of their relatives hate them and have no close friends anymore because of their changing behavior.

It's because they are focus on what they're doing and not giving attention to those people around. In this state, the gambler is already addicted or bound to be one. That's why it's really crucial to gamble in moderation and don't let gambling affect you negatively to the point you don't care anymore to what's going on outside gambling. Though it's not right, many gamblers are still becoming addicted despite the reminders since they're motivated to gain huge.

Greed is like an inbuilt feature in our mind, and it doesn't affect a gambler ones, it start gradually and if it occupies the mind of a gambler the gamble ends up becoming addicted. Greed starts true emotions, if you lose you think about your lose and it also makes you chase after your losses. There might be an amount of money a gambler will lose and he will not stop thinking of it.

Yes, everyone has greed in them and in fact the question of whether someone will apply greed in their gambling involvement or not depends on their perspective on gambling, if for example from the start they see gambling as a place to earn money, then it is clear when they succeed in winning at one of the sessions they do then they will most likely apply greed to pursue greater results.

And also yes, the impact of greed will be able to trigger significant emotions and regret, because of course the goal of greed is to get something greater, meaning there is hope behind it and when that hope is not realized then it is clear that emotion and resentment are things that they will definitely feel it, and yes, this greed can also trigger actions to chase losses. Therefore, this is why mistakes are always prohibited actions in gambling because they can lead someone to a worse impact on their financial situation as well as their mental and psychological situation.

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