Topic: you're making bitcoin complicated (Read 1300 times)

Bitcoin is no  available to many people even now, especially buying. Many people are already thinking that they could have taken the opportunity to work with bitcoin before. But also bitcoin is still becoming popular and the number of bitcoin whales is increasing. What happens if a large number of new users with opportunities become interested in bitcoins?

I don't think that's completely right since it all differs from one person to another. I usually don't say the things you mentioned but follow a different approach.
It's just a matter of perspective.

I generally advice for paper wallets since they are easy to use and are safer than web wallets and I was really fascinated when I used it for the first time.

Earning money is tough. Earning bitcoin is tough as well. Faucets are great for newbies but it requires more time to collect bitcoin through faucets and be able to withdraw them so I don't recommend that. I generally advice the person to showcase their skill and tell them to receive the payment in bitcoin.

I say the person that the ability to control your money by yourself is most good thing about bitcoin. You don't have to ask the banks to approve your transaction.
You don't have to ask the banks to withdraw your own money. You can do transactions all by yourself (provided the transaction is btc to btc).

People may not still understand coinbase if they don't know the use of bitcoin at all, some were just too lazy or already set their mind in their beliefs about bitcoin, like how other uses it in doing scam that makes other lose interest. Only those who are willing to learn and is looking for change in transactions, investments and finding alternatives will appreciate crypto especiall BTC. Time will come that it will be too popular and many will just regret not starting using it the first time they heard it.

I think that people simply are not really understanding what this market is about, every time you try a new skill there is going to be a learning curve, it is as if people are expecting that bitcoin is going to work exactly as their debit card works and that is never going to happen, this market works under different principles and people must learn them and adapt to them, online wallets can be practical but only if you have a very low amount of money that you have no problem losing in the case you are hacked but should never be used to store large quantities of money or you are putting all of that money at risk that can be taken away by hackers or scammers on the blink of an eye.

bitcoin is still compllicated to avg user.  I mean unless you keep btc in say coinbase, imagine asking a person not tech savy to use electrum or a hardware wallet.  I mean its not that hard... but not as easy as coinbase. 

This depends on how you breed your children mate,because if you bring them with good manner and more appreciative then they will accept accept the dressed or things i stopped using.

answering the question directly is much better than telling them in the manner that they cant understand or harder for them to analyze .

like me?i wanted an answer straight to the point and not the answer that i need to dig deeper before getting the point.

When your younger sibling asks for a new dress, you can either buy them a new one or give them a hand-me-down. You don't give them a dress you stopped using when you realized they might regret using it someday. So, I think I understand why some bitcoin experts immediately offer the more complicated solutions right off the bat when asked about wallets or anything bitcoin. They do it not to make things complicated but out of care.  

A beginner can still use google to get information if he only asks simple questions like OP. Here we all need a process and so does a beginner. I don't think these people have made beginner feel complicated to get started with bitcoin as the answer given are exactly what beginner need.
So far I haven't listened to complaint from newbies that they are annoyed by answers provided by experienced contributors. I think all forum contributor have the best intention to teach as many beginners as possible, and beginner still need some effort and interest. There's nothing wrong with the answer and I don't take it as complicated as you think.

Since this is a forum, I doubt that all of those replies have the same complex answers. That's the reason why we need to discuss a specific thing and he can ask again if he's still confused, and that how the discussion will work on this platform. People have different answers and experience of using bitcoin and for sure that there are complex and basic replies on someone's thread.

Bitcoin users don't make things complicated because they're always suggesting what's better for them unless the OP addresses some condition that won't be able to provide the suggestion.
In this community, users are already assuming that they're here because of money and I guess newbie knows bitcoin as an asset. Therefore, it's obviously can't be achieved by simple things unless they risk their time and effort claiming free BTC without any idea if it's legit or not. Those simple questions can be search in google but if he/she asked it on this forum, therefore he's looking a way to earn here in this platform.

Signature campaigns are not really a way to make bitcoin. Instead, it is a way to support altcoins and gain some in return instead of investing. It should be seen rather as a supportive investment than a method of making bitcoin. It's better to work online if you plan on making bitcoin. There many options available it's up to you.

For the topic as a whole, it highlights the pitfalls that generally come with new users having preconceived ideas about how it should all work.  It's important to keep an open mind, as it helps when you're trying to understand the differences between Bitcoin and traditional payment methods that you might be more accustomed to.  There's normally a very good reason behind why we do things a bit differently in crypto and, for newer users, it's not always immediately clear what those reasons are until you really start to understand how it all works. 

It's certainly possible to fall back on old habits and try to treat Bitcoin in the same way you would handle your traditional banking and savings, but there are notable risks in doing that once you've realised that you aren't afforded the same consumer protections here.  It might seem easier to do what you've always done before.  But it's generally safer to learn some new habits and do things the right way.

As for the discussion around earning through bounty campaigns, please try to keep in mind that while some opportunities are there right now, don't expect that to always be the case.  Many of these bounties may well end up the same way as faucets at some point in future, meaning they may prove not to be worth the time and effort you need to invest over the long term.  Due to supply and demand, it's not realistic to believe the current payment rates will continue forever.  As competition increases and more people are trying to take part, it's only natural that people looking to advertise their service can get away with paying smaller amounts because they know some people will still be prepared to do the same work for less reward.  There's also going to reach a point of saturation where they simply don't need more participants for their campaign.  Consider yourselves warned, if you're going around telling everyone they can easily make money doing this, some of them are going to end up disappointed and might hold you responsible for offering bad advice.

Even they were a newbie they can still participate though. They might not able to eligible in a signature campaign but there's have twitter campaign, Facebook campaign, telegram, youtube, and more.
Even if you have a newbie account you could still use it to apply on those said type of campaign. And if you have other sets of skills like programming and such then you could post in the Service board and sell your service.
There's a lot of ways to earn even if you were just a newbie all you need to do is to explore all the board in this forum.

Maybe we could make them interested in Bitcoin?


Concerning your main post:
I think I would only recommend webwallets newbies can safely use without sacrificing their fund's safety, self-custody right, privacy/anonymity, trustlessness/permissionless, etc. I wonder how many web wallets can offer those ^.



Informing them about the importance of having true privacy while they use Bitcoin would be necessary.    In regards to Anonymity, i don't think it's really wise to attach your real name to the funds or assets in your public addresses, on a public network. I think that's part of reasons it'd be important to inform them about the anonimity feature of Bitcoin... or wallets could just guarantee the anonymity by default so we don't bother too much telling them about the feature until maybe they're grown in this space.

I think there should be ways to simplify things without omitting those important features of Bitcoin

Bitcoin is not difficult to understand, it just need some effort for them to learn about it. They will need much of patience in learning or ask someone who know more about it.

If you are a newbie, you would need the most secured wallet possible because chances of getting scammed are high.
Why would you entrust your Bitcoin to a wallet that is being held by a company itself. Web Wallet?? Just teach the newbie how to use hardware wallet in the simplest way instead of letting them store to a wallet where it isn't trusted. They always say, not your keys not  your coins.

I'm against the people who are saying that Signature campaign is the only way to earn Bitcoin.
Instead of teaching them that way, I'd rather let them know the basics of Bitcoin first until they will know how to earn it themselves. Faucets?? They are a complete waste of time. Your time isn't worth it if you are doing faucets unless you opened maybe 100 sites and doing it simultaneously.

Basics.
Just teach them the basics of it and let them do the rest. In my part, I learned the basics of it myself. I did some research and at least I know most of the basics of it. A newbie needs to do a research if they really want to learn and don't spoonfeed them.

If you are interested in cryptocurrency, you'll find a way to gain knowledge.

There are a lot of ways for you to gain knowledge since Bitcoin is not a new technology anymore. A lot of books that could explain well what it is, the more you are interested in these cryptocurrencies the deeper your interest is in this, and the more you are desperate to gain more things about it. It is not always this forum, there are a lot of other sources we can use.

Let's better put it this way, when a newbie first entered in a crypto currency world, she/he should not expect that everything here is so easy. Its not being so harsh or something, but a newbie needs to understand the kind of environment, features and risk that bitcoin have. So she/he will be ready/prepared to some difficult scenarios along the way. Its also best that a newbie will take much research and not just relying to someone to teach him/her. Personal research and constant reading about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies can help a lot for the crypto journey. For me, its better to struggle at first knowing all the difficult things here and learned from my mistakes, and become better as times goes on, reaping the fruit of my labor.

You may think that telling newbies about Bitcoin and this forum should be in a friendly-easy newbie. But remember to tell them the truth, tell them the safest and best ways to be in. They are newbies and need to tell the ways to become better I reaching or earning the BTC.

Well yeah, hardware wallet may be friendly-newbies, but doesn't mean that you are better to suggest web wallets. Hw if they got scammed or their BTC lost? Will you take the responsibility if they are asking for it?
You may not need to make them use a hardware wallet, but there is an electrum wallet to be better.

Tell them that there is no easy way to earn Bitcoin if you are newbies. You know, it is better to tell them about the signature campaign or other campaign. Will they be only newbies or they are better to learn and learn more? I think that better tot ell about the knowledge at first because they can start learning from the basics and try to make a good member here. Doing faucet is very wasting your time and you may not get much money for it. SO, I personally will not suggest this.

Sorry but this is not true, as people that have been in the market for a longer amount of time than a newbie we have the obligation to give the facts, if I was asked about the different wallets that exist I will without a doubt mention online wallets but I will not recommend them at all, and we all know the reasons why, not only you are trusting another entity with your private keys, the risk you get hacked with an online wallet grow up exponentially, in fact if you take the time to look at most of the hacks that are reported on the forum you will see in most cases people were using an online wallet so I cannot recommended them no matter how easy to use they could be.

It will really be on case to case basis and we do know that people does have different mindset and views in particular things that they do encounter.Some might get interested and some wont able to do so due to some factors that they are facing.

We can say that it isnt really that much complicated but the hardest thing to tell into someone is into those people who doesnt even know on what technology is or even the simpliest idea on how to deal with tech
specially on older people but since we are on a more hi-tech era then we can expect that there would be lots that who can easily catch up.

Telling them the basics might do but it will depend on how you do deliver or do explain up things to them.