Topic: you're making bitcoin complicated - page 5. (Read 1235 times)

Newbies are really confused when they are asking in btt forum but there are still some replies and answers that is worth to spend reading and newbies are wise enough to choose which will be the best choice to pick for their own sake.
 And yeah, I somehow agree that most of the time, members are just complicating things.
 They should always learn the basic ones at first, from earning here in cryptocurrency space to basic trading and simple and secured crypto wallets.
 
 Though I believe newbies are wise enough today. There are tons of article or even such threads here in forum community that they can read  and explore. If they are eager to learn, they'll gonna make it to understand even into most complex ones.

To try and get first experience, they can use $10 to buy their first bitcoin. There are many exchanges, platforms to buy first bitcoin.

https://www.bestchange.com/ (many payment methods and exchanges with rates are available and filter for you to choose best exchanges)
Help: A list of LocalBitcoin alternatives (P2P marketplaces)
[BIG LIST] Buy/Sell Crypto (OTC, P2P, DEXs, CEXs, NO-KYC, ATMs, etc.)
P2P marketplaces and Bitcoin ATMs can give newbies convenience.

The Gold marketplace with Digital gold (backed by physical gold in vault) can help you to sell or convert your BTC to ETH or GOLD token.

If newbie want to trade on the forum, please being careful with newbies and notice on their trust score, trust feedback and some data on their profiles. Password changed / Woke up recently. Good signals to know potential scammers. Woke-up or hacked accounts should not be trusted.

Honestly, ease of use is almost always taken into account when someone answers questions about wallets here... That's just my view of course. But if security comes in question, then of course it's also good to make mention of hardware wallets. Newbies need to at least know their options before they can decide.

Pointing new Bitcoin users to faucets from day 1 is a completely wrong approach.The newbies will waste their time earning a few hundred satoshis,which is nothing.
I can't agree about the other assumptions in your post.I've never promoted hardware wallets to Bitcoin newbies.If you are a Bitcoin newbie and you don't plan to buy lots of Bitcoin,having a hardware wallet is pointless.
Bitcoin newbies usually don't care about BTC anonymity,they just want to make some money,but making money online is not easy.It doesn't matter if it's in the crypto world or the fiat digital world.
Misleading a newbie into thinking that making money with Bitcoin/cryptocurrencies is easier than all the other online money making methods is completely wrong.

maybe if you don't want to teach you can also do the easiest thing is to ask for an explanation that is more likely to hit the forum according to the country. because usually what is crucial like this the explanation from the country forum is more understandable and trustworthy.

trying to come up with an explanation is a good thing to do, or at least trying it out for yourself at a small face value and being able to figure out which one is the best.

Different people answer other people's questions about Bitcoin differently. And different people asking about Bitcoin take other people's answers differently as well. To claim that we are making it complicated to say this and that may not be entirely accurate. It can be complicated for some, but it can also be a life-saver for others, especially when they get an answer or explanation that teaches them a secure option, such as a hardware wallet. I think a better way to put it is to mention both the basic and the complicated aspect of each information you are sharing. For instance, if someone asks you what the safest wallet is, invest a little more time to show at least three options and their pros and cons.     

Why not teach them both, the problem here is that there is always a "Make Your Choice" moments, we could teach them both the advantages and disadvantages of both wallets for example and let them decide what to choose from, yes, there will be regrets but it is up to the newbie if they are willing to continue forward or not.

It's naturally best to recommend what is best to use when being asked tbh. Besides that, when someone asks questions, there are a lot of answers which yes, mostly are hardware wallets, but some also introduce exchange wallets or online wallets, though it may get buried in the numerous amount of posts. Up to the OP to actually find them though.

Faucets are a waste of time, teaching them to others seems like a stupid decision. Faucets take more than 1 year for you to actually earn anything substantial as well as more than that for you to actually withdraw them, so how can they even test it out? Signature campaigns on the other hand, require time but is rather easier though tbh, it's better for them to know about it themselves, as well as to know that to earn BTC, the best way would be to buy them in an online exchange.

This is killing the essence of what Bitcoin is though? Why would you avoid one of its features because someone can't understand it? There's nothing to avoid in introducing BTC as anonymous, and if they misunderstood, then that's their problem imo. If they asked why and how anonymity would help, then that's good, but if not, then that's that.

Yes, nothing is safe, BUT remember that on online wallets, when the system gets hacked, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING. You "THINK" you have control over your funds, but no, you're technically leaving it to someones hands and just getting it from them when you need it. If that someone get's robbed (Online hack), can you do something about it? No, because it's not YOU that holds the wallet, it's that someone. On the other hand, with hardware wallets, it's YOU that's holding the coins, if they ever rob you, you can do something about it.

Fair enough, I haven't hung around bitcointalk much (obviously, judging from my accounts age), but I'm just basing this on the community at large. Twitter? That's toxic, especially for new people. Just look at the JK Rowling tweet and response, no one was actually taking her seriously, or were offering very outlandish metaphors (Not to say that Rowling isn't an idiot to begin with). Now yes, that was a celebrity, and a shitty one at that, but I see it all too often. Also see it on Reddit too. People think they're being helpful, but end up sounding snobbish.

As I said though, I'm too new around these particular parts to offer an opinion about here though

It is not making bitcoin complicated if we are suggesting a hardware when a newbie asks for a good wallet. Yes, it's not free because it's security is better than the web wallets. We are telling the truth about hardware wallets because they are even better.

You forgot that there were several hacks that happened with web wallets and newbies became a victim of phishing links copying those web wallets. They are newbie and they are prone to that and as part of security measures, hardware wallets are better.

Not only on several sites but also there are Youtube videos which are really not that complicated or complex for a noob to understand rather than explaining verbally yet you can introduce them to see those videos and
it is much more understable imho.

In my years in crypto when someone do ask me out then i do just give out some video links that do explain the basic stuff and so far those people who have asked on me did really able to understand
and now they are already engaging themselves here on crypto space.

It doesnt really need for it to be complicated because its just normal for people to reject it once they do saw its hard to understand.

LOL of course people will suggest the safest one coz they are just a newbie, and also that would depend on the question if they want a free or paid wallet. Not newbie-friendly? how come is a hardware wallet is not a newbie-friendly?


That also depends on the question, if the newbie asks a way to gain bitcoin here in the forum then people will suggests joining a campaign, social media campaigns accepts newbie account. And faucets, people are suggesting this since then.

It's part of bitcoin to be pseudonymous and not anonymous, and as for a newbie they should already know that basic definition of bitcoin.
If you're a newbie and asks why do you need to be anonymous online, I'll just ignore you.

for the newbie,they dont need to be afaid in kyc and  I don't think the account block will happen as long as they don't do fraud.
in my opinion all wallet is not safe it just depend how you use it

But in my own perspective Newbie is not someone who have a lot of coin. they are someone who is just starting in bitcoin and want to try it
and if ever they plan to invest on it i think they will do and make they own research.

if I'm a newbie and just starting to learn bitcoin i will ask dollar instead if i do online job or sell goods and service.what i saying in faucet is for them to test it first as of now no one will send you bitcoin just to try it and if I'm the newbie who is not sure about bitcoin i will not also buy it.

all wallet is not really safe https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-may-know-who-is-behind-the-1-400-btc-electrum-wallet-hack
its all depend how you use the wallet

well we cant say that it is our responsibility to teach them because we are the one who know more about bitcoin
its their responsibility to learn bitcoin if they want to use it i just want newbie to learn bitcoin in simplest way

in my opinion web wallet is safe depend how you use it
i use blockchain for a few years but never experience any problem

as i earn more i also see that faucet is useless but if i look more on it. when i still doing faucet way back on the past few years at that time it is also useless it take a month or more for me to earn some bitcoin which is only a few hundred dollars but i keep doing it because it is free and i have the idea that it will worth it someday instead or watching or reading something in social media while discovering more about bitcoin but if you look at the price of what i earn in faucet in a few months before its more than ten thousand of dollar today.

in my opinion bitcoin is not totally anonymous and decentralized it depends how you use it
and if you will teach it to newbie it will make it more complicated
only those who want to take advantage about it will be interested

if your using hard wallet it its good for you because you have some bitcoin to store
but what I'm talking about is newbies point of view
newbies is those people who is starting to learn bitcoin why do they need hardware wallet as if they have bitcoin to store
in my opinion almost all the newbies is only having a small amount of bitcoin some of the don't have any
they just want to test it, make transaction , withdraw some or buy small amount.

I don't necessarily agree with bitcoin be viewed as only money. I find little reason to not view it as gold and where hoarding it does make sense. Both uses as a store of value as well as money are very possible.

This is entirely dependent on who you ask.

Most of the time, veterans and old users here in the forum are pretty straightforward in giving answers that a newbie seeks for and really needs. Most suggests alternatives that are really useful, and not some shilled services for their own benefit. Perhaps I'm being biased around here, knowing that I've been here for 6 years, but point still stands: we simplify things for the newbs in order for them to get a footing and not get their minds confused and not the other way around that you're trying to say.

Also, there are tons of guides for newbies here in this forum, and even in bitcoin.org which is the main website one must check if they are pretty new to the community. I just don't see any problem in here, or perhaps I haven't encountered one that you're saying yet.

I've never seen anyone say "keep your Bitcoin on Coinbase." But keeping it on web wallets or app wallets isn't bad advice. The newbie isn't going to be likely doing enough to concern themselves with the increased security of a hardware wallet. Obviously they are more secure, but its about ease s security. Most new users would be fine with that.

I agree with the OP, there is a problem in the Bitcoin community with onboarding new users (one of the only good places I've seen this is r/BitcoinBeginners). The average person doesn't want to hear about overtly technical stuff, or long discussions about anonymity and security. They want to know the basics of Bitcoin, they want to know why they should get involved, and the very basic approach to do that.

Bitcoin isn't easy to understand and it all depends on what the person is trying to accomplish.  If they are simply looking to purchase something using bitcoin then setting up a Coinbase account/wallet would be fine.  If they are actually trying to learn about bitcoin and how it works, as well as use proper practices, then they need to learn things like how to use a hardware wallet ( which is NOT difficult to use) as well as the fact that bitcoin is NOT anonymous. 

I simply can't agree with your findings here at all.  I think you're off base with how you're trying to approach these things.  Stop being lazy is my answer to much of this. Educate yourself so that you know how to do things properly.

In regards to anonymity/privacy, it's  necessary to let them know that it's one of the important features of Bitcoin, so they don't become careless like many people are on regular internet. It's a very important feature that makes Bitcoin network secure, just like decentralization, transparency, immutablity, censorship resistant, permissionless/trustlessness, deflation etc. They should be gradually taught these things, for the good of the network.

i get that you think you are simplifying things but in reality you are replacing good advice with bad advice. for example the worst one in my experience is telling a newbie to use a web wallet, specially the custodial ones such as coinbase. if they were to use these types then they shouldn't even use bitcoin in first place.
you see when someone with more experience is giving advice to newbies, they are giving good advice even if at first sight it looks to be more complicated.

If a person just wants to use Bitcoin, then there's no need to dive into the issues of how Blockchain works and stuff like that. As for wallets, buying it when you're just getting to know Bitcoin doesn't make sense, but Electrum is a fine wallet which is free to use and quite safe. Apart from this, a newbie should be informed about scams and how to stay protected as well as common mistakes like making the fee too low or sending BTC to an LTC address or something like this. Regarding anonymity, it's important to point out that Bitcoin does not guarantee full anonymity and was never meant to guarantee it. And speaking of whether Bitcoin is good or bad, I'd say it's neutral itself, but can be used for various purposes (just like other forms of money).