Topic: you're making bitcoin complicated - page 4. (Read 1300 times)

I think you could spare them some explanation.

Yes it is not newbie-friendly, but you could answer their answers, right? What is wrong with that? Some of us, maybe most of us here even learned what is Bitcoin and how to use it by themselves proving if you really wanted to use it, you could learn as you go. I guess what should be taught to these newbies is how they would earn it. Local exchanges here in our country is easy to use, I know it would not be their bitcoins since you are not holding any private keys but they could start by converting their fiat into cryptocurrency.

There are beginners who want to learn about Bitcoin and skip some basics. Because they want to go fast to trade on global or P2P exchanges. I confess that this happened to me in my first experience with Bitcoin.
Fortunately, as I am self-taught, I have managed my bitcoins and cryptocurrencies safely.
Ideally, they can continue learning every day so that they can use the safest methods to store their bitcoins.

This OP is rather twisted, and not what a regular user of bitcoin will tell a newbie.


As others have said so well, a web wallet is not what a new user should be using.  The first thing to teach is always: "Not your keys, not your coins" ... If you aren't holding your coins, you risk losing them.


Also poor advice, and not what a regular user of bitcoin would say.  Any regular job is better than a signature campaign.



"anonymous if im not planning to do bad things."

This was the worst line in the OP, since it is what is usually spoken by those that wish to promote subjugation, or autocracy.   As we can currently see spreading around the world, it is better to avoid such paths.  This is the opposite of the whole point of bitcoin.



This was the only sane point in the OP.

Or, maybe, the OP was just so poor so as to rile people to post a response, and it wasn't meant to be serious.

There are pretty good resources on how to get started in Bitcoin in the web, and its pretty detailed with lots of information for a newbie to understand quick and easy. I started from there myself. Even youtube has lots of Crypto influencer that guides newbie step by step, you can even find local tutorials from your country in Youtube. I understand information much quickly to a video and verbally, maybe newbies could do it as well.

beginners do not understand bitcoin they are likely to be tricked if they do not study bitcoin seriously.
before plunging into the world of crypto for beginners to learn bitcoin properly.

I think you are misunderstanding Bitcoin users who are giving advice to newbies. They don't make Bitcoin complicated,
but the fact is that the world of Bitcoin is complicated, not as easy as imagined. Lots of newbies are victims of scammers,
if you don't follow Bitcoin users advice. Trust me Bitcoin users from the start only want to provide the best for newbies,
didn't intend making Bitcoin become complicated.

I understand what you feel and you've been disappointed. But the reality is that crypto investment will no longer be a newbie-friendly. Why old users emphasize only the best one because they don't want to lead newcomers to be in trouble and much disappointing to see. They already have a bad experience in the past and they don't want others to experience the same. Maybe it is wrong of not telling why because we also need to know the consequences.

if we need to secure our funds and saves us from becoming a victim to scamming and lose control of our funds, better to listen to old users.

The only problem these days is with people who jumps in into bitcoin because of the potential money they can gain from it, I'm pretty sure most of newbies in here only heard about it because of what happen in 2017 and because of the bitcoin's price, when in fact they don't know a single thing about it, not even how it really works. This problem has been there for like years now, we are getting the same question every week. It is very strange how people be coming here without anything on their mind. Read and read, and read!

  If some of you guys isn't fond of reading, you can visit youtube for video visuals which is more easier than reading texts in article or blogs.
There is a study says that watching tutorial videos is more effective for 70% of people in the world, and it is pretty accessible because of the internet.

Your strategies are too much effort to implement. If you had 5 people asking you about what BTC was then you'd spend ~20 mins per person explaining the same thing, and the way you said you might just show them how to make small money via faucets etc is only going to cost you your time for probably not much in return.

I have no problem with you doing that from the goodness of your heart, I'm just saying it isn't practical on the long run or something others would consider taking on.

The best way to learn about BTC or anything in general is to have enough curiosity and if that's lacking then there's little you can do to help other learn something they're vaguely interested in. Like the old saying ' where there's a will there's a way'.

And if you ask me what I'd say to people who come to me asking about advice regarding crypto I'd most likely guide them to online resources where they can learn and take away the messages they care about, if they wish so.

Also, this way there's no throwing around the blame that if it wasn't for you I would have still had my x amount of money type conversation.

that's good advice for beginners because they don't understand about bitcoin further so they will ask people who first played bitcoin or use bitcoin so they can understand bitcoin more broadly and be careful in choosing a wallet or converting shares in bitcoin because if they It's their fault that they lose their assets and their money so they have to choose a wallet that is strong or that no one else can hack

this is strange, because in my opinion when a person enters the investment world that person is obliged to do a lot of research on the investment that he wants to make, and in this a lot of research the person will find hundreds of explanations that some may be difficult and others easy that in the end the person will end up understanding how bitcoin works, today there is youtube that despite being full of people who only post videos to gain views there are still people who post good content and easy to understand

A good analogy is learning to ride a bike as a kid. Did you start with training wheels? Well start new Bitcoin users with training wheels. When they learn how to "ride," they'll start seeing the other important stuff.   

The reason why it seems complicated to explain to a newbie is that you might not understand how much knowledge the individual knows about bitcoin. From experience, most newbies are interested in a bitcoin wallet, how to trade (include buying with fiat) and where to store them. This is the reason I prefer suggesting a more simpler ways rather than some complex answers. For instance, I will never suggest a DEX wallet for a newbie but rather CEX so incase in carelessly forget information about the wallet, he/she could easily retrieved it. As time past by, they will understand some other types of wallet and their usage. But first, they only need to start make use of the basic one.

Hi!
I think I understand the point ... but it is easier to start doing it than to start saying it, that is, have execution, how many new users can he say "he helped me" and by him I understand bitcoin.
Don't expect others to do things according to your criteria, you just need to know that you are doing it right.

We as individuals must seek good information and know who really helps us and who doesn't.

This is an Forum where most are adults  and we cannot be a kindergarten school. Individually we must do our part to learn what we do not know.

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Please, it's good to use the "!!" rule in a title like that. / this is not a grammar school, but in this case it is necessary. 

You are continuing to give out bad advice.

Everyone should be afraid of KYC every time you have to complete it. You are sending everything required to completely steal your identity over the internet to an anonymous bunch of strangers. Identity theft can do more damage to you than someone emptying your bank account, and you can be left with life long implications, poor credit, debt, even criminal charges.

Saying "all wallets are not safe" is equally poor advice. Sure, there is no such thing as a 100% secure wallet, but that does not make the security of an encrypted airgapped cold storage wallet equal to that of a third party custodial web wallet.

There is a big difference between making things simple and oversimplifying things so much as to be dangerous.

Some newbies are really easy to trust someone because they think that it will help really help them accomplish or achieve something. Most of that scamming scenarios happened to those newbies who think that someone will help them earn profit when in reality they will just get their money. Anonymity and privacy should be always prioritize and kept in mind so that you will not have a hard time losing your money instantly. Newbies are suffering when they engaged with these fake schemes that can fool their account out. If you're a newbie and you want to become aware with this situations, try to visit "Beginners & Help"

Web wallets are easy to access by those hackers so it is really risky to use them. I settled with using hardware wallets because it is much safer for me and much worth it to store my asset there. I'm comfortable in using it and if I lost my bitcoin with my hardware wallet, it is completely my fault that's why we should always be careful and mindful with it.


It is not that bad to ask and seek help to those people who are more knowledgeable and experienced here in this forum.

But i'm hoping that in every newbie and every knowledge that they acquire, they should also share it to other newbies like them to prevent having a repeated questions.

Everyone has a smartphone nowadays, when they ask you what Bitcoin wallet to use, tell them to use MYCELIUM, it is available for Android and Apple phones.
I vouch for Mycelium but if you know of a better/safer smartphone wallet app, advise them to use that.

Just tell them to make a backup of the wallet and keep it in a safe place just in case they lose their phone.

They don't have to earn Bitcoin, they can always buy Bitcoin with their fiat money for testing, investing, or transactional purposes.

I'm a newby so I think I can give my opinion based on my personal experience. And yes! Bitcoin is extremely complicated for a newby, a friend of mine who knows I'm invested in Bitcoin was interested on it and I had to warn him that he'll have to spend hours selftraining and cross a long process to join.

I agree that on the internet we have all the needed information. But you have to search, to analyze, to filter the trash from the real good stuff. There's a lot of both. Finally you can understand what it is and where you are entering... But it is complicated. Your time must be invested.

I disagree that bitcoin is just another coin. For me, as a newby, it is not. It's just an asset like gold. What can I buy with bitcoins that I couldn't buy with euros? Nothing. Yeah, I know that now I could buy porn. Well, that's not enough, frankly. Maybe on a near future will be just another coin, but today it is not, nobody uses it. Sorry, it's the way it is.

Anonimity, blockchain, etc. I don't care!! Same as I don't care about the chemical structure of gold. You can invest on gold without knowing its unique physical properties, or how many tons of gold are there on earth...

Bitcoin is complicated and delicated because it's dangerous. A lot of scammer and charlatans hounding. It's like swimming in a pool of sharks. Careful with the wallets!, what do you download and where!, exchanges legit!, etc.

It would ease the process to improve the user interface and security. Something like having a centralized (taboo word I know) organization on bitcoin that could certify APP's, or Exchanges or transactions or whatever. For instance, some of the first things I did was checking on bitcoin.org. Good or bad it was for me the reference point where I got my wallet (hardware wallet) and my exchange. Anything out of this "certifyed" institution would be a visible risk for new users. Something like buying by internet where you can know if the vendor website is a trusted company by... whoever

you got a good point on there but this applies to some but not to others because me to be honest  i dont explain btc or a crypto just like on your first example because that is already for advance users  . a newbie must learn from the verry begining  .  i do recomend them an online wallet , the most popular in our country and this wallet already gone thru several updates making it easier to understand for newcomers . i also recomend them faucet to earn for the first time , not this forum because of how rules changed here and its now strict on here to level up an account .